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"JOHN" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message news:ZZdSh.11327$op4.4406@trnddc08... I would be very careful with anything John posts. The whaleto site clearly is written by someone who doesn't know or understand any medicine, vaccines or immunology. I don't know who writes it because he or she doesn't even put her name on it. I guess (s)he is too embarrassed. Can't blame her. http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html Jeff has been lying for here for at least 10 years, and he is losing his marbles as he now figures I have had a sex change. I don't know who writes the web site. The author's name is not on it. and you allopaths only have a basic understanding of the human newborn immune system http://www.whale.to/a/child.html. Which is far more than you have. If you knew anything you wouldn't have injected mercury into infants, just for starters You mean, doctors would let kids die of vaccine-preventable illness. You have yet to show that the tiny amount of thimerosal in vaccines has any negative effects. Have a lovely day. Jeff |
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"JOHN" wrote in message ... "Donna Metler" wrote in message . .. Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously ill. We haven't had chicken pox vaccine here, UK, but i can't recall it being a problem in any of the 7 schools my kids have been to. Before the vaccine, about 40 kids were killed each year and thousands hospitalized from chicken pox because of dehydration and secondary infection. I can't recall any kindegarten or pre school incident of it, or primary school. So hardly a problem So it's only a problem if you hear of it? I suspect the allopaths make a bigt song and dance about it after they brought out their vaccine for it. Actually, chicken pox was killing people before then. As I say here http://www.whale.to/a/chickenpox.html [They want to vaccinate every child with an unsafe and ineffective vaccine on the chance they will end up on immune destroying drugs for diseases such as asthma that they caused in the first place with other vaccines and drugs, while they turn a blind eye to life saving cures such as vitamin C, and the part poisons & nutrition play in suppressing the immune system.] Package insert: The following additional adverse reactions have been reported since the vaccine has been marketed: Anaphylaxis in individuals with or without an allergic history, Thrombocytopenia., encephalitis; cerebrovascular accident; transverse myelitis; Guillain-Barré syndrome; Bell's palsy; ataxia; non-febrile seizures; dizziness; paresthesia, Pharyngitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome; erythema multiforme; Henoch-Schänlein purpura; secondary bacterial infections of skin and soft tissue, including impetigo and cellulitis; herpes zoster. Every drug, including herbs and other so-called 'natural' cures have side effects. However, the side-effects are very rare. Get a clue. Jeff |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:PJqSh.3561$SK3.2457@trnddc03... So you're saying that the 0.6% who still die don't matter? We are talking about vaccination, if they still die then it isn't much good is it? And there isn't any evidence it did any % use vitamin C if you care about child deaths http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html You don't, or you would have used it 50 years ago. The annual death rate is about 400,000 people each year. Do they count? http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/527371 A lie, for one According to government, measles was a threat to national interest, claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the majority of sick people go to private clinics that do not keep records this figure was of course trumped up). This of course is a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any measles death. No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five second and for which governments is happy to ignore. Update: Letter from Kihura Nkuba October 20th, 2003. http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html and measles vax is a killer for malnourished kids "It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa, South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children...They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It's one way to get good statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did." --Dr Kalokerinos, M.D. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html he should know, he spent decades among third world kids. The problem is that even with excellent nutrition and health, there will still be deaths from measles, like this one last year in England: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm the vaccine wouldn't have saved him, but vitamin C would have. more thyan 50% of measles cases now are in vaccinated kids, or in kids under the age of vaccination if the truth was palatable to you lot then the gov wouldn't make it impossible to find out vaccine status of these kids The bottom line is measles is still a killer. The vaccine saves lives. Just another Allopathic lie to go with the rest http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html The bottom line is http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html and MMR is resting on an epidemic of autism to go with the mercury vaccine autism http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html what a stupidity--swapping a disease that is harmless in kids under proper medical care, and helps the immune system, for an epidemic of vaccine disease |
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"JOHN" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message news:PJqSh.3561$SK3.2457@trnddc03... So you're saying that the 0.6% who still die don't matter? We are talking about vaccination, if they still die then it isn't much good is it? And there isn't any evidence it did any % In addition, your figure of 99.4% death reduction says that kids were still dying before vaccination. And they are still dying: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm (link restored) use vitamin C if you care about child deaths http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html Why? Because of some quotes on this useless web site? You don't, or you would have used it 50 years ago. I wasn't alive 50 years ago. The annual death rate is about 400,000 people each year. Do they count? http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/527371 A lie, for one How do you know? You couldn't have even looked at the report. The link was bad. Here is a better link to the CDC info: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5509a8.htm According to government, measles was a threat to national interest, claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the majority of sick people go to private clinics that do not keep records this figure was of course trumped up). These are international figures collected by groups such as WHO and UNICEF. This of course is a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any measles death. Uganda is not the only country with measles deaths. No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five second and for which governments is happy to ignore. Update: Letter from Kihura Nkuba October 20th, 2003. http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html and measles vax is a killer for malnourished kids No it isn't. It is a life-saver. "It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa, South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children...They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It's one way to get good statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did." --Dr Kalokerinos, M.D. