Step right up, Dennis ...

Betty Wirsen wrote
No no, Gregg never said he beat her, he said that he was trying to shove
psych meds down her throat when she refused to take them.

Nope. Never took place.
She did accuse me of threatening that, to a Police Sgt.
I admitted the threat and the Police Sgt. cussed HER out.
He was NOT sympathetic with an extreme Bipolar who
won't take her friggin' psych meds.

Did you think the cops LIKE taking her to the rubber room
every time she decides not to take her psych meds?

Look at it this way, Betty, Do you know how dangerous
it is for a severe bipolar to be off their meds?

When she's naked running down a snowy street and the
Cops have to hog tie her to take her to the rubber room
don't you think that's worse than her husband forcing her
to take her psych meds?

"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
Betty Wirsen wrote
No no, Gregg never said he beat her, he said that he was trying to shove
psych meds down her throat when she refused to take them.

Nope. Never took place.
She did accuse me of threatening that, to a Police Sgt.
I admitted the threat and the Police Sgt. cussed HER out.
He was NOT sympathetic with an extreme Bipolar who
won't take her friggin' psych meds.

That's part of the disorder Greg.
Sypathetic or not, it's common place for Bipolars to refuse meds.


Did you think the cops LIKE taking her to the rubber room
every time she decides not to take her psych meds?

Like it or no, that's their job.


Look at it this way, Betty, Do you know how dangerous
it is for a severe bipolar to be off their meds?

Ummmm. Yeah. I'm pretty certain that I do, considering that two of my
children are bipolar manic depressives.


When she's naked running down a snowy street and the
Cops have to hog tie her to take her to the rubber room
don't you think that's worse than her husband forcing her
to take her psych meds?

You did not have the right.
And when it was my child I did not have the right.

If I cannot force meds on my child, whom I am to protect and care for and
have custody of, then how would it be appropriate for YOU to do so with your
wife?

I know very well what it's like to live with a bipolar. Imagine if that
were not your wife whom you could have comitted, or simply divorce and walk
away from. Imagine if that was your child.

Coming home from work to broken out windows, holes in the walls, dishes
busted, other children with marks from being attacked, a spouse who was
'nutted' by your mentally ill child, beds that have been ripped to shreds,
neighbors constantly hounding you with accusations of 'abuse', fear of
cutting herself, getting pregnant, disappearing for days or weeks or months
at a time, false police and DFS reports, phone ringing all hours of the day
and night and on and on and on it goes until you have no life of your own.
Your life is nothing more than guarding a mentally ill child whom you cannot
take your eyes off of for a second without hell breaking loose, and cannot
force to take medications that would make things at least somewhat better.
You cannot have company over because you are afraid that an episode will
erupt in their presence. You cannot go grocery shopping, who knows what
they will do in the store? You cannot go to school or work when they are in
'rage', you cannot do ANYTHING BUT BE THERE 24/7 looking at them constantly
and being ready to manage the next wave of attacks.

Am I to now understand that you UNDERSTAND my past position with my
daughter...or is she still a product of bad rearing in your mind?

You are no better than me, Greg, and certainly not more informed about the
inner workings of this particular mental disorder.
The only difference between us is that I stayed and took care of my mentally
ill family no matter what it cost me...grandchild, marriage, family, home,
money...didn't matter.

You got a divorce and walked away.

Talk about a gem out of a manure pit.

Betty Wirsen wrote
No no, Gregg never said he beat her, he said that he was trying to shove
psych meds down her throat when she refused to take them.

Greg wrote Nope. Never took place.
She did accuse me of threatening that, to a Police Sgt.
I admitted the threat and the Police Sgt. cussed HER out.
He was NOT sympathetic with an extreme Bipolar who
won't take her friggin' psych meds.

Betty wrote
That's part of the disorder Greg.
[Sympathetic] or not, it's common place for Bipolars to refuse meds.

Not ONLY bipolars and "refusing" meds is often the wrong term.
Telling lies about taking them, cheeking them, deception...

G Did you think the cops LIKE taking her to the rubber room
every time she decides not to take her psych meds?

Betty wrote Like it or no, that's their job.

I'm sure they appreciate you increasing that burden.

