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how long does it take for your milk to dry up?
"V." wrote in message ... "Anne Rogers" wrote in message I am now on Remeron, which I absolutely love. However, they advised against BF'ing on this particular drug because of the lack of studies. I continue to feed Emily my milk though, because I am taking half of the lowest dose possible. I am taking half of a 15mg tablet in the evening and it is working great now. I'd rather have her on my breast milk for as long as possible. don't know anything about this drug, is it an SSRI? Anne Remeron is a "tetracyclic". (Most antidepressants are SSRIs or "tricyclics".) SSRIs block the reuptake of serotonin, but Remeron blocks the receptors that inhibit the release of serotonin and norepinephrin. So, it sort of takes the brakes off the release of serotonin, resulting in more serotonin in the synapses. SSRIs don't affect the release of serotonin, but instead stop it from being "reabsorbed", which also results in higher levels in the synapses. Two different ways of getting the same result, but each works better for different people. It's been around awhile, but can have more side effects than SSRIs so it's not used as much. IIRC it tends to make people more drowsy than SSRIs. Tricyclics work much the same way as SSRIs except that they also effect norepinephrine, so if your depression is related to low norepinephrine levels as well as serotonin, either Remeron or a tricyclic is probably going to work better than an SSRI. Problem is, we don't have ways of measuring which neurotransmitter you need more of, so the only way to tell is by which medication works for you. Everybody gets to be their own guinea pig! HTH, Amy Gosh, thanks! Now I understand it better myself! And I've been on a dozen drugs in my adult life for depression, so I understand being a guinea pig. Remeron has worked the best for me. Betsy |
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how long does it take for your milk to dry up?
"Morag in Oxford" wrote in message ... I wouldn't pump until you're "empty" - just enough to relieve the tenderness/pain. Then your body will gradually get the message to produce less and less. That's exactly what I did. Three days. Jess |
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"oregonchick" wrote: It is not difficult. I just hate the feeling of a baby sucking on my breast. I also hate the feeling of a pump sucking on my breast, but marginally less. What's odd to me is that I've never felt a sucking sensation, and I am now BFing my second child. I fell let-down sometimes, but not *sucking*. The baby's mouth feels warm, that's all. Are you sure that your baby was latched on properly? -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "In Melbourne there is plenty of vigour and eagerness, but there is nothing worth being eager or vigorous about." Francis Adams, The Australians, 1893. |
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how long does it take for your milk to dry up?
Sidheag and Anne are both being much more polite than I am on this one.
You need a good smack upside the head. There are many, many women out there who would kill to be in your position. You have a fabulous milk supply and no obvious latch problems. You've set up a great situation where you have lots of help, you get exercise, and seem to be getting enough sleep. And now you want to give up? It seems to me that you simply have unrealistic expectations of motherhood. After you have a baby, life does not center around you anymore. As a friend of mine put it, when it's just you and DH, you're in a relationship where each person has one vote. When you have a baby, you add a person with 18 votes. It's nothing but compromise. Many women are willing to give up aspects of their old lives permanently or temporarily because they receive great joy from their babies. I don't think you've reached the point where you really like your baby yet. It took me more than 6 weeks and I don't have clinical PPD. Furthermore, it seems you're doing everything you can to avoid bonding with your baby. There's a whole bunch of things that you don't like about bf'ing-- having a baby suck on your breast, having your boobs hang out, having a baby dependent on you (the baby *is* dependent on you, what you makes you think otherwise?), pumping outside of your home, can't take your preferred tricyclic, you're hungry all the time... and the list goes on. You've put yourself in an impossible situation of dislikes where the only reasonable option is to stop pumping. What mother has not had to do something she didn't like? One of the reasons that you gave for stopping pumping is it interferred with your ski trips and you don't like pumping in the car. How long are you away for anyways? You're only pumping 3-4 times a day and by my calculations, that's 6-8 hours between pumping. Is that not enough? I'm sure having a day away and time for yourself helps with the PPD, and that's important too. Consider yourself lucky that you have enough support to go skiing and you can afford to go skiing. Many