What would happen if we stopped Vaccinations....

Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm


great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm


great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines, like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

On Apr 8, 6:29 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
"JOHN" wrote in message

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines, like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince

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On Apr 8, 6:29 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
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wrote in message
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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince

No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

Jeff

On Apr 8, 3:31 pm, wrote:
Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm

It's sad we can't rely on CDC for an unbiased view of the medical
science supporting vaccine (what little there is.) That's because
executive governance at CDC is largely comprised of those with ties to
the drug makers. The truth is that vaccine has never been proven to
reduce mortality at a population level, and according to the McKinlay
study, only 3.5%, AT MOST, of the decline in infectious disease
mortality during most of the last century *might* be attributed to
vaccine. So even that tiny slice of possible benefit remains in
question. If the data in VAERS is even half right, vaccine is one of
the most dangerous medications in use today. I will never permit
myself to be vaccinated again.

PeterB

1. J.B. & McKinlay S.M. McKinlay. The Questionable Effect of Medical
Intervention in the Decline of Mortality in the United States in the
Twentieth Century. Milbank Memorial Fund Q. 1977; 55:405-28.

2. Public Health at the Crossroads: Achievements and Prospects, by
Robert Beaglehole and Ruth Bonita, pg 43.

On Apr 25, 6:52 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
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On Apr 8, 6:29 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
"JOHN" wrote in message

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wrote in message
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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince

No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US, Many times
they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate. A resent article in the Wall street
journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...&nfid=rssfeeds
Thanks Vince

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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US,

Most states have religious and/or philosophical exemptions for school entry.
They all have medical excemptions.

Many times
they are required to enter school .

Parents have the option of home schooling.

To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate.

No it isn't. There is no legal requirement to get vaccinated, and in most
states, religious and/or philosophical exemptions are available for school
entry.

A resent article in the Wall street
journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...&nfid=rssfeeds
Thanks Vince

Read the report carefully. 1/4 of the women in the study had preexisting
infections. This group is different than 12 year-olds, because a far fewer
proportion of 12 year olds have HPV infections.

In a group that is more like the 12 year old girls, with a lower rate of HPV
infections, 45% fewer women developed lesions.

So the vaccine is still effective. It is not 100% effective. No vaccine is.

Jeff

bigvince wrote:
On Apr 25, 6:52 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
"bigvince" wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 6:29 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
"JOHN" wrote in message
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Alot of people would die....
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm
great bit of propaganda
if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines
It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.
The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.
Your ignorance shines again, John.
Jeff
Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince
No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

Jeff- Hide quoted text -

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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US,

Absolutely incorrect. I assume that you know the meaning of "mandate"
and "forced".

Do take some time to actually prove "mandate" and "force" using real
world definitions.

A child whose parents want to take the risk of disease can home school
them and no one will force them to be vaccinated.

Of course, if parents do not want to do the work of home schooling, then
they have to play by the rules. Their unvaccinated children are at
greater risk of disease and place other, vaccinated children at risk. If
my kids were of the age of going to school, I would demand that no
unvaccinated child be allowed to attend. I play by the rules.

BTW, if you want to see what the consequences of not vaccinating a

http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=538

Lovely that a parent puts their child through this.

Many times
they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate.

Nope. It is accurate. Parents have a choice. Like I said above, if they
want to home school, they do not have to vaccinate.

A resent article in the Wall street
journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...&nfid=rssfeeds
Thanks Vince

Jeff wrote:
Cross posted eliminated
"bigvince" wrote in message
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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US,

Most states have religious and/or philosophical exemptions for school
entry. They all have medical excemptions.

Many times
they are required to enter school .

Parents have the option of home schooling.

To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate.

No it isn't. There is no legal requirement to get vaccinated, and in
most states, religious and/or philosophical exemptions are available for
school entry.

In those states that allow this form of child neglect, the unvaccinated
children are required to stay home during outbreaks.

Parents may consider this to be coercive, since they do not want to deal
with the consequences of their choices.


A resent article in the Wall street
journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...&nfid=rssfeeds

Thanks Vince

Read the report carefully. 1/4 of the women in the study had preexisting
infections. This group is different than 12 year-olds, because a far
fewer proportion of 12 year olds have HPV infections.

In a group that is more like the 12 year old girls, with a lower rate of
HPV infections, 45% fewer women developed lesions.

So the vaccine is still effective. It is not 100% effective. No vaccine is.

Jeff