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Spanked by gtrandparents
Ive read this website that was provided by another poster in this
group. The website says, among other things, that lots of people recall their grandparents spanking them even if their parents never did. How can grandparents spank? How can they be allowed to? Especially if the parents dont. |
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Because in the US, spanking is legal by family members, unless they are
designated as foster parents. There is variation state to state regarding grandparent's right to spank over the parents wishes, but this is very hard to enforce. Sucks, doesn't it? LaVonne fistoffury wrote: Ive read this website that was provided by another poster in this group. The website says, among other things, that lots of people recall their grandparents spanking them even if their parents never did. How can grandparents spank? How can they be allowed to? Especially if the parents dont. |
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Um, please elaborate on what varies
from state to state about the grandparents needing the parents approval? US Troxel v. Granville would say that the grandparents have NO such rights unless the parents give their permission. Grandparents DO NOT have a right to try to USURP or overrule the rights of the parents. This has partly motivated huge numbers of grandparents to falsely report parents of child abuse in order to gain power and leverage. Arizona with it's huge elderly population actually discovered a huge percentage of reports from senior citizens have to be immediately screened out because they call in the stupidest non-issues as if they are abuse or neglest. Some are downright SENILE! Somewhere around the hotlines in some states there are lists of the contenders for the STUPIDEST complaints that were ever called in. I'd love to read it! CPS agencies likely wouldn't want me to see such a list. |
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Greegor wrote:
Um, please elaborate on what varies from state to state about the grandparents needing the parents approval? US Troxel v. Granville would say that the grandparents have NO such rights unless the parents give their permission. Grandparents DO NOT have a right to try to USURP or overrule the rights of the parents. People have the right to "try" anything, Greegor. The question is as you point out in the former paragraph. But you misunderstand T v G. It was not about spanking. You try to extrapolate from the specific to the general. Not all specifics apply to all other cases. Life is like that. This has partly motivated huge numbers of grandparents to falsely report parents of child abuse in order to gain power and leverage. Or, terrified for their grand children who were being abused and neglect, they reported. Arizona with it's huge elderly population actually discovered a huge percentage of reports from senior citizens have to be immediately screened out because they call in the stupidest non-issues as if they are abuse or neglest. Yep. Older folks tend to see the outcomes of various forms of child abuse that normally go unrecognized. It comes with living a very long time and watching a lot of children grow up, some well parented, and some not so. Some are downright SENILE! Please don't yell. It makes you appear...well, senile. Somewhere around the hotlines in some states there are lists of the contenders for the STUPIDEST complaints that were ever called in. I'd love to read it! Well why don't you then? CPS agencies likely wouldn't want me to see such a list. Why not? Like the have to be afraid of YOU? R R R R R What would stupidest complaints prove? That some people are stupid? Prove the CPS goes out on stupid complaints, Greg. If they got a complaint and went out on it by default it would not be a stupid complaint. If nothing came of it, it would be incorrect. That doesn't make it stupid. Got to love those seniors. They care. Do you? You never speak out about child abuse. I speak out about CPS malpractice. Why is this so one sided for you, eh? 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Troxel v Granville is about parents rights against
grandparents intruding on parental rights. Grandparents wishing to spank the grandkids must have permission from the parents. Grandparents complaining that parents spank their kids have no right to overrule parents. In Troxel v Granville itself the grandparents demanded visitation with only the siblings who were blood kin and refused to care for the siblings who were not blood kin. The able parents said they had to take the kids all or none, not wishing to split up siblings. The grandparents thought they had a right to make DEMANDS of the parents and refused to accept and follow the terms dictated by the able parents. The courts sided with the able parents and against the DEMANDING grandparents. |
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Greegor wrote:
Troxel v Granville is about parents rights against grandparents intruding on parental rights. Grandparents wishing to spank the grandkids must have permission from the parents. That was part of T v G? Please post the case for us. I've read it and someone must have snipped the copy I read. I found nothing about spanking being studied with a finding. Grandparents complaining that parents spank their kids have no right to overrule parents. Yep. Was the the case in T v G? In Troxel v Granville itself the grandparents demanded visitation with only the siblings who were blood kin and refused to care for the siblings who were not blood kin. Yes, what has that do to with spanking, Greg? The able parents said they had to take the kids all or none, not wishing to split up siblings. Yes, I've had some arguments with relatives myself when I was helping them. I turned down some because the refused to foster or adopt the sibling group entire. Only the blood relatives. It was rare. Most grandparents wouldn't have considered for a moment splitting the child from their own brother or sister. Nice folks. The grandparents thought they had a right to make DEMANDS of the parents and refused to accept and follow the terms dictated by the able parents. Yep. This has what to do with spanking? You used T v G to make the point that spanking has some special meaning. What was it? The courts sided with the able parents and against the DEMANDING grandparents. Yes? So? What happened was nothing changed. Did you notice that? The case came out just like the vast majority of people already behave. T v G was a rare anomaly in parents and in-law g'ps etc. How many g'parents to do you think REALLY try to force their own children to submit to them and let them take control of the g'children? What IS your point, as pertains to spanking? 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Grandparents do not have a right to spank
the kids unless the parents say it's OK. |
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YAY Greegor and I agree on something!! My Mother Spanked my son while she was babysitting...she will NEVER babysit again.
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Becca Momma to two boys Big Guy 3/02 and Wuvy-Buv 8/05 |
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Greegor wrote: Um, please elaborate on what varies from state to state about the grandparents needing the parents approval? Read the laws. I'm not going to do the work for you. US Troxel v. Granville would say that the grandparents have NO such rights unless the parents give their permission. True. Now understand what this means. Are you aware that in the US many grandparents are raising their grandchildren, and certainly are spanking them? Grandparents DO NOT have a right to try to USURP or overrule the rights of the parents. Of course they do. There are instances in certain states where grandparents are allowed to see the grandchildren over the objection of parents. This has partly motivated huge numbers of grandparents to falsely report parents of child abuse in order to gain power and leverage. This hasn't happened to the extent that you claim. Arizona with it's huge elderly population actually discovered a huge percentage of reports from senior citizens have to be immediately screened out because they call in the stupidest non-issues as if they are abuse or neglest. Excuse me? Some are downright SENILE! Since you claim grandparents have no rights, what are you worried about? Somewhere around the hotlines in some states there are lists of the contenders for the STUPIDEST complaints that were ever called in. I'd love to read it! "Stupidest complaints" and comments are wonderful reading. Books have been made about the stupidest comments made by presidents and members of the administration. And they are funny! CPS agencies likely wouldn't want me to see such a list. I doubt that CPS agencies spend a whole lot of time worrying about whether you see a list of the "STUPIDEST complaints." Grin and giggle. Other that how you treated your children, I doubt CPS agencies spend a whole lot of time thinking about what you read or understand. You are a bit narcissistic, aren't you, Greegor? LaVonne |
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Good for you becca,
However, if you were unable to care for your son for whatever reason, and he was placed with your mother, do you think you would continue to have the authority to not allow her to spank? Ithink this would depend upon the state you live in, and the determination of the courts. Family placement sometimes has very different regulations than out-of-family foster care, which does not allow the foster parent to spank in any state, to my knowledge. LaVonne beccafromlalaland wrote: Greegor Wrote: Grandparents do not have a right to spank the kids unless the parents say it's OK. YAY Greegor and I agree on something!! My Mother Spanked my son while she was babysitting...she will NEVER babysit again. |
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