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Old February 10th 07, 05:10 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking,alt.support.foster-parents
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Greg, you mentioned that my being an atheist assured that when the
"cosmos" got me I would be confused because of my atheism.

Think these folks were a bit confused about their Christianity?

Or, like others you have sided with in the past, was this just
discipline?

And the parent's Sacred Constitutional Parental Right, Greg?

http://wkrn.com/nashville/news/what-...ment/76486.htm

[February 8, 2007, 5:55 pm]
"What Does Bible Say About Corporal Punishment?"
Joseph and Sonya Smith of Mabelton, Georgia stand accused of murdering
their eight-year-old son Josef in October 2003 .

On Thursday, Josef's older brother, 16-year-old Michael, echoed his
parents' claims that Josef believed he was possessed by the devil. He
said, "He pulled knives out on me, threatened to kill me, threatened
to kill my mom, threatened to kill my little brother James. We tried
talking to him, taking him to church, tried to see what was wrong
because he said he was possessed by Legion."

The jury then got a startling look at the box where the family admits
they locked...
....little Josef on the day he died.

At first, Michael told prosecutors his parents closed Josef in the
small container. On Wednesday, he said he did it.

Then, Josef let the detail slip that caused the defense to call for a
mistrial. He told the jury his parents had another child die three
months earlier.

Defense Attorney Manny Arora moved for a mistrial, saying the court
had disallowed this evidence prior to trial. Going as far as saying
the judge must not have been paying attention.

The judge was having none of it. Judge James Bodiford did not grant a
mistrial.

The judge recessed the trial, but beforereconvening Wednesday
afternoon, Defense Attorney Manny Arora apologized to the judge for
the mistake. Court records show there was no mention of this evidence
in pre-trial meetings and testimony continued.

Members of the Remnant Fellowship Church, where the Smith's belonged,
believe and teach that spanking children is ordained by God.


Many parents who choose to spank their children quote what they think
is scripture, "Spare the rod; spoil the child." You cannot, however,
find those actual words in the Bible and the phrase actually comes
from a love poem written in the 1600s.

In the Old Testament,there are several verses of scripture that many
believe supports parents spanking their children.

Lisa Howe and Micaela Crowley come from two different families and two
different generations. One thing was the same, they were both
spanked.

Both come from Christian families who believe God's way of training up
children is to use a belt, or a switch or the back of a hand to either
punish a child or correct them.

Belmont religion professor Dr. Andy Watts said, "Corporal punishment
is something allowed by the Bible, especially in the Old Testament and
Christians read it as direct rules on guidelines for punishing
children."

Dr. Watts said the Book of Proverbs, written, many think by King
Solomon, is where parents get those instructions.

Chapter 13 Verse 24 says "He who spares the rod, hates his son, but he
who loves him is careful to discipline him" and Chapter 29 Verse 15
says "The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to
himself disgraces his mother."

Watts said he doesn't believe those verses should be taken as
literally as many Christians do.

In the case of Remnant Fellowship believers who, according to many
former members, whip their children with glue sticks until they stop
the bad behavior... is more than likelyabuse.

Dr. Watts said, "I think most Christians would look at this and say
they went too far and that kind of belief system goes too far in
trying to correct children's behavior... Most Christians would say
that it's okay to physically harm your child in order to deter them
from further behavior."

Some believe those verses, written by King Solomon came from his
choice of punishment of his son Rehoboam.

Rehoboam grew up to be one the most hated rulers in the Old Testament
and was nearly assassinated by his own people.

Newer translations of the Bible have removed reference to using a rod
and simply instruct parents to usediscipline.

For more on this story and to comment, visit www.faithandethics.com .

Copyright 2007 by WKRN Nashville Tennessee. All Rights Reserved.

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Old February 10th 07, 11:28 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking,alt.support.foster-parents
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This is a support group for families involved with CPS.

Please take your OT parent hating drivel elsewhere.

Thank you Don.

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Old February 10th 07, 10:23 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking,alt.support.foster-parents
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Welcome back kenny.

Ron

"Condoleezza HaHa" wrote in message
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This is a support group for families involved with CPS.

Please take your OT parent hating drivel elsewhere.

Thank you Don.

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Old February 22nd 07, 04:16 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking,alt.support.foster-parents
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http://www.journal-news.net/news/art...articleID=7225

Uncle indicted on incest charges

By EDWARD MARSHALL / Journal Staff Writer

MARTINSBURG - A Berkeley County grand jury indicted 10 people Tuesday,
including a 45-year-old Hedgesville man who was arrested last year for
allegedly raping his niece in 1989. He is also charged with raping the
daughter to whom she gave birth as a result of the abuse.

The man, whose name will not be published to protect the identities of
the victims, was indicted on two counts of incest and one count each
of first-degree sexual assault and second-degree sexual assault.

According to court records, in January 2006 the two victims met with
Lt. Gary Harmison of the Berkeley County Sheriff's Department to
report a sexual assault.

The younger victim, who was 16 at the time of the meeting, told
Harmison she was raped several times by her great-uncle. The victim's
mother also reported that she was sexually assaulted by the man.

An initial report was filed by Harmison and the case turned over to
the criminal investigations division. Later that month, Cpl. B.F. Hall
interviewed both victims.

The younger victim said the assaults took place at her great uncle's
home in Hedgesville and that she was first sexually assaulted by him
in 1994 when she was about 5 or 6. She said that the man continued to
sexually assault her until 2003 when she was removed from his home by
Child Protective Services. She told police the assaults usually
consisted of sexual intercourse and she attempted to fight back but
her great-uncle would hold her down.

She also said that he made her watch pornography and the assaults
occurred almost daily. The younger victim's mother was then
interviewed. She told Hall that she was also raped by the man, who is
her uncle, and she became pregnant with the younger victim as a result
of the assault.

She said the rape happened in 1989 at the man's home and that her
uncle forcibly held her down while he assaulted her. She gave birth to
the younger victim in November 1989. She said she then left her
uncle's home in 1990 because of problems she was having because of the
assault and her daughter was left in the care of her grandparents
until 2003.

Both victims gave police a videotaped statement. They also allowed
officers to take swabs of saliva for possible DNA testing in the
future. Both victims told police that their assailant openly admits to
being the father of the younger victim.

Hall attempted several times to make contact with the man at his home
in Hedgesville but was unable to find him. Several messages were left
for him through other family members but Hall never received any
response from the suspect. He was later captured by authorities in
late October. He currently remains in custody at Eastern Regional Jail
while awaiting further court proceedings.

If convicted of incest, he faces five to 15 years in prison on each
count. He faces 15 to 35 years in prison on the first-degree sexual
assault charge and 10 to 25 years in prison on the second degree
sexual assault charge if convicted.

 




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