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Old July 11th 06, 08:34 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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I'm not sure what the answer is, only that I agree it would be better
to ditch the bottles. Any ideas on how to do (this bearing in mind the
nursery have limited time and people to take it too slow) would be very
welcome. In the meantime we will have another go at the bottle so at
least he is on the way to transitioning from formula.


If I read the original post correctly you are still nursing right? When I
was still nursing Luke I just stopped sending the bottles to daycare.
Actually I sent them and ask that he not get them unless absolutely
necessary and he had one day of one bottle (versus 3-4) and nothing after
that. His bottles had either formula or breastmilk. I did provide a sippy
cup with cows milk that they used at nap time and snack time. He had had
sips of cows milk but we switched cold-turkey. He didn't drink much cows
milk for a few months but it increased as he got used to it. He nursed so
didn't need it for nutrition. It didn't seem to bother him at all. Some
babies might have a harder time but it might be as easy as that so try it
:-)

Luke was 13mo because I used the last of the can of formula before stopping
the bottles.

Congrats to the 1yr mark ;-)
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Nikki, mama to
Hunter 4/99
Luke 4/01
Brock 4/06
Ben 4/06


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Old July 12th 06, 05:16 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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Oohhhh cute little William!!..
Happy Birthday...
I love his hair!!!

Congrats to you too Jeni!

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Old July 12th 06, 10:58 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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Nikki wrote:
If I read the original post correctly you are still nursing right? When I
was still nursing Luke I just stopped sending the bottles to daycare.
Actually I sent them and ask that he not get them unless absolutely
necessary and he had one day of one bottle (versus 3-4) and nothing after
that. His bottles had either formula or breastmilk. I did provide a
sippy cup with cows milk that they used at nap time and snack time. He
had had sips of cows milk but we switched cold-turkey. He didn't drink
much cows milk for a few months but it increased as he got used to it. He
nursed so didn't need it for nutrition. It didn't seem to bother him at
all. Some babies might have a harder time but it might be as easy as that
so try it :-)


actually Nikki has got a good point, we did similar now I think back with
number 1, he was only at the childminder in the morning, so I just left some
ebm in their freezers and stopped sending it every day at 11months. He
didn't seem to nurse more later in the day as a consequence. With number
two, (13 months now), she is just breastfeeding morning and night and has
been for quite a while now and seems to be thriving, so it would appear that
2 breastfeeds are sufficient.

Anne


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Old July 12th 06, 02:05 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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In article ,
"Anne Rogers" wrote:

We've ummed and
arrrred about giving our 3yr old some formula as he's not doing that great
and our main worry was teeth but we could not find a sensible answer.


What's the problem with him, Anne? You have a lot on your plate if you are
worried about him too!

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Old July 12th 06, 05:41 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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In article ,
"Anne Rogers" wrote:

We've ummed and
arrrred about giving our 3yr old some formula as he's not doing that
great
and our main worry was teeth but we could not find a sensible answer.


What's the problem with him, Anne? You have a lot on your plate if you
are
worried about him too!


he was very underweight around Easter time, having lost all the weight he
had put on in the previous year, he basically had no body fat at all and had
a couple of patches of downy hair that is a symptom of anorexia. There was
no reason for the weight loss that we could think off so it was a little
concerning, but he's creeping back up again, so we're not really too worried
anymore, we're just trying to make good choices for his diet, including
plenty of fat, but not going to extremes. It has been particular noticeable
since he has been going to swimming class, he is only a little bit shorter
than the rest of the children, but a totally different body shape, also he
struggles to maintain his body heat and gets cold very quickly even though
he is very active. He does seem to be thriving though, he's developmentally
jumped recently, so maybe he was just putting his resources into that.

It does seem as if we have had a lot on our plate! but I guess that is just
life! At a similar time Ada had a totally mystery skin rash that got badly
infected and took a month of steroids to clear up and no doctor we had seen
had ever seen anything like it! It never rains, but it pours!