G Look at it this way, Betty, Do you know how dangerous
it is for a severe bipolar to be off their meds?

Betty wrote
Ummmm. Yeah. I'm pretty certain that I do, considering
that two of my children are bipolar manic depressives.

And yourself, correct?

Greg wrote When she's naked running down a snowy street
and the Cops have to hog tie her to take her to the rubber
room don't you think that's worse than her husband forcing
her to take her psych meds?

Betty wrote You did not have the right.
And when it was my child I did not have the right.

If I cannot force meds on my child, whom I am to
protect and care for and have custody of, then how
would it be appropriate for YOU to do so with your
wife?

I doubt any jury in the USA would convict either one.

I know very well what it's like to live with a bipolar.
Imagine if that were not your wife whom you could
have comitted, or simply divorce and walk
away from. Imagine if that was your child.

If only it was that easy to commit her.
Her son who could not write her off got
quite an education.

The nasty MIL thought she could PRE EMPTIVELY
get her daughter on Lithium Carbonate at age 11.
Fortunately the child psychiatrist would not do it.



Coming home from work to broken out windows, holes in the walls, dishes
busted, other children with marks from being attacked, a spouse who was
'nutted' by your mentally ill child, beds that have been ripped to shreds,
neighbors constantly hounding you with accusations of 'abuse', fear of
cutting herself, getting pregnant, disappearing for days or weeks or months
at a time, false police and DFS reports, phone ringing all hours of the day
and night and on and on and on it goes until you have no life of your own.

Actually sounds very familiar, except you had a spouse for emotional
support.

Massive destruction of property, economically crippling money wastes..

For Thanksgiving she thought you could put a 20 Lb turkey
in the oven for 30 minutes, and when she found out it takes
more like 4 hours to bake it she threw it out the kitchen window
right through the glass and window screen!

I have two lasting mental images of that.

1. What I actually saw from my perspective
2. What a nearby neighbor would have seen if they looked out!
(Can ya imagine being out in your yard and hearing and seeing that??)

The carcass would not be salvageable because of broken glass.

Your life is nothing more than guarding a mentally ill child whom you cannot
take your eyes off of for a second without hell breaking loose, and cannot
force to take medications that would make things at least somewhat better.

Who exactly told you you could not force medicate?

You cannot have company over because you are afraid that an episode will
erupt in their presence. You cannot go grocery shopping, who knows what
they will do in the store? You cannot go to school or work when they are in
'rage', you cannot do ANYTHING BUT BE THERE 24/7 looking at them constantly
and being ready to manage the next wave of attacks.

For one stretch of months, my ex was awake only about 3 hours
per day, which was only partially a break for me because it was like
waiting for an unpredictable volcano to erupt.

She burned up all the gasoline with stupid stalking behavior
and for many months her son and I bundled up for a 1 mile
walk to the only bus connection that worked timewise.

Am I to now understand that you UNDERSTAND my past
position with my daughter...or is she still a product of
bad rearing in your mind?

Uncertain because my ex's mother was as psycho as
they can get, but never diagnosed, and I genuinely
have to wonder how the older undocumented psycho
could have possibly NOT had anything to do with the
younger documented psycho.
The severe personality disorders part was blatantly connected.
There is some information now that environment can
actually warp or change the human brain physically.
The kinds of stuff I heard from the MIL and about the MIL
sound like good candidates for environmental brain damage.

You are no better than me, Greg,

You run with the hyenas, and you make their noises.
It's obvious you have a fragile ego.
Your photo gives it away.

I could have "put on aires" but I never chose to.
Does my ego seem fragile?

and certainly not more informed about the
inner workings of this particular mental disorder.
The only difference between us is that I stayed and took
care of my mentally ill family no matter what it cost me...
grandchild, marriage, family, home, money...didn't matter.

You put yourself on a cross!
You gave up a grandchild??

Even with strong blood ties, I do believe there is a point
where the kid should have simply been committed long term
and visited.

Remember those kids Kane once bragged he watched
in an institution?

Remember the Kid that got abused in Cherokee Mental Health Institute?

