Worried foster care parents in revolt over new rules

On 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.. his usual dodging crock of ****....

Hahaha! More "****" coming out of Kane's mouth!

Doan

As I said, ad hom hopper,

Hypocrite! ;-)

"Now tell us Doan, how is it you are unable to deal with the truth
below, though YOU are the one that challenged ME to come up with research?

What's up with that, sneak?"

Are you showing us your EXTREME STUPIDITY again, Kane? What research?

There isn't any. Didn't you read beyond this point before?

So what is there for me to discuss, STUPID! I challenged you to come up
with some research, you came up with NONE! And you still want me to
discuss research??? HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?

Doan


You said there are none, did you not?

Sure did. That's why I said you are unable to deal with the truth, as I
stated it below.

You stopped reading about here then?

Brilliant. Leaves you able to lie your ass off and not bother your
conscience.

Doan

Read further, and answer the challenge to research that I present
below, or continue to play the dodging game and be laughed at, more
than before.

You are a joke, Doan. Not just to me. Your own parents would disown
you, I suspect, if they saw the kinds of lies you construct, an misuse
of your intelligence that they gave you by birth.

What you can't handle, you run from with clever little weasel twists,
and monkeyboy diversions.

Tsk, Doan. Tsk tsk tsk. finger shaking in your face

0:-

0:-]


Which I've answer in the prior post. Hence I snipped his lies here and
what he had responded to an more tellingly, what he has NOT, up to this
point.

Now tell us Doan, how is it you are unable to deal with the truth below,
though YOU are the one that challenged ME to come up with research?

What's up with that, sneak?

R R R R R R R R

DOAN CAN'T DEAL WITH THE TRUTH AND NEVER COULD.

And no, there are no such reputable research reports because reputable
researchers know that the actual count on the general population is
about as discernible as trying to determine how many out of the entire
population has an ulcer.

Only the reported ulcers can be counted. The rest, and we know they
exist because people have ulcers long before they are aware of them, are
not as yet countable.

Rather like abuse that goes unreported, because we simply don't know
about them.

Parents are known to deliberately hide abuse and neglect of their
children. We find out only when it finally comes to our attention, and
even then, often the finding out comes when the child grows up and is an
adult and reports it.

Notice the debacle with sexual abuse by those in authority that is
popping up very late in the cycle?

No, Doan, those 'researchers' that attempt, if there are any, to claim
that they KNOW that fosters abuse at a greater rate are either stupid or
liars; Doananators.

0:-



Doan

Doan wrote:
On 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.. his usual dodging crock of ****....

Hahaha! More "****" coming out of Kane's mouth!

Doan
As I said, ad hom hopper,

Hypocrite! ;-)

"Now tell us Doan, how is it you are unable to deal with the truth
below, though YOU are the one that challenged ME to come up with research?

What's up with that, sneak?"

Are you showing us your EXTREME STUPIDITY again, Kane? What research?
There isn't any. Didn't you read beyond this point before?

So what is there for me to discuss, STUPID!

Just what I posted, Doan. Clearly.

I challenged you to come up
with some research, you came up with NONE!

Because there is no valid research.

And you still want me to
discuss research???

Of course. And I made clear the question now is why there is no valid
research. Care to discuss it, or are we going to be treated to yet more
monkeyboy screeching hysterical avoidance?

HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?

The question should be, since everyone interested can SEE who is being
stupid here, how stupid can YOU be?

Doananating in public again, I see.

The challenge for discussion was obvious, Doan: The reason why there is
no research to discuss. Can you refute my reasons as they are stated?

Is there research? Do you claim there is? Can you name it? Can you point
to it so it can be discussed fully on line? Or are you about to do
another "Embry" on us again?

Care to discuss what I claim, or are you going to continue to insult
your ancestors?

Doan

You said there are none, did you not?
Sure did. That's why I said you are unable to deal with the truth, as I
stated it below.

You stopped reading about here then?

Brilliant. Leaves you able to lie your ass off and not bother your
conscience.

Avoidance, Doan? Cowardly avoidance? Even monkeys are braver than you.

Doan
Read further, and answer the challenge to research that I present
below, or continue to play the dodging game and be laughed at, more
than before.