Anne


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Old July 16th 06, 11:23 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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Anne Rogers wrote:
Jeni wrote:
Thanks for this. I was going to post on the very same thing when I
remembered. At present we have discovered he will sip cows milk the
same way as he sips water, but so far won't have it as a replacement
for his bottle. We did try it briefly at the weekend but we didn't know
till the evening how bad he was feeling so realise now it was a bad
time to try. The problem is that he still has between 4 and 8 oz twice
a day so getting through a sippy cup of that much would take forever
and he'd get very frustrated.

I'm not sure what the answer is, only that I agree it would be better
to ditch the bottles. Any ideas on how to do (this bearing in mind the
nursery have limited time and people to take it too slow) would be very
welcome. In the meantime we will have another go at the bottle so at
least he is on the way to transitioning from formula.


actually I never stated my personal preference, which would be to never give
cows milk in a bottle, it's semi irrational, based on the fact that at least
formula is designed for bottles, but then as it seems to be the speech
reason that leads the reasons for getting of bottles it probably doesn't
matter what is actually in it.

I think if was me I would have them give one of the feeds from a sippy (no
valve - just as bad for speech apparently), the one when he is most awake
and the other stick with a bottle, then go to all cup, which would hopefully
happen in 2 weeks to a month, then transition to cows milk, if necessary by
doing 10% 90% and working the amount of formula down over another two weeks
to a month.


Well it seems the issue with William is exactly the method by which his
milk is delivered, rather than what kind it is. He really isn't keen on
drinking out of cups at all, lid on or off, but will do it reluctantly
with water with his breakfast, snacks, and throughout the day. At
present he won't take his milk feed out of a cup because he gets too
frustrated at sipping. He has his milk when he wakes from his naps so
is hungry and just downs it in minutes. He can't do that with a sippy
cup and he is not a patient fellow. I suspect as a result of bottles he
drinks more in the day and very little bm at night and morning, so
cutting out bottles just isn't an option. He would get very very cross.
We did try early on to give him milk before his nap but that didn't
work then so it won't work now. We discussed it with the nursery at
out first parents evening last week. They agreed to try a little milk
in a cup for his snack. What happened was that because he woke up
around snack time they just put the cow's milk (warmed, he won't touch
it cold) in his bottle and he drank it straight down. From a nutrition
point of view it's what we wanted because he does have a very balanced
diet so we feel cow's milk is a better choice than formula. He eats a
lot of soilds which include a little fibre, carbs, fresh fruit and
veggies, full- fat dairy and the right amount of protein/iron etc in
dried fruits, legumes and pulses that he misses from not eating meat.
Apart from the rare odd Hipp jar, all main meals are homecooked by us,
so we know what he eats. As for the bottles issue, seen as he has only
just turned 1 we are not sweating it. But what we will do is gradually
introduce more milk in cups and less in bottles. One quirk of William's
personality we have learnt from is that he doesn't do things cold
turkey, everything has to be done gradually. This goes for helping get
to sleep on his own (which he does beautifully now - and sleeps the
longer for it), eating new foods, getting used to nursery (very happy
now) etc.. But I do have it in my mind that bottles aren't great and we
will start the transition now. As he downs the stuff fast he never sits
there sucking on a bottle, so I'm not over concerned about his teeth
and speech. He only ever drinks water, which is from a cup.

Thanks for all the advice. It certainly helped clarify everything for
us and how to proceed. Meanwhile he still enjoys an extra comfort feed
now and then (two molars coming through at once - ouch!!) so that's one
kind of milk we have no plans to transition from.

Ta

Jeni

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Old July 16th 06, 07:00 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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Notchalk wrote:
On 2006-07-12 00:15:00 +0800, "Anne Rogers" said:

actually I never stated my personal preference, which would be to never
give cows milk in a bottle, it's semi irrational, based on the fact
that at least formula is designed for bottles, but then as it seems to
be the speech reason that leads the reasons for getting of bottles it
probably doesn't matter what is actually in it.