To me it's a lot like when somebody really needs to
go to a nursing home. Sure you can turn your home
halfway into a nursing home so they don't have to go,
but keeping a mental vegetable at home is a bit much.

It sounds like you went way too far with at least one kid.

(Kane, Where would YOU draw the line with not
institutionalizing a kid like that?)

Was the older one you popped also Bipolar?

You got a divorce and walked away.

I didn't have much of a choice.

Talk about a gem out of a manure pit.

Has CPS ever argued that you were obsessed with
your mentally ill child? Did they ever try the
"enmeshed personality" psychobabble on you?

You gave up all that for the kid and to CPS the kid
would have been a FUNDING SOURCE.

Granted, the kid was less attractive to them because
she was not very adoptable.

But then, DAN SAVED YOU!! ROFL!

"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
Betty Wirsen wrote
No no, Gregg never said he beat her, he said that he was trying to shove
psych meds down her throat when she refused to take them.

Greg wrote Nope. Never took place.
She did accuse me of threatening that, to a Police Sgt.
I admitted the threat and the Police Sgt. cussed HER out.
He was NOT sympathetic with an extreme Bipolar who
won't take her friggin' psych meds.

Betty wrote
That's part of the disorder Greg.
[Sympathetic] or not, it's common place for Bipolars to refuse meds.

Not ONLY bipolars and "refusing" meds is often the wrong term.
Telling lies about taking them, cheeking them, deception...

Oh dear me, I THOUGHT we were talking about bipolars, NOT others with mental
illness.


G Did you think the cops LIKE taking her to the rubber room
every time she decides not to take her psych meds?

Betty wrote Like it or no, that's their job.

I'm sure they appreciate you increasing that burden.

Me? LOL I'm not the one with the nut case wife, and appreciate or not, it
IS their job.


G Look at it this way, Betty, Do you know how dangerous
it is for a severe bipolar to be off their meds?

Betty wrote
Ummmm. Yeah. I'm pretty certain that I do, considering
that two of my children are bipolar manic depressives.

And yourself, correct?

Hardly.


Greg wrote When she's naked running down a snowy street
and the Cops have to hog tie her to take her to the rubber
room don't you think that's worse than her husband forcing
her to take her psych meds?

Betty wrote You did not have the right.
And when it was my child I did not have the right.

If I cannot force meds on my child, whom I am to
protect and care for and have custody of, then how
would it be appropriate for YOU to do so with your
wife?

I doubt any jury in the USA would convict either one.

You doubt too much. But then again, you are also the guy who thinks that
being able to train a cat to do tricks makes you an expert at child rearing.


I know very well what it's like to live with a bipolar.
Imagine if that were not your wife whom you could
have comitted, or simply divorce and walk
away from. Imagine if that was your child.

If only it was that easy to commit her.
Her son who could not write her off got
quite an education.

The nasty MIL thought she could PRE EMPTIVELY
get her daughter on Lithium Carbonate at age 11.
Fortunately the child psychiatrist would not do it.



Coming home from work to broken out windows, holes in the walls, dishes
busted, other children with marks from being attacked, a spouse who was
'nutted' by your mentally ill child, beds that have been ripped to
shreds,
neighbors constantly hounding you with accusations of 'abuse', fear of
cutting herself, getting pregnant, disappearing for days or weeks or
months
at a time, false police and DFS reports, phone ringing all hours of the
day
and night and on and on and on it goes until you have no life of your
own.

Actually sounds very familiar, except you had a spouse for emotional
support.

I did?
How might you know what I had?
And let's not forget, I also had other children to take care of...she was
not my only responsibility.


Massive destruction of property, economically crippling money wastes..

For Thanksgiving she thought you could put a 20 Lb turkey
in the oven for 30 minutes, and when she found out it takes
more like 4 hours to bake it she threw it out the kitchen window
right through the glass and window screen!

I have two lasting mental images of that.

1. What I actually saw from my perspective
2. What a nearby neighbor would have seen if they looked out!
(Can ya imagine being out in your yard and hearing and seeing that??)

The carcass would not be salvageable because of broken glass.

So what? You got a busted windo and a ruined turkey.
The next year your turkey was ok, wasn't it?
And, let's not forget, YOU chose to marry her even knowing that she was
mentally disabled at 11.


