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Thanks for all the advice earlier! Makes me feel better that things seem
normal so far! We do nurse to sleep almost exclusively, although sometimes she will nurse, sleep for 15 min or so, then have the cute "awake" period. At the end of that she either nurses to sleep again or falls asleep on her own. We are back to sleeping in the bassinet, I moved it to a warmer side of the room (I live in Maine, so external walls are cold). Here are my current "problems": 1. She is on a 2 hr cycle of wake-feed (30-45min)-sleep or awake (1-1.5hrs) and so on. This means that I'm nursing 45min out of every 2hrs or so. Plus, she sometimes sleeps for 30 min and wants to feed again. Even though we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. No cracks, bleeding, etc, just really tender. I use Lansinoh lanolin on them after allowing some expressed BM to dry on them, but I do cringe when we first latch on. That pain does go away after nursing for a few minutes. I think this is all normal (she's 9 days old), but I really need to know if the latching on pain goes away at some point! According to my reading, this pain was supposed to peak already and it certainly hasn't. 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. I know I'm being textbook paranoid because she is having the right number of pees and poops and when she does finally unlatch she has milk running down her chin, but I do wonder if the soft breast feeling is normal. I thought there would be a difference between "full" and "empty", otherwise why would people talk about being off balance when they only feed from one side at a time? 3) I'm thinking about not switching between breasts anymore in order to give my nipples a longer break. Sometimes she does this on her own by feeding for a longer time on the first and not waking up for the second, but most of the time she feeds vigorously for 5min, sleepy sucks for 10min and then pops off. I then change her diaper and she wakes up again, wanting the breast again. If I put her back on the same breast, I'm thinking she'll get more hindmilk that way and might last longer between feeds? Is that naive of me? Thanks for all the help....I thought I was pretty well prepared and informed for this by all the reading I did while pregnant, but I'm finding that my brain lost most of the info and what it did retain doesn't feel relevant to the specialness that is my daughter! Amy |
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Hi Amy!
"V." wrote in message ... 1. She is on a 2 hr cycle of wake-feed (30-45min)-sleep or awake (1-1.5hrs) and so on. This means that I'm nursing 45min out of every 2hrs or so. Plus, she sometimes sleeps for 30 min and wants to feed again. Even though we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. No cracks, bleeding, etc, just really tender. I use Lansinoh lanolin on them after allowing some expressed BM to dry on them, but I do cringe when we first latch on. That pain does go away after nursing for a few minutes. I think this is all normal (she's 9 days old), but I really need to know if the latching on pain goes away at some point! According to my reading, this pain was supposed to peak already and it certainly hasn't. It's totally normal. I had similar problems with sore nipples in the beginning. I can't remember exactly when my nipples became "tougher" and b/fing became less painful, but it was fairly early on (when my DD was a bit older than your DD is). Hang in there! It DOES get better! 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. I know I'm being textbook paranoid because she is having the right number of pees and poops and when she does finally unlatch she has milk running down her chin, but I do wonder if the soft breast feeling is normal. I thought there would be a difference between "full" and "empty", otherwise why would people talk about being off balance when they only feed from one side at a time? I experienced the same thing with soft breasts between feedings during the first few months. My DD nursed so often, my breasts didn't have a chance to totally "fill up" again (or at least feel full). And the only times I became engorged were when she started sleeping 3-4 hours at a time during the night, or after my DH and I would go out for a date and leave her (with a bottle of EBM) with someone. I'd then end up with these big rock-hard bumps on my chest. Thanks for all the help....I thought I was pretty well prepared and informed for this by all the reading I did while pregnant, but I'm finding that my brain lost most of the info and what it did retain doesn't feel relevant to the specialness that is my daughter! You are doing an AWESOME job, Amy!! I'm very impressed with your commitment to b/fing. The newborn phase can be challenging for even the most well-informed and well-prepared parents. Keep up the great work! Mary Mommy to (still b/fing 1x/day) Rayna 1/20/03 |
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: 1. She is on a 2 hr cycle of wake-feed (30-45min)-sleep or awake (1-1.5hrs) : and so on. This means that I'm nursing 45min out of every 2hrs or so. : Plus, she sometimes sleeps for 30 min and wants to feed again. Even though : we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and : visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. No cracks, bleeding, : etc, just really tender. I use Lansinoh lanolin on them after allowing some : expressed BM to dry on them, but I do cringe when we first latch on. That : pain does go away after nursing for a few minutes. I think this is all : normal (she's 9 days old), but I really need to know if the latching on pain : goes away at some point! According to my reading, this pain was : supposed to peak already and it certainly hasn't. With Monika it was closer to 2 weeks to peak and I've heard up to 4. : 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling : anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. I know I'm : being textbook paranoid because she is having the right number of pees and : poops and when