You are a joke, Doan. Not just to me. Your own parents would disown
you, I suspect, if they saw the kinds of lies you construct, an misuse
of your intelligence that they gave you by birth.

What you can't handle, you run from with clever little weasel twists,
and monkeyboy diversions.

Surely you can handle a simple statement such as mine, that "there is no
valid research," right?

Do you think there is? Where? Can we read it on line?

What does it prove?

How does it account for the very different characteristics of the two
demographics under discussion?

Any little thing you'd like to talk about instead of biting on your
tail, monkeyboy?

You are quite a spectacle what with your cowardly handling of this
issue, Doan...but then that's nothing new for you. You have been
practicing how to look good while running for your life for years now,
coward.

0:-


Tsk, Doan. Tsk tsk tsk. finger shaking in your face

0:-

0:-]

Which I've answer in the prior post. Hence I snipped his lies here and
what he had responded to an more tellingly, what he has NOT, up to this
point.

Now tell us Doan, how is it you are unable to deal with the truth below,
though YOU are the one that challenged ME to come up with research?

What's up with that, sneak?

R R R R R R R R

DOAN CAN'T DEAL WITH THE TRUTH AND NEVER COULD.

And no, there are no such reputable research reports because reputable
researchers know that the actual count on the general population is
about as discernible as trying to determine how many out of the entire
population has an ulcer.

Only the reported ulcers can be counted. The rest, and we know they
exist because people have ulcers long before they are aware of them, are
not as yet countable.

Rather like abuse that goes unreported, because we simply don't know
about them.

Parents are known to deliberately hide abuse and neglect of their
children. We find out only when it finally comes to our attention, and
even then, often the finding out comes when the child grows up and is an
adult and reports it.

Notice the debacle with sexual abuse by those in authority that is
popping up very late in the cycle?

No, Doan, those 'researchers' that attempt, if there are any, to claim
that they KNOW that fosters abuse at a greater rate are either stupid or
liars; Doananators.

0:-



Doan

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.. his usual dodging crock of ****....

Hahaha! More "****" coming out of Kane's mouth!

Doan
As I said, ad hom hopper,

Hypocrite! ;-)

"Now tell us Doan, how is it you are unable to deal with the truth
below, though YOU are the one that challenged ME to come up with research?

What's up with that, sneak?"

Are you showing us your EXTREME STUPIDITY again, Kane? What research?
There isn't any. Didn't you read beyond this point before?

So what is there for me to discuss, STUPID!

Just what I posted, Doan. Clearly.

You posted your STUPIDITY, clearly! ;-)

I challenged you to come up
with some research, you came up with NONE!

Because there is no valid research.

So there is nothing for me to discuss.

And you still want me to
discuss research???

Of course. And I made clear the question now is why there is no valid
research. Care to discuss it, or are we going to be treated to yet more
monkeyboy screeching hysterical avoidance?

But you just said there are no research, STUPID!

HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?

The question should be, since everyone interested can SEE who is being
stupid here, how stupid can YOU be?

I can read a simple chart, YOU CAN'T! ;-)

Doananating in public again, I see.

Hihihi! The only STUPID LIAR here is YOU!

Doan

The challenge for discussion was obvious, Doan: The reason why there is
no research to discuss. Can you refute my reasons as they are stated?

Is there research? Do you claim there is? Can you name it? Can you point
to it so it can be discussed fully on line? Or are you about to do
another "Embry" on us again?

Care to discuss what I claim, or are you going to continue to insult
your ancestors?

Doan

You said there are none, did you not?
Sure did. That's why I said you are unable to deal with the truth, as I
stated it below.

You stopped reading about here then?

Brilliant. Leaves you able to lie your ass off and not bother your
conscience.

Avoidance, Doan? Cowardly avoidance? Even monkeys are braver than you.

Doan
Read further, and answer the challenge to research that I present
below, or continue to play the dodging game and be laughed at, more
than before.

You are a joke, Doan. Not just to me. Your own parents would disown
you, I suspect, if they saw the kinds of lies you construct, an misuse
of your intelligence that they gave you by birth.