Your life is nothing more than guarding a mentally ill child whom you
cannot
take your eyes off of for a second without hell breaking loose, and
cannot
force to take medications that would make things at least somewhat
better.

Who exactly told you you could not force medicate?

Who, exactly, told you that you couldn't?


You cannot have company over because you are afraid that an episode will
erupt in their presence. You cannot go grocery shopping, who knows what
they will do in the store? You cannot go to school or work when they are
in
'rage', you cannot do ANYTHING BUT BE THERE 24/7 looking at them
constantly
and being ready to manage the next wave of attacks.

For one stretch of months, my ex was awake only about 3 hours
per day, which was only partially a break for me because it was like
waiting for an unpredictable volcano to erupt.

No ****? And you think that you are the only person who ever felt that way?


She burned up all the gasoline with stupid stalking behavior
and for many months her son and I bundled up for a 1 mile
walk to the only bus connection that worked timewise.

Am I to now understand that you UNDERSTAND my past
position with my daughter...or is she still a product of
bad rearing in your mind?

Uncertain because my ex's mother was as psycho as
they can get, but never diagnosed, and I genuinely
have to wonder how the older undocumented psycho
could have possibly NOT had anything to do with the
younger documented psycho.

You can wonder about them, but don't wonder about me.
I cleaned my habits and selfish ways up very young.
My daughter was the perfect child with perfect attendance and perfect grades
and a perfect outlook for most of her youth.
That was while *I* raised her alone.
When others got into the picture that all changed.

The severe personality disorders part was blatantly connected.
There is some information now that environment can
actually warp or change the human brain physically.
The kinds of stuff I heard from the MIL and about the MIL
sound like good candidates for environmental brain damage.

You are no better than me, Greg,

You run with the hyenas, and you make their noises.
It's obvious you have a fragile ego.
Your photo gives it away.

LOL In what way? I don't have an ego.
Your's, however, is overinflated.


I could have "put on aires" but I never chose to.
Does my ego seem fragile?

LOL


and certainly not more informed about the
inner workings of this particular mental disorder.
The only difference between us is that I stayed and took
care of my mentally ill family no matter what it cost me...
grandchild, marriage, family, home, money...didn't matter.

You put yourself on a cross!

You think so? It feels very good, now that my children are grown, for them
to tell me how much they appreciate the things in life hat I have given up
for them. They respect me. It seems that it's all been worthwhile to see
the accomplishments they've made thus far in life, and it's been wonderful
to watch the changes in attitude and personality as they've grown.
I woudn't expect you to understand that.

You gave up a grandchild??

Even with strong blood ties, I do believe there is a point
where the kid should have simply been committed long term
and visited.

You may believe that as you see fit.
THAT is the reason that I don't think much of you.
No parent worth the salt on their potato would just give up that easy.
Again, I don't expect you to understand that.


Remember those kids Kane once bragged he watched
in an institution?

Remember the Kid that got abused in Cherokee Mental Health Institute?

To me it's a lot like when somebody really needs to
go to a nursing home. Sure you can turn your home
halfway into a nursing home so they don't have to go,
but keeping a mental vegetable at home is a bit much.

And THAT simply shows your lack of ability to love and carry compassion for
others.
I bet you'd have a stroke to learn that there are people out there....people
I respect a great deal who, like my aunt, disabled to the point of almost
not being able to walk themselves, who would take care of their own ailing
parents until they died just to keep them out of a nursing home.
Selfless love and devotion.
Yes. I KNOW you don't understand that.


It sounds like you went way too far with at least one kid.

Think what you may, it was my duty both as the parent responsible for her
and as a mother who loves her.
You'd never know that because no child calls you 'daddy'.


(Kane, Where would YOU draw the line with not
institutionalizing a kid like that?)

Was the older one you popped also Bipolar?

You got a divorce and walked away.

I didn't have much of a choice.

Talk about a gem out of a manure pit.

Has CPS ever argued that you were obsessed with
your mentally ill child? Did they ever try the
"enmeshed personality" psychobabble on you?

Nope. My action were appropriate.
Obviously your's weren't with your wife...you got a DA, not me.