mothers are back at work after 6 weeks. You can't go more than 30 minutes on your elliptical trainer? How long do you want to go anyways? And how often? And what are you trying to achieve? Good cardiovascular health can be achieved with 20-30 minutes 3x per week. Be realististic, 30 minutes is a long time for a 6-week old and if she can be quiet for that long, she's doing really well. And what is your other child doing during this? BTW, the elliptical trainer burns more calories than almost any other exercise machine. One hour of this will burn 500 calories easily, which is competitive with the amount of energy that you're putting in to breastmilk. Every bf'ing woman that I've talked to has trouble eating enough. This goes double for you because you put out so much milk. Let's put this into perspective. Your baby was not premature, she doesn't have any diseases, and she is growing well. That's a lot to be grateful for. Yes, you've had problems with PPD, thrush, and cracked nipples at the beginning. Who hasn't? I have been bf'ing for 3.5 months and 1 week of that has been pain-free. No one ever said motherhood would be easy and anyone who did was lying. Babyhood and childhood go by quickly, and I often say thank goodness for that. But there are moments in there to treasure because there are no second chances. Five months of breast milk is a great start and I'm sure that your baby will be fine. It's the other aspects of your relationship with her that need help. Susan Sidheag McCormack wrote: oregonchick writes: I am working on stopping the pumping altogether. I just don't want to do this routine anymore. I won't go back to breastfeeding either, so I'm trying to "dry up". But I have no idea on how to go about it. I am only pumping every 6-8 hrs, but still put out over 16 oz every time, which is almost double what she eats. I can't stop cold turkey, the engorgement is unbearable. Is there a "method" for stopping breastfeeding? I haven't anything to add to what the others have said on the actual question, but since you *haven't* in fact had a lot of people giving reasons for not stopping... I wonder whether you would at least consider taking two or three weeks to have a(nother) serious try at getting your PPD treated, before you give up? I'd hate you to give up pumping and then find you feel no better, because the pumping wasn't actually the problem. (You should not have to stop feeding to take PPD meds: if your doctor tells you to do this, you need a new doctor, IMHO.) Also, I saw that elsewhere you asked questions about burning calories by exercising. If that's a concern, giving up pumping makes no sense - with a new baby, there's no way you'll get enough exercising time to burn remotely as many calories as you're currently burning to make milk. I think it's also possible that having this concern so early is itself because of the PPD, so to me it's another red flag. (Of course, I accept that exercising has many benefits besides burning calories - but then so does breastfeeding, or pumping milk for your baby!) Sidheag DS Colin Oct 27 2003 |
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"Anne Rogers" ) writes:
Well, like I said, every 6-8 hrs, so sometimes only 3 times in 24 hrs... sorry I missed that, so instead of cutting one out, I would only pump 14 oz each time and then 12 and so on Yes, that sounds right. First, gradually reduce the amount you pump. Doesn't even have to be that gradual, maybe. Then, once your breasts are accustomed to a much smaller amount, it will be easier to go longer between pumping sessions. You can go down to pumping a small amount twice a day, then pumping a small amount once a day, then maybe stop or do once per two days once or twice. I've seen the advice to pump just enough to relieve engorgement: maybe only pump one or two ounces, and later on maybe just a few drops. It might be excessive to suddenly reduce the amount that much, though. Re PPD: for depression in general, I really recommend the book "10 Days to Self-Esteem" by David Burns. Vitamin C is good, too. Re not liking the feel of baby nursing: one thing that might help is taking choline supplements. Choline is needed by the part of the nervous system that ignores unwanted stimuli (either the sympathetic or parasympathetic, I can never remember which). It seems to help me with things like being able to concentrate while ignoring noises. Another thing that might help is having a good latch, with baby's mouth open very wide. |
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Chookie ) writes:
What's odd to me is that I've never felt a sucking sensation, and I am now BFing my second child. I fell let-down sometimes, but not *sucking*. The baby's mouth feels warm, that's all. Are you sure that your baby was latched on properly? One problem with some babies is that they were given a bottle early on, sometimes before the first nursing. This tends to affect the way they suckle. Ability and style of suckling/latching will also vary from baby to baby whether they had a bottle or not. Latching the baby properly, with extremely wide-open mouth, leads to a lot less irritation of the nipple. Tender nipples also depend on the hormonal state of the mother. Nipples tend to be tender in the first few days and weeks after the baby is born; much more tender if nursing while pregnant; tender during menstrual periods, etc. There may be drugs or herbs that would affect nipple tenderness one way or the other. I think pumps are usually harder on nipples than babies, (not sure about that,) so maybe the baby has an unusually strong suck. |