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html he should know, he spent decades among third world kids. He saw the illness in the kids after the vaccine because he was around them. The kids would have gotton sick without the vaccine. The problem is that even with excellent nutrition and health, there will still be deaths from measles, like this one last year in England: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm the vaccine wouldn't have saved him, but vitamin C would have. Bull****. more thyan 50% of measles cases now are in vaccinated kids, or in kids under the age of vaccination Gee, that is because most of the kids are vaccinated. The rate of measles is way down. And, the cases in vaccianted kids is usually much milder than in unvaccinated kids. Remember, the goal of vaccination is not just to prevent measles cases, but to decrease the rate of measles complications. It does both. if the truth was palatable to you lot then the gov wouldn't make it impossible to find out vaccine status of these kids The truth is palatable to me, because vaccination saves lives. The bottom line is measles is still a killer. The vaccine saves lives. Just another Allopathic lie to go with the rest http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html The bottom line is http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html The bottom line is that your a liar whose lives kill kids. JEff and MMR is resting on an epidemic of autism to go with the mercury vaccine autism http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html what a stupidity--swapping a disease that is harmless in kids under proper medical care, and helps the immune system, for an epidemic of vaccine disease |
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JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:ZZdSh.11327$op4.4406@trnddc08... I would be very careful with anything John posts. The whaleto site clearly is written by someone who doesn't know or understand any medicine, vaccines or immunology. I don't know who writes it because he or she doesn't even put her name on it. I guess (s)he is too embarrassed. Can't blame her. http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html Jeff has been lying for here for at least 10 years, and he is losing his marbles as he now figures I have had a sex change. The lost marbles are yours, John-boy. He's merely referring to the obvious fact that you didn't write the articles on your own web site. Granted, those articles are garbage, but they are still far beyond your capacities to have written. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher |
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"bigvince" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Stan If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor to better health in the last 50 years Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously ill. The first year after the Varicella vaccine became part of the protocol for chicken pox, even in a school where a sizable chunk of our kindergarteners (as high as 20% some years) aren't vaccinated because "personal belief excemptions" are often easier to deal with when you're against the wire for school enrollment than actually getting the child vaccinated for our low income families, we had only 6 children in kindergarten get Chicken pox-all unvaccinated, all in two separate homerooms, where one child was exposed outside of school. In the other kindergarten classes, they avoided the infection entirely, and we didn't have any older children (even though most of them had never been vaccinated) catch it. ANd chicken pox isn't as damaging as many of the childhood diseases which have been part of the protocol for a generation or more. The main thing which allows non-vaccinated children to avoid these diseases is that most people around them are vaccinated. |
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"Donna Metler" wrote in message . .. Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously ill. We haven't had chicken pox vaccine here, UK, but i can't recall it being a problem in any of the 7 schools my kids have been to. I can't recall any kindegarten or pre school incident of it, or primary school. So hardly a problem [snip] One of my kids had it at pre-school, and passed it on to their sibling: there were several other cases within that pre-school. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:LWqSh.2552$%l5.856@trnddc05... Actually, chicken pox was killing people before then. Chicken pox never killed anyone before drugs came along to kill their immune system, then you morons sell a vaccine on the back of your immune killing drugs Every drug, including herbs and other so-called 'natural' cures have side effects. However, the side-effects are very rare. Yes, they are for natural herbs and nutrients, but yours kill 120,000 every year in the USA alone In fact I don't know of any herb or nutrient deaths under professional herbal or nutritional MD supervision |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:%SqSh.477$Z66.291@trnddc06... You have yet to show that the tiny amount of thimerosal in vaccines has any negative effects. "I think that the biological case against Thimerosal is so dramatically overwhelming anymore that only a very foolish or a very dishonest person with the credentials to understand this research would say that Thimerosal wasn't most likely the cause of autism."--- Interview of Dr. Boyd E. Haley by Teri Small: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html Have a lovely day. I am, but the 500,000 vaccine autism victims and their families may not be having such a great one cheers "Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side."----Goethe |
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"JOHN" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message news:LWqSh.2552$%l5.856@trnddc05... Actually, chicken pox was killing people before then. Chicken pox never killed anyone before drugs came along to kill their immune system, then you morons sell a vaccine on the back of your immune killing drugs Wrong. Chickpox killed a lot of kids. Chicken pox attacks the brain in about 1 in 1000 cases. And a lot of kids get infected from scratching at their lesions. Every drug, including herbs and other so-called 'natural' cures have side effects. However, the side-effects are very rare. Yes, they are for natural herbs and nutrients, but yours kill 120,000 every year in the USA alone If that's what you think. In fact I don't know of any herb or nutrient deaths under professional herbal or nutritional MD supervision Of course you don't. These people just blame the disease or real doctors for the deaths. Like, it was the chemotherapy that killed them, even though the patient didn't have chemo for 12 months. Jeff |
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