You gave up all that for the kid and to CPS the kid
would have been a FUNDING SOURCE.

What's your point?


Granted, the kid was less attractive to them because
she was not very adoptable.

But then, DAN SAVED YOU!! ROFL!

My but you ARE the smart ass.
Too bad you don't listen to Dan, and Kane a bit more often.
Their advice is valuable, and their outlook is golden.

G You gave up a grandchild??

Betty, Please explain how this selfless love and devotion to one
child who shoulda been institutionalized was worth giving up a
grandchild?

Greg wrote To me it's a lot like when somebody really
needs to go to a nursing home. Sure you can turn your home
halfway into a nursing home so they don't have to go,
but keeping a mental vegetable at home is a bit much.

Betty wrote
And THAT simply shows your lack of ability to love and carry compassion for
others.
I bet you'd have a stroke to learn that there are people out there....people
I respect a great deal who, like my aunt, disabled to the point of almost
not being able to walk themselves, who would take care of their own ailing
parents until they died just to keep them out of a nursing home.
Selfless love and devotion.
Yes. I KNOW you don't understand that.

Is it really "selfless love and devotion" even when you
sacrificed your grandchild? How is that not OBSESSION?

It sounds like you went way too far with at least one kid.

CPS could have EASILY decided you were obsessed.

In the end, did the two bipolar kids end up loose in the world?

Did you really keep both bipolar kids out of institutions?

When you can no longer provide constant supervision,
who will watch them?

Greegor wrote:
G You gave up a grandchild??

Betty, Please explain how this selfless love and devotion to one
child who shoulda been institutionalized was worth giving up a
grandchild?

What ARE you babbling about now, oh delusional one?

0:-


Greg wrote To me it's a lot like when somebody really
needs to go to a nursing home. Sure you can turn your home
halfway into a nursing home so they don't have to go,
but keeping a mental vegetable at home is a bit much.

Betty wrote
And THAT simply shows your lack of ability to love and carry compassion for
others.
I bet you'd have a stroke to learn that there are people out there....people
I respect a great deal who, like my aunt, disabled to the point of almost
not being able to walk themselves, who would take care of their own ailing
parents until they died just to keep them out of a nursing home.
Selfless love and devotion.
Yes. I KNOW you don't understand that.

Is it really "selfless love and devotion" even when you
sacrificed your grandchild? How is that not OBSESSION?

It sounds like you went way too far with at least one kid.

CPS could have EASILY decided you were obsessed.

In the end, did the two bipolar kids end up loose in the world?

Did you really keep both bipolar kids out of institutions?

When you can no longer provide constant supervision,
who will watch them?

Greegor wrote:
G You gave up a grandchild??

Betty, Please explain how this selfless love and devotion to one
child who shoulda been institutionalized was worth giving up a
grandchild?

Greg, I don't expect you to understand this because you are obviously
neither a parent, nor a grandparent, but one child is mine, the other
is not.
My first responsibility is to my children.


Greg wrote To me it's a lot like when somebody really
needs to go to a nursing home. Sure you can turn your home
halfway into a nursing home so they don't have to go,
but keeping a mental vegetable at home is a bit much.

Betty wrote
And THAT simply shows your lack of ability to love and carry compassion for
others.
I bet you'd have a stroke to learn that there are people out there....people
I respect a great deal who, like my aunt, disabled to the point of almost
not being able to walk themselves, who would take care of their own ailing
parents until they died just to keep them out of a nursing home.
Selfless love and devotion.
Yes. I KNOW you don't understand that.

Is it really "selfless love and devotion" even when you
sacrificed your grandchild? How is that not OBSESSION?

Are you insane? Your question makes it clear that you believe that any
mother who places their child first is obsessed. Fruit cake.
I don't suppose we have to wonder what kind of woman Lisa Watkins is
anymore.


It sounds like you went way too far with at least one kid.

CPS could have EASILY decided you were obsessed.

Easily...had I been even a teensy-weensy tiny bit.
Fortunately, I was not.


In the end, did the two bipolar kids end up loose in the world?

Well gee, Greg, you kinda seem to make it sound like you believe that
bipolar disorder makes one a threat to society.
A little biased, are we?