she does finally unlatch she has milk running down her chin, : but I do wonder if the soft breast feeling is normal. I thought there would : be a difference between "full" and "empty", otherwise why would people talk : about being off balance when they only feed from one side at a time? Newborns nurse often and yours seems to be so that could be contributing to the lack of engorgement. Wait until she sleeps 4 or 5 hours the first time! : 3) I'm thinking about not switching between breasts anymore in order to : give my nipples a longer break. Sometimes she does this on her own by : feeding for a longer time on the first and not waking up for the second, but : most of the time she feeds vigorously for 5min, sleepy sucks for 10min and : then pops off. I then change her diaper and she wakes up again, wanting the : breast again. If I put her back on the same breast, I'm thinking she'll get : more hindmilk that way and might last longer between feeds? Is that naive : of me? Depends on what you mean by "not switching" and depends on how prolific a milk producer you are. If you are a prolific milk producer, then you could feed one side only each feed. Some really prolific producers have gone two feeds on the same breast, but I would recommend against it. If you are not sure, then nurse 30 minutes or so on one side before switching. Since this is related to the soreness, I would suggest doing it only as much as you have to unless the other reasons above apply.` : Thanks for all the help....I thought I was pretty well prepared and informed : for this by all the reading I did while pregnant, but I'm finding that my : brain lost most of the info and what it did retain doesn't feel relevant to : the specialness that is my daughter! : Amy A final word on the soreness. It is probably related to the new experience and the frequent feeding of a newborn. If the pain become significant or it hasn't gotten better by 4 weeks, look into the possibility of thrush. Good luck, Larry PS: You seem to be doing everything right, including posting to mkb! :-) |
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Hi Amy!
It sounds like everything's going really well so far :-) V. wrote: 1. She is on a 2 hr cycle of wake-feed (30-45min)-sleep or awake (1-1.5hrs) and so on. This means that I'm nursing 45min out of every 2hrs or so. Plus, she sometimes sleeps for 30 min and wants to feed again. Even though we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. No cracks, bleeding, etc, just really tender. I use Lansinoh lanolin on them after allowing some expressed BM to dry on them, but I do cringe when we first latch on. That pain does go away after nursing for a few minutes. I think this is all normal (she's 9 days old), but I really need to know if the latching on pain goes away at some point! According to my reading, this pain was supposed to peak already and it certainly hasn't. It does get better. Be really vigilant about her latch (check that her lips are flanged out), and with time her mouth will get bigger and your nipples more used to it, and you'll be pain free. In the meantime, I highly recommend Soothies. They're expensive, but they feel *so* good on sore nipples. You can usually find them at bf clinics and high-end maternity/baby shops. 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. I know I'm being textbook paranoid because she is having the right number of pees and poops and when she does finally unlatch she has milk running down her chin, but I do wonder if the soft breast feeling is normal. I thought there would be a difference between "full" and "empty", otherwise why would people talk about being off balance when they only feed from one side at a time? I think this is one of those YMMV things, depending on your own body, how old your child is, how often she feeds. Some folks leak all the time, some never do, etc. 3) I'm thinking about not switching between breasts anymore in order to give my nipples a longer break. Sometimes she does this on her own by feeding for a longer time on the first and not waking up for the second, but most of the time she feeds vigorously for 5min, sleepy sucks for 10min and then pops off. I then change her diaper and she wakes up again, wanting the breast again. If I put her back on the same breast, I'm thinking she'll get more hindmilk that way and might last longer between feeds? Is that naive of me? I don't see any harm in trying --- as long as you're willing to feed her again immediately if she still seems hungry. Which I'm guessing you are, since you seem to be going with her cues in general. Emily -- DS1 5/02 DS2 9/05 |
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Depends on what you mean by "not switching" and depends on how prolific
a milk producer you are. If you are a prolific milk producer, then you could feed one side only each feed. Some really prolific producers have gone two feeds on the same breast, but I would recommend against it. why in particular? I wouldn't call myself a prolific producer, but it is not unusual for me to do 2 feeds on the same breast, for a wide variety of reasons at many different times of day. I never have a problem doing this, even if the breast feels completely empty. Anne |
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V. wrote:
Even though we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. No cracks, bleeding, etc, just really tender. This is normal. It peaked for me at around 2 weeks and went away at around 3 weeks. 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. Again this is normal. That is probably because she is feeding so often. 3) I'm thinking about not switching between breasts anymore in order to give my nipples a longer break. I'd do whatever feels best. I super switched Hunter because that felt better to me but if nursing one breast per sessions feels better to you then I'd do that. I didn't super switch with Luke but then I wasn't sore with him either. I don't know if it made any difference but super switching seemed to lead a bit of a super supply and over active let down. I didn't have the same problem with Luke but then he was my second and my body might have been smarter. He also didn't comfort nurse nearly as much. I thought I was pretty well prepared and informed for this by all the reading I did while pregnant, but I'm finding that my brain lost most of the info and what it did retain doesn't feel relevant to the specialness that is my daughter! Aww, well you are doing fabulously. Enjoy!! -- Nikki Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 Thing One and Thing Two :-) EDD 4/06 |
