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It's slow in here!
Chris and Kathleen did not sleep through the night until probably 18 to 19
months, and then like someone else it only meant they didn't get up at 1 but somewhere about 3 or 4 and then slept until 7 or 8. My MIL said my DH didn't sleep through the night until 17 months - maybe genetics. OT: The twins got their braces Monday! Both have severe jaw issues that we are trying to catch before they become candidates for surgery (severe class 3 -underbite). Kathleen actually has a squared upper jaw because if it and Chris is having trouble with some tooth erosion from the way he bits backwards and teeth that aren't coming through because of no room. They chose different things which is interesting, Chris wanted the gold and Kathleen was pink. So for a year they will be banded. It looks strange - it adds to the "grown up" look. I will have 3rd graders in little less than a month. Gosh guys - where does the time fly. Listening to all of you write about sleep schedules makes me just cry. Also OT: Not only have we lost our precious puppy of 12 years, and of course you all know my dad died in February, but my MIL who we are living with to take care (87 almost 88) has had a turn for the worst. She barely gets out of bed except to eat, sleeps all day and walking is a chore even with a walker. It's so sad. They did an MRI and we should shortly see if there is something that was missed from her visit to the ER with severe head pain. The nurse talked to us the other day and said that she has all the symptoms of wanting to be ready to go. I really don't need another death again. Any how, hope all are enjoying their summer. Shirley Chris and Kathleen 1/95 the braces twins! "Gerhild S." wrote in message ... W wrote: When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm interested in hearing your experiences. Talking of different types of kids: DD slept through at 10 weeks, DS doesn't reliably even now, at 10+ months, he wakes up at around 2-3 in the morning (and a lot more when he's sick as he was last week). Technically even DS is considered "sleeping through" as he goes to bed at 8-9 pm and gets up at 5-6 pm, so, yes, there *is* an uninterrupted 6-hours period of sleep. However, it does not coincide with mine ;-) |
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It's slow in here!
Jonathan-
I agree, it has been slow around here. Are people on vacation? I miss reading posts so I'm glad you jumped in with this one. When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm interested in hearing your experiences. Jordan slept through the night for the first time when she was 8 weeks old, but the following night she didn't. A week or so later Madison slept through the night once. The day I got them on a schedule (at 3 1/2 months) they started sleeping through the night every night. Congratulations to your DW on her new job! Good luck with the daycare transition. Andrea twin girls-Jordan & Madison 3 yrs. old |
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It's slow in here!
no problem, like I said, I was feeling a bit honery!!
but uh, have you broken down these articles??? The first one admits to only recording data for 1 day per week....and they first classified their sleeping requirements at a FULL 8 hours...then changed it to 6....we already know that 5 hours is considered *sleeping through the night*....and not that my opinion means anything but....I think they started the feedings/recordings WAY too early!!! at 5 and 4 WEEKS!!!??!!! C'mon ... that's barely a month old! ....and roughly crunching numbers...the median for when they began Feeding was 12.2w (2.8months) and the median for Recording was at 17weeks (3.95Mos!) That's quiet a difference when you're talking about babies! And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!....oh my, there's so much to this one....it was based on a video tape, made by other black teens, to be shown to the subject group...Oh, how I want to go on, but you can break it down yourself....I'm losing critical house cleaning time while my twins are sleeping (shame on me!!) lol.....and once I get out of my newsgroup file, it deletes everything I've already read, so I won't be able to come back to this....no, I'm not downloading everything again!! LOL UG, I despise housecleaning!! -- Gwen, Designer Wraps SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02) tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives! www.tobuytwo.com ....auction house for families of multiples (but singletons can use it too!) www.familyauction.com www.wahmall.com www.wahmauctions.com We studied whether feeding infants rice cereal before bedtime promotes their sleeping through the night. One hundred six infants were randomly assigned to begin bedtime cereal feeding (1 tablespoon per ounce in a bottle) at 5 weeks or at 4 months of age. Caretakers recorded the infant's sleep from age 4 to 21 weeks for one 24-hour period per week. Sleeping through the night was defined as sleeping at least 8 consecutive hours, with the majority of time being between the hours of midnight and 6 AM. The results were also reviewed changing the requirement from 8 hours to 6 hours. There was no statistically significant trend or a consistent tendency of one group to have a higher proportion of sleepers than the other. Therefore, feeding infants rice cereal in the bottle before bedtime does not appear to make much difference in their sleeping through the night. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial" And here is some evidence that the general belief in the medical community is against early introduction of solids (I apologize for the condescending tone of this abstract! it isn't mine!): " Pediatrics. 2001 May;107(5):E67. Related Articles, Links Home and videotape intervention delays early complementary feeding among adolescent mothers. Black MM, Siegel EH, Abel Y, Bentley ME. Department of Pediatrics, University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore, Maryland 21201, USA. BACKGROUND: The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary foods. Despite these recommendations, many infants, particularly those with adolescent mothers, receive solid foods (often cereal mixed with formula in a bottle) and liquids other than formula or breast milk in the first few weeks of life. Decisions on early feeding are often guided by grandmothers and influenced by beliefs that infants need complementary food to counteract signals of hunger, reduce crying, and sleep through the night. OBJECTIVE: This investigation evaluated the efficacy of an intervention to delay the early introduction of complementary feeding among first-time, black, adolescent mothers living in multigenerational households. The intervention focused on reducing the cultural barriers to the acceptance of the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics, WIC, and World Health