Did you really keep both bipolar kids out of institutions?

Why would a child with bipolar disorder need to be in an institution?


When you can no longer provide constant supervision,
who will watch them?

You seem to believe that a bipolar cannot manage the disorder without
being watched.
You must have had a rapid cycler on your hands to have gotten those
insane ideas.

0:- wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Kane posts some horror stories and pretends they
are the average types of cases CPS deals with.
It's called Demagoguery.

I don't think a single case I posted about was a CPS case, Gagg. All
were police cases.

The only possible contact with CPS would be to shelter the children.
Although they might have been where the first evidence was found, when
children were seen for other reasons.

CPS is often required to both house the child victims, and proceed with
providing services...services like rehab, accompanying them to exams
and interviews by professionals.

Little things like that.

Surely if the police are finding and charging the children, all in a
family, need to be afforded those services, including investigative
that CPS is charged with doing.


Some jerkwad does the old hillbilly incest thing

"Some jerkwad?" Gagg, incest is a much more prevailent problem than
just in the "hills." If you read the stories you'd see that the perps
aren't, in fact, any of them, "hillbillies."

Cases openned by the police are bound to have CPS involvement, Greg.

The victims are "children" after all.

It's called Child Protective Services for a reason.

You going to run from ANOTHER discussion Greg, because you were found
to be ignorant and wrong?

Kane



and
Kane thinks it's a good idea for the Child Protection
industry to look at every parent with that cloud of
suspicion.

Nope, only those reported.

You are aware, of course, that CPS cannot go cruising for abusers,
Gagg?

The take calls, not make calls.

Of course to him and other caseworkers
the Constitution is a nuisance, something to overcome.

I'm not a caseworker. I was a mental health worker.

And I'm much more conversant and supportive of the constitution and
it's equal application than you are Gagg.

You don't extend it's protections to children. In fact a lot of you
simple ****ants here don't.


Kane is such an INDUSTRY LOBBYIST that in cases
of serial rape he wants to count each and every incident

Want to bet the victims count each one, and the LAW does as well. It's
on the data keepers that try to lump the incidences into "victim," for
some strange reason, making it all seem a far smaller problem than it
really is.

The more rape a single individual experiences, especially by by those
charged with keeping the victim safe, as children raped by parents
experience, the more trauma, damage, injury, harm takes place.

Usually victims of even violent rape at the hands of strangers
experience far less long term trauma than those raped by parents over
time.

even when unknown how many, primarily for the purpose
of justifying FUNDING for the CPS INDUSTRY.

That's odd. Not a single case I listed had the least to do with CPS.
ALL were criminal cases.

You DO approve of such cases being prosecuted criminally, Gagg, do you
not?

That's what you've claimed in the past.

Then there is that old problem of incest victims often being left with
the perp. Who would you like to provide help for the child in such
cases? The criminal courts themselves turn to the civil courts to
prosecute so the child won't have to go home with the perp.

Think they don't.

Read Vaaches entire article. That IS the problem. Incest perps have
shorter sentences, often NONE, no TIME, served, Graag. They go home.
Who's at home?

The victims, Gagg.

Counting every single act in serial cases would
really serve no other purpose other than to inflate
the statistics and the PR for funding.

That would be for funding the courts, Gragg.

And LE.

Don't you think that would be a good thing, or do you want the courts,
already heavily overloaded, and LE, also very short funded these days,
to not be able to pursue and prosecute cases of incest?

If not why not, Gagg?

You seem inordinately upset about this issue. Why is that?

0:-



0:- wrote:
... and let's see what the real world tells us about parents abusing
their children, eh?

The truth is pretty simple.

While the rate of parents who abuse compared to the total population is
very small indeed, as most parents do a good job of caring for and
protection their children, the few who do not are encouraged by
****ants like you people that continually downplay and or excuse and
thereby protect these dregs of humanity.

And though there are foster parents that abuse, they are far more easy
to catch than bio parents who have protections and the cover of an
unsupervised population.

Here we go then.

Our subject for this post: Sexual abuse, and particularly incest.