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I believe bonding with the baby really helps to cure
post-partum depression. At first, a mother with extreme PPD may feel that it's meaningless and empty to spend time holding the baby, looking at the baby, carrying the baby around, stroking and kissing the baby. But if she makes the effort to do these actions anyway, what tends to happen is that within a few days, the actions begin to feel more and more loving. As those loving feelings develop, the PPD tends to go away. One theory of post-partum depression is that somehow the mother's body has gotten the message that her baby has died. When giving birth she was all primed to bond with a baby, but if that bonding was interfered with somehow (drugs, baby taken into another room, etc.) then she reacts with grief at an emotional, physical level even if intellectually she knows that her baby is alive and well. However, bonding can happen at any time. It can be a gradual process based on deliberately spending time holding baby, watching baby smile, etc. |
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how long does it take for your milk to dry up?
After reading your email, I've decided that I probably shouldn't have had
this baby in the first place. My older daughter is 8, and I never intended to have another one. However, my husband is childless, and I wanted him to have the experience of being a parent, even though it was something he and I both knew I wasn't very keen on. Thanks for all your help. "Benevolent Prof" wrote in message oups.com... Sidheag and Anne are both being much more polite than I am on this one. You need a good smack upside the head. There are many, many women out there who would kill to be in your position. You have a fabulous milk supply and no obvious latch problems. You've set up a great situation where you have lots of help, you get exercise, and seem to be getting enough sleep. And now you want to give up? It seems to me that you simply have unrealistic expectations of motherhood. After you have a baby, life does not center around you anymore. As a friend of mine put it, when it's just you and DH, you're in a relationship where each person has one vote. When you have a baby, you add a person with 18 votes. It's nothing but compromise. Many women are willing to give up aspects of their old lives permanently or temporarily because they receive great joy from their babies. I don't think you've reached the point where you really like your baby yet. It took me more than 6 weeks and I don't have clinical PPD. Furthermore, it seems you're doing everything you can to avoid bonding with your baby. There's a whole bunch of things that you don't like about bf'ing-- having a baby suck on your breast, having your boobs hang out, having a baby dependent on you (the baby *is* dependent on you, what you makes you think otherwise?), pumping outside of your home, can't take your preferred tricyclic, you're hungry all the time... and the list goes on. You've put yourself in an impossible situation of dislikes where the only reasonable option is to stop pumping. What mother has not had to do something she didn't like? One of the reasons that you gave for stopping pumping is it interferred with your ski trips and you don't like pumping in the car. How long are you away for anyways? You're only pumping 3-4 times a day and by my calculations, that's 6-8 hours between pumping. Is that not enough? I'm sure having a day away and time for yourself helps with the PPD, and that's important too. Consider yourself lucky that you have enough support to go skiing and you can afford to go skiing. Many mothers are back at work after 6 weeks. You can't go more than 30 minutes on your elliptical trainer? How long do you want to go anyways? And how often? And what are you trying to achieve? Good cardiovascular health can be achieved with 20-30 minutes 3x per week. Be realististic, 30 minutes is a long time for a 6-week old and if she can be quiet for that long, she's doing really well. And what is your other child doing during this? BTW, the elliptical trainer burns more calories than almost any other exercise machine. One hour of this will burn 500 calories easily, which is competitive with the amount of energy that you're putting in to breastmilk. Every bf'ing woman that I've talked to has trouble eating enough. This goes double for you because you put out so much milk. Let's put this into perspective. Your baby was not premature, she doesn't have any diseases, and she is growing well. That's a lot to be grateful for. Yes, you've had problems with PPD, thrush, and