I think if was me I would have them give one of the feeds from a sippy
(no valve - just as bad for speech apparently), the one when he is most
awake and the other stick with a bottle, then go to all cup, which
would hopefully happen in 2 weeks to a month, then transition to cows
milk, if necessary by doing 10% 90% and working the amount of formula
down over another two weeks to a month.

Cheers

Anne


Hi there - just hijacking this thread to ask about the definition of a
sippy cup... is it a cup with a spout that they have to tip up to drink
out of?


That's what ds uses. But there seems to be different types of those. At
first he had one with a rubbery type spout that the baby has to squeeze
and suck to get anything out. He had no chance with that one being a
lazy bum. Next we tried the Avent Magic cup with a hard spout and a
filter thingy. Wouldn't suck hard enough to get anything through the
filter thingy but with 3 holes in it too much came out without it. He
now uses a Tommy Tippee sippy cup that has one hole. For a long time we
just tipped it up till some went it. He's now learnt to do it himself
but doesn't always tip it up enough so quite often we still do it. He
can do it without a lid but he likes to throw his cup about so there
was no chance of him learning to do it himself without one

I have had mixed success with these - Will seems to bite/chew
them, and for the next few days my nipples hurt a lot, and I have
worked out it is because he's chewing on me in the same way! As soon
as I get rid of that specific cup, it stops. What I have found to work
well is a straw cup. I use the 'Pigeion' wide neck bottle with a straw
top attachment. He gets big gulps of water, and doesn't have to chew!
Anne, do you know whether straws are detrimental to speech development?
Also, if he uses a dummy just to settle to sleep, at this age (13.5
months) is that bad for speech, too? I don't let him have it any other
time - he puts dummy to bed when he gets up. I have had no success with
any dummy other than the pigeon 0-5 months sized dummy, too...
supposedly closest to breastfeeding. I'd love to get rid of it,
obviously, but no chance of sleep if that happens.


I'm with you on the dummy except that we have been using it for
teething and colds too. None of the usual soothers (cold flannel,
teething rings) do the trick and he is so miserable that it seems
heartless to deny him.

Jeni

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Old July 17th 06, 06:21 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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Anne, do you know whether straws are detrimental to speech development?
Also, if he uses a dummy just to settle to sleep, at this age (13.5
months) is that bad for speech, too? I don't let him have it any other
time - he puts dummy to bed when he gets up. I have had no success with
any dummy other than the pigeon 0-5 months sized dummy, too... supposedly
closest to breastfeeding. I'd love to get rid of it, obviously, but no
chance of sleep if that happens.


sorry, no idea, I know that bottles are supposed to go at age 1 (dental and
speech reasons) and that from a speech point of view it's the sucking in the
no spill cups that is the problem, I'd suspect a straw is fine, because
though it is sucking the pressure you need is massively less (just try it
yourself!)

Anne


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Old July 17th 06, 06:23 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
Anne Rogers
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Jeni wrote:
so we know what he eats. As for the bottles issue, seen as he has only
just turned 1 we are not sweating it. But what we will do is gradually
introduce more milk in cups and less in bottles.


You might want to ask other more experienced people about this, I've not had
to get rid of bottles in quite the same way, but I have a horrible suspicion
it gets harder later, not easier.

Anne


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Old July 18th 06, 06:15 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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Anne Rogers wrote:

Anne, do you know whether straws are detrimental to speech development?


Straws are GOOOD for speech development. The
sucking mechanism strengthens muscles. In
speech therapy, they focus on learning to use
straws.

Also, if he uses a dummy just to settle to sleep, at this age (13.5
months) is that bad for speech, too?


It's bad only if he has it in during the day
and it keeps him quiet instead of letting him
babble.

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