This one below points up the fallacy of the "single victim" single
count nonsense. If a child were raped once a year for 10 years, and it
was caught each time, it would result in a count of 10 total. This
child was raped repeatedly for 5 years. Would YOU count one victim? And
ignore that it was likley hundreds of rapes? Of course you would,
Dennis. You are a creep along with your buddies here, past and present.


http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/09/29/incest.html

Father Convicted Of Sex Abuse In Incest Case

Reported by: Deb Silverman
Web produced by: Neil Relyea
Photographed by: 9News
First posted: 9/29/2006 6:01:17 PM

A local teenager says she's relieved, now after years of being forced
to share a bed with her father, he's locked up.

The Mason father plead guilty Friday to having sex with his daughter
for five years.

His daughter says her father not only had sex with his her for years,
but also says he gave her a sexually transmitted disease, got her
pregnant and forced her to have an abortion.

When John Blanks was brought into the Warren County courtroom, his
victim -- his daughter -- broke down.

She says when she turned 18-years-old she couldn't keep the family
secret anymore. ...

Think we're done yet, Dennis? Not hardly.

The following story demonstrates how the "groomer" molester works.

http://sadlynormal.wordpress.com/200...ges-of-incest/

WI - Portage man faces charges of incest November 8, 2006
Posted by Lisa in Wisconsin, US News, The Criminals/Crimes, Family
Perpatrators. trackback

Article

By Mark Boxley, Daily Register

-Backrubs that allegedly escalated into fondling have led to incest
charges against a Portage man, who now faces 40 years in prison.

The man - whose identity is being withheld to protect the identity of
the victim, who is a minor - is free on a $10,000 signature bond
after appearing in court Wednesday.

The man is charged with fondling his daughter on numerous occasions
over the past six months.

According to court documents, the victim told police that her father
has given her backrubs for several years and it wasn't until recently
that they turned inappropriate.

The criminal complaint outlines numerous instances of fondling of the
victim's chest, and one where she claims her father rubbed her crotch
on top of her clothing.

The victim told police that on occasion her father would ask if what he
was doing was OK.

She didn't protest because she "was afraid of what (her father)
might do to her if she did not allow him to touch her."

When he moved to the area between her legs, she told him to stop, court
documents state.

Her father allegedly told her not to tell anyone because, "no one
else would understand." ...

How you doin' Dennis? Ready for the next one?

Yes, I have many more. I won't even bother to pull up stories from
archives of the past couple of years. Thousands of stories of children
molested, abused, murdered, by parents.

I don't post them all because I don't want to create the impression all
parents, or even a majority are like this. They aren't.

But those that are HAVE ADVOCATES AND PROTECTORS AND EXCUSE MAKERS IN
THESE NEWSGROUPS. Or haven't you noticed your buddies? Yer a pack of
sick loonies, boy.

Next, how one holy pastor blessed his daughters:

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/a...torIncest.html

Pastor Charged With Incest

QUEENS NY-- The pastor of a Westbury, LI, church has been charged with
sexually abusing his three daughters at their Rockaway residence over
the last 4½ years.

"What allegedly happened to these children is every child's and every
mother's worst nightmare" district attorney Richard A. Brown said.
"Even after the physical abuse has stopped, the consequences of such
sexual assault for victims are profound and can result in emotion
trauma from which they may never recover."

Morales Saintilus, 53, of Rockaway, Queens, pastor of the Eben-Ezer
Baptist Church, located at 859 Prospect Avenue in Westbury, is being
held pending arraignment in Queens Criminal Court on four counts of
incest, two counts of endangering the welfare of a child and two counts
of sexual abuse in the second degree.

If convicted, he faces up to four years in prison. According to court
records in Queens Criminal Court, it is alleged that the defendant,
between July 2001 and January 2006, had sexual intercourse with his
eldest daughter approximately twice a week. The daughter is presently
19 years old. It is further alleged that the defendant, between
September 2004 and June 2005, sexually abused his two younger daughters
on a total of 17 occasions. At the time of the incidents, both
daughters were less than 14 years old. ...

Yah know, Dennis, I just got to wonder, out of all the Anti CPS drones
that meander in and out of this ng, or hang about longer, how many are
in fact perpetrators of incest and or sexual molestation of children.

Ever wonder yourself?