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V writes:
1. She is on a 2 hr cycle of wake-feed (30-45min)-sleep or awake (1-1.5hrs) and so on. This means that I'm nursing 45min out of every 2hrs or so. Plus, she sometimes sleeps for 30 min and wants to feed again. So far, so normal... Even though we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. .... but that's a problem. I think it's worth trying things to see if they help rather than just putting up with it, in case what you're doing is setting yourself up for a crack. (By this stage, though, both my nipples *were* very cracked, so you're doing better than me :-) I second the advice to try the gel pad thingies, Soothies or equivalent, they're good. I think your plan to switch less often to give each nipple a break is probably also worth a try, though of course you'll need to watch her output carefully and consider switching back if there's any sign it's impacting your supply. 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. I know I'm being textbook paranoid because she is having the right number of pees and poops and when she does finally unlatch she has milk running down her chin, but I do wonder if the soft breast feeling is normal. I thought there would be a difference between "full" and "empty", otherwise why would people talk about being off balance when they only feed from one side at a time? My theory is that that applies to people whose babies leave 3 or 4 hours between feeds, not to those of us with normal babies :-) If I put her back on the same breast, I'm thinking she'll get more hindmilk that way and might last longer between feeds? Is that naive of me? Well, it might or might not work that way, but it's worth a try! Good luck, Sidheag DS Colin Oct 27 2003 |
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V. wrote: 1. She is on a 2 hr cycle of wake-feed (30-45min)-sleep or awake (1-1.5hrs) and so on. This means that I'm nursing 45min out of every 2hrs or so. Plus, she sometimes sleeps for 30 min and wants to feed again. Even though we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. No cracks, bleeding, etc, just really tender. I use Lansinoh lanolin on them after allowing some expressed BM to dry on them, but I do cringe when we first latch on. That pain does go away after nursing for a few minutes. I think this is all normal (she's 9 days old), but I really need to know if the latching on pain goes away at some point! According to my reading, this pain was supposed to peak already and it certainly hasn't. That sounds totally normal to me. I had pain for a couple weeks, but it gradually tapered off. I remember that Mom and DH could tell when she got latched on, because I'd make this hissing noise as I sucked in my breath and tried really hard not to jump/yell/cry or do anything else that would startle her and cause her to pull off and look at me (thus, necessitating a re-latch - whimper). It does go away. My DD will be 4 months old Saturday, and I recently (within the last 2 weeks or so) realized that I actually like nursing. It's about freaking time! Don't worry, there was a long period in there where I was indifferent. 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. I know I'm being textbook paranoid because she is having the right number of pees and poops and when she does finally unlatch she has milk running down her chin, but I do wonder if the soft breast feeling is normal. I thought there would be a difference between "full" and "empty", otherwise why would people talk about being off balance when they only feed from one side at a time? Normal normal normal. You might start to notice a difference between "full soft" and "empty soft," but they're likely going to stay soft, now. Mine never did get hard. The baby is nursing on you ALL the time right now, they don't have time to get hard. Mine took a 4 hour nap today (my baby, not my boobs) and I finally had to pump because they were starting to feel full (and I'd rather have that dribble in the freezer than down my shirt), but they were still soft. It felt similar to the pressure of a full bladder today, right before I pumped... Kind of an achey, ouchy feeling... Hard to explain, but you'll know what I mean when you feel it, which won't be for a while, probably, unless she starts taking long naps. 3) I'm thinking about not switching between breasts anymore in order to give my nipples a longer break. Sometimes she does this on her own by feeding for a longer time on the first and not waking up for the second, but most of the time she feeds vigorously for 5min, sleepy sucks for 10min and then pops off. I then change her diaper and she wakes up again, wanting the breast again. If I put her back on the same breast, I'm thinking she'll get more hindmilk that way and might last longer between feeds? Is that naive of me? You might try it for a day and see what happens. My doctor (who is definitely NOT a breastfeeding expert) said that the whole foremilk/hindmilk thing isn't as well defined as you'd think, and that the baby gets a mix of both throughout the feed. I don't know for sure. With as frequently as you're feeding now, though, you probably won't get engorged if you don't switch it up. Later on, it might start to become a problem. Thanks for all the help....I thought I was pretty well prepared and informed for this by all the reading I did while pregnant, but I'm finding that my brain lost most of the info and what it did retain doesn't feel relevant to the specialness that is my daughter! Awwww... I know how you feel. There's a big difference between theory and practice, too, and a tendency to think "Am I doing this right?" or "Is this normal?" every 10 seconds. It sounds to me like you two are doing great!! You should be extra proud of yourself!! Other Amy |