cracked nipples at the beginning. Who hasn't? I have been bf'ing for 3.5 months and 1 week of that has been pain-free. No one ever said motherhood would be easy and anyone who did was lying. Babyhood and childhood go by quickly, and I often say thank goodness for that. But there are moments in there to treasure because there are no second chances. Five months of breast milk is a great start and I'm sure that your baby will be fine. It's the other aspects of your relationship with her that need help. Susan Sidheag McCormack wrote: oregonchick writes: I am working on stopping the pumping altogether. I just don't want to do this routine anymore. I won't go back to breastfeeding either, so I'm trying to "dry up". But I have no idea on how to go about it. I am only pumping every 6-8 hrs, but still put out over 16 oz every time, which is almost double what she eats. I can't stop cold turkey, the engorgement is unbearable. Is there a "method" for stopping breastfeeding? I haven't anything to add to what the others have said on the actual question, but since you *haven't* in fact had a lot of people giving reasons for not stopping... I wonder whether you would at least consider taking two or three weeks to have a(nother) serious try at getting your PPD treated, before you give up? I'd hate you to give up pumping and then find you feel no better, because the pumping wasn't actually the problem. (You should not have to stop feeding to take PPD meds: if your doctor tells you to do this, you need a new doctor, IMHO.) Also, I saw that elsewhere you asked questions about burning calories by exercising. If that's a concern, giving up pumping makes no sense - with a new baby, there's no way you'll get enough exercising time to burn remotely as many calories as you're currently burning to make milk. I think it's also possible that having this concern so early is itself because of the PPD, so to me it's another red flag. (Of course, I accept that exercising has many benefits besides burning calories - but then so does breastfeeding, or pumping milk for your baby!) Sidheag DS Colin Oct 27 2003 |
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After reading your email, I've decided that I probably shouldn't have had
this baby in the first place. Well, unfortunately for the innocent involved, you did anyway. So instead of whining about how it's so haaaard to deal with pumping or childcare when you want to ski or do the elliptical (neither of which are exactly activities which take priority to your child's welfare), maybe you can decide to deal with the responsibility and either parent the baby properly, or find people who can. No child deserves to grow up with a detached, resentful mother. tristyn |
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RE how long does it take for your milk to dry up?
"tristyn" wrote in message Well, unfortunately for the innocent involved, you did anyway. So instead of whining about how it's so haaaard to deal with pumping or childcare when you want to ski or do the elliptical (neither of which are exactly activities which take priority to your child's welfare), maybe you can decide to deal with the responsibility and either parent the baby properly, or find people who can. No child deserves to grow up with a detached, resentful mother. tristyn You know, I wasn't serious when I posted that. I'm just sick of the people who act as though they know the RIGHT way, the ONLY way, and everyone else is wrong. I am not a natural mother. This has been very difficult for me to adjust to. I've had alot of depression since having the baby. I had decided long ago that I wasn't having any more children, until I met and married my husband. And changing my entire life again for a newborn has taken a real toll. But...I am doing my best. Even though I don't like it, I have put my daughter's needs first. And I am still pumping away, morning noon and night to make sure she has the best possible nutrition. But I have been able to somewhat tailor the pumping schedule around my "life". Yes, I have chosen to continue to have my own life. I am selfish. It is the only thing that keeps me sane, in the middle of the night when I rock her and she just won't sleep, and all those other times I ask myself, "why did I do this again?" Working out, on my elliptical or skiing, IS a priority, which provides me with an outlet for my frustrations, gives me energy and vitality, makes me feel good, gets me outside and basically gives me the strength to be a mom. I ski and work out about 15 hrs a week. The other 99.9% of my life is dedicated to and revolves around everyone else - my baby, my other daughter, my husband, the dogs, and the piles of laundry and dirty dishes and messy house. Beyond and outside of those recreational activities, I don't have a life beyond a wife and mother. I don't feel guilty for how I feel, or what I've said. I know I am not the only woman who has decided with some reluctance to have another baby later in life, and have had major struggles with those decisions. Betsy |
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