Next ... Ah, got one that ran to hide after conviction of incest.

http://www.krdotv.com/story.cfm?nav=news&storyID=1468

Pueblo County Man Arrested In Thailand
Alan Maxfield Fled After Conviction 15 Years Ago
Posted: 8:54 AM, Nov. 17, 2006

By Baaron Pittenger
This time the man being extradited back to Colorado from Thailand is
guilty. Alan Maxfield was convicted of aggravated incest in Pueblo
County 15 years ago, but fled before he went to prison. Now he's been
located in Bangkok, Thailand and is expected to be on his way back to
the United States today (Friday, Nov. 17). Authorities arrested
Maxfield when he went to the U.S. Embassy to renew travel documents.
...

So tell me, you little Boy Scouts, can YOU tell if this was an incest
case or not?

http://washingtontimes.com/metro/200...5338-7701r.htm

The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com
4 in Md. charged with child porn
Published October 30, 2006
Advertisement
BALTIMORE (AP) -- Four men have been indicted on child pornography
charges, federal prosecutors announced this morning as they detailed an
expanded program to protect children from online predators.
Among those indicted was James L. Watson, 43, of Pasadena, Md., who
is accused of possessing hundreds of thousands of pictures and video
files depicting child pornography -- including images of bestiality,
incest, bondage and physical abuse of minors. ...

... Mr. Buckley is accused of sexually exploiting a girl younger than
12 to produce nude, sexually explicit photographs ...

Yah gotta wonder where he found a 12 year old girl he had that much
influence over, eh?

No, we're not done yet, Dennis. And I won't even post all from my most
recent reports.

Here's a twofer out of one town:

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradent...l/15954349.htm

Man enters no contest plea to incest charge

BRADENTON - A Bradenton man pleaded no contest this week to one count
of incest and three counts of lewd and lascivious battery on a victim
between the age of 12 and 16.

The man, whose name the Bradenton Herald is not publishing to protect
the identity of the victim, faces 50 years in prison for molesting his
daughter over a four-year period.

The 64-year-old man will be sentenced Jan. 5 before Circuit Judge Ed
Nicholas.

Assistant State Attorney Jeff Quisenberry said the man began having sex
with the girl when she was 12. The girl is now 16. The incidents
occurred during a four-year period that began in 2001.

"She told her best friend about it, who in turn told her mother, who
told police," Quisenberry said Tuesday.

The man faces 15 years in prison for each lewd and lascivious charge
and five years for the incest charge, Quisenberry said.

Judge denies bond

BRADENTON - A judge Tuesday denied bond for a Bradenton man convicted
of child molestation in 1992.

James Michael Matthews, 41, currently held without bond at Manatee
County jail, is charged with violating his probation. It was not known
Tuesday evening what Matthews reportedly did to violate his probation.

According to court records, the alleged violation occurred in
September, and a probation violation hearing is slated for Jan. 11 at
the Manatee County Courthouse.

On Tuesday, Matthew's attorney, Phil Paine, asked Circuit Judge Ed
Nicholas to set bond for his client. Nicholas denied the request, said
Assistant District Attorney Erica Valcarcel.

According to a probable cause affidavit, Matthews sexually battered a
child from June to November of 1990.

COURT BRIEFS ....

Gettin' bored boys? Don't like your nose rubbed in your vile excrement?
Your various arguments about those poor "victims of CPS?"

Then there's those polygamists that must figure, "Heck I've broken the
law already, what's a little incest between family members."

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/...olygamy001.cfm

... In April, Washington County prosecutors in Utah charged Warren
Jeffs, 50, the head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, with two first-degree felony counts of rape as an
accomplice on suspicion that he forced a 14-year-old girl to marry her
first cousin, who was over 18. ...

... Shurtleff's office has also moved to dismantle a communal property
trust owned by Jeffs' sect in Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz.
His office also is investigating the Kingston family, including seven
brothers accused of incest who are thought to have fathered more than
600 children, informed sources said. ...

Well, I know I'm tired of these stories...there are all too many of
them, and one wonders at some of them, as they took so long to be
uncovered, just how many more children are being raped by their parents
and as yet undiscovered.

Or may never be.

Kane