Organization on complementary feeding by highlighting 3 topics: 1) recognition of infants' cues; 2) nonfood strategies for managing infant behavior; and 3) mother-grandmother negotiation strategies. The intervention was delivered through a mentorship model in which a videotape made by an advisory group of black adolescent mothers was incorporated into a home-visiting program and evaluated through a randomized, controlled trial. METHODS: One hundred eighty-one first-time, low-income, black mothers 18 years old, living in multigenerational households were recruited from 3 urban hospitals. Infants were born at term, with birth weight appropriate for gestational age and no congenital problems. Shortly after delivery, mothers and grandmothers completed a baseline assessment and mothers were randomized into an intervention or control group. Intervention group mothers received home visitation every other week for 1 year. At 3 months, a subset of 121 adolescent mothers reported on their infant's intake through a food frequency questionnaire. Mothers who fed their infant only breast milk, formula, or water were classified as optimal feeders. Mothers who provided complementary foods other than breast milk, formula, or water were classified as less optimal feeders. RESULTS: Sixty-one percent of the infants received complementary foods before 3 months old. Multivariate hierarchical logistic regression was used to evaluate the determinants of being in the optimal versus less optimal feeders group. After controlling for infant age and family income, mothers of infants in the optimal feeders group were more likely to report accurate messages from WIC regarding the timing of complementary food and nearly 4 times more likely to be in the intervention group. The most common complementary food was cereal mixed with formula in the bottle. CONCLUSIONS: The success of this relatively brief intervention demonstrates the importance of using ecological theory and ethnographic research to design interventions that enable participants to alter their behavior in the face of contradictory cultural norms. The intervention focused on interpreting infants' cues, nonfood methods of managing infant behavior, and mother-grandmother negotiations. It was delivered through methods that were familiar and acceptable to adolescent mothers-a mentorship model incorporating home visits and videotape. The skill-oriented aspects of the intervention delivered in a culturally sensitive context may have enabled the young mothers to follow the guidelines that they received from WIC and from their pediatricians. Strategies, such as those used in this intervention, may be effective in promoting other caregiving recommendations, thereby enabling providers to meet the increasing demands from parents for advice regarding children's early growth and development. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Multicenter Study Randomized Controlled Trial " |
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It's slow in here!
Gwen ) wrote:
And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!. I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it sounded stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary foods." That was the part I was focusing on. --Helen |
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It's slow in here!
lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best used elsewhere! -- Gwen, Designer Wraps SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02) tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives! www.tobuytwo.com ....auction house for families of multiples (but singletons can use it too!) www.familyauction.com www.wahmall.com www.wahmauctions.com "H Schinske" wrote in message ... Gwen ) wrote: And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!. I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it sounded stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary foods." That was the part I was focusing on. --Helen |
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It's slow in here!
lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best used elsewhere! -- Gwen, Designer Wraps SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02) tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives! www.tobuytwo.com ....auction house for families of multiples (but singletons can use it too!) www.familyauction.com www.wahmall.com www.wahmauctions.com "H Schinske" wrote in message ... Gwen ) wrote: And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!. I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it sounded stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary foods." That was the part I was focusing on. --Helen |
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It's slow in here!
lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best used elsewhere! -- Gwen, Designer Wraps SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02) tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives! www.tobuytwo.com ....auction house for families of multiples (but singletons can use it too!) www.familyauction.com www.wahmall.com www.wahmauctions.com "H Schinske" wrote in message ... Gwen ) wrote: And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!. I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it sounded stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary foods." That was the part I was focusing on. --Helen |
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It's slow in here!
lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best used elsewhere! -- Gwen, Designer Wraps SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02) tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives! www.tobuytwo.com ....auction house for families of multiples (but singletons can use it too!) www.familyauction.com www.wahmall.com www.wahmauctions.com "H Schinske" wrote in message ... Gwen ) wrote: And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!. I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it sounded stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary foods." That was the part I was focusing on. --Helen |
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It's slow in here!
lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best used elsewhere! -- Gwen, Designer Wraps SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02) tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives! www.tobuytwo.com ....auction house for families of multiples (but singletons can use it too!) www.familyauction.com www.wahmall.com www.wahmauctions.com "H Schinske" wrote in message ... Gwen ) wrote: And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!. I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it sounded stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary foods." That was the part I was focusing on. --Helen |
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