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"V." wrote in message
... Thanks for all the advice earlier! Makes me feel better that things seem normal so far! We do nurse to sleep almost exclusively, although sometimes she will nurse, sleep for 15 min or so, then have the cute "awake" period. At the end of that she either nurses to sleep again or falls asleep on her own. We are back to sleeping in the bassinet, I moved it to a warmer side of the room (I live in Maine, so external walls are cold). Here are my current "problems": 1. She is on a 2 hr cycle of wake-feed (30-45min)-sleep or awake (1-1.5hrs) and so on. This means that I'm nursing 45min out of every 2hrs or so. Plus, she sometimes sleeps for 30 min and wants to feed again. Even though we have a good latch (as far as I can tell and as assessed by the LC and visiting nurse), my nipples are getting pretty sore. No cracks, bleeding, etc, just really tender. I use Lansinoh lanolin on them after allowing some expressed BM to dry on them, but I do cringe when we first latch on. That pain does go away after nursing for a few minutes. I think this is all normal (she's 9 days old), but I really need to know if the latching on pain goes away at some point! Oh heck yes! It will have gone before you realise it. Her behaviour sounds very normal for her age. Expect a growth spurt at about 2-3 weeks of age and another at 5-6 weeks. After that, it will get much, much easier. Especially after about 3 months when your milk supply will regulate and she'll feed less often and engorgement will become a thing of the past. It seems a long way off right now, but it'll be gone before you know it. If you have extreme pain, redness, hotness or fever, or white spots - anything that could be mastitis or thrush, get it checked and don't put up with the pain. But what you're experiencing sounds very familiar, I went through something similar with DD at that age. According to my reading, this pain was supposed to peak already and it certainly hasn't. 2) My breasts are soft all the time now. I don't have that "full" feeling anymore between feeds and they don't get harder between feeds. I know I'm being textbook paranoid because she is having the right number of pees and poops and when she does finally unlatch she has milk running down her chin, but I do wonder if the soft breast feeling is normal. I thought there would be a difference between "full" and "empty", otherwise why would people talk about being off balance when they only feed from one side at a time? You're making milk constantly, and it sounds like she's drinking it constantly. That's a good thing. Engorgement signals the breasts to produce less milk, but if it is severe and goes on for a long time it can cause other problems. Sooner or later, she'll sleep for 5 or more hours and you'll be aware of just how much milk you've been making ;-) I bet you're hungrier and thirstier now than when you were pregnant, and that's because whether you're aware of it or not, your body is working pretty hard right now to meet Madeline's demands. 3) I'm thinking about not switching between breasts anymore in order to give my nipples a longer break. Sometimes she does this on her own by feeding for a longer time on the first and not waking up for the second, but most of the time she feeds vigorously for 5min, sleepy sucks for 10min and then pops off. I then change her diaper and she wakes up again, wanting the breast again. If I put her back on the same breast, I'm thinking she'll get more hindmilk that way and might last longer between feeds? Is that naive of me? I don't see why you shouldn't. That's what I did with DD early on. Madeline will let you know if she really is done on that side, because she'll just comfort suck or come off again, or cry for the other side. You may find by doing that though that the other side gets a little engorged. If the breast becomes too hard for her to get a proper latch, just express a little by hand so that she can latch properly - a poor latch will just hurt you more. Thanks for all the help....I thought I was pretty well prepared and informed for this by all the reading I did while pregnant, but I'm finding that my brain lost most of the info and what it did retain doesn't feel relevant to the specialness that is my daughter! There is basic information that you can read up on, but I think even if you know 'A Womanly Art' from cover to cover, BF really is about on the job training - for both of you. You don't stop learning either, toddler nursing is a whole other experience. -- Amy Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02, & Ana born screaming 30/06/04 http://www.freewebs.com/carlos2002/ http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/a/ana%5Fj%5F2004/ My blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/querer-hijo-querer-hija/ |
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"V." wrote: 3) I'm thinking about not switching between breasts anymore in order to give my nipples a longer break. Sometimes she does this on her own by feeding for a longer time on the first and not waking up for the second, but most of the time she feeds vigorously for 5min, sleepy sucks for 10min and then pops off. I then change her diaper and she wakes up again, wanting the breast again. If I put her back on the same breast, I'm thinking she'll get more hindmilk that way and might last longer between feeds? Is that naive of me? Probably, but it's always worth experimenting! BTW there is no need to change her unless she has pooed or you want her to stay awake. -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "In Melbourne there is plenty of vigour and eagerness, but there is nothing worth being eager or vigorous about." Francis Adams, The Australians, 1893. |
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