What you can't handle, you run from with clever little weasel twists,
and monkeyboy diversions.

Surely you can handle a simple statement such as mine, that "there is no
valid research," right?

Do you think there is? Where? Can we read it on line?

What does it prove?

How does it account for the very different characteristics of the two
demographics under discussion?

Any little thing you'd like to talk about instead of biting on your
tail, monkeyboy?

You are quite a spectacle what with your cowardly handling of this
issue, Doan...but then that's nothing new for you. You have been
practicing how to look good while running for your life for years now,
coward.

0:-


Tsk, Doan. Tsk tsk tsk. finger shaking in your face

0:-

0:-]

Which I've answer in the prior post. Hence I snipped his lies here and
what he had responded to an more tellingly, what he has NOT, up to this
point.

Now tell us Doan, how is it you are unable to deal with the truth below,
though YOU are the one that challenged ME to come up with research?

What's up with that, sneak?

R R R R R R R R

DOAN CAN'T DEAL WITH THE TRUTH AND NEVER COULD.

And no, there are no such reputable research reports because reputable
researchers know that the actual count on the general population is
about as discernible as trying to determine how many out of the entire
population has an ulcer.

Only the reported ulcers can be counted. The rest, and we know they
exist because people have ulcers long before they are aware of them, are
not as yet countable.

Rather like abuse that goes unreported, because we simply don't know
about them.

Parents are known to deliberately hide abuse and neglect of their
children. We find out only when it finally comes to our attention, and
even then, often the finding out comes when the child grows up and is an
adult and reports it.

Notice the debacle with sexual abuse by those in authority that is
popping up very late in the cycle?

No, Doan, those 'researchers' that attempt, if there are any, to claim
that they KNOW that fosters abuse at a greater rate are either stupid or
liars; Doananators.

0:-



Doan

Doan wrote:
....."I am a coward that will not debate the truth"...

You offer only lies, dodging, and bad ethics, and worse morals.

You are not only a coward, you are a dangerous coward because you are
unaware of your low character.

Enjoy yourself.

You ran again.

Kane

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
...."I am a coward that will not debate the truth"...

That is not what I wrote! That is what you wrote!
I only exposed your STUPIDITY so that everyone can see it!

Doan

You offer only lies, dodging, and bad ethics, and worse morals.

You are not only a coward, you are a dangerous coward because you are
unaware of your low character.

Enjoy yourself.

You ran again.

Kane

Kane wrote and falsely attributed to Doan:
...."I am a coward that will not debate the truth"...

Doan wrote
That is not what I wrote! That is what you wrote!
I only exposed your STUPIDITY so that everyone can see it!

Doan:
I posted a comical hate letter (to me) from Hitler.
It was a joke about Kane's frequent expressions of hatred.

Kane took the idea and started these lame fake
letters from real live active participants.

Apparently he must have decided that his cause was
so moral and ethical that even telling lies was justified.

The ends he imagines justify any means apparently.

Kane wouldn't have given up on having a reputation for honesty.
He must have FOUND OUT that he no longer has one to protect.

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
...."I am a coward that will not debate the truth"...

That is not what I wrote! That is what you wrote!
I only exposed your STUPIDITY so that everyone can see it!

Oh blow it out your monkeyboy ass stupid. Everyone here recognizes the
newsgroup posting device of expressing what one believes the other
expresses.

What a stupid hack you are.

Doan

You got caught dodging the challenge, again, and all you can do is
nitpit and run.

COWARD.

Get Greg's nose out of your ass, it makes his posts sound funny.

0:-




You offer only lies, dodging, and bad ethics, and worse morals.

You are not only a coward, you are a dangerous coward because you are
unaware of your low character.

Enjoy yourself.

You ran again.

Kane

On 15 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
...."I am a coward that will not debate the truth"...

That is not what I wrote! That is what you wrote!
I only exposed your STUPIDITY so that everyone can see it!

Oh blow it out your monkeyboy ass stupid. Everyone here recognizes the
newsgroup posting device of expressing what one believes the other
expresses.

What a stupid hack you are.

Hahaha! At least, I know how to read a simple chart and you don't!

Doan


Doan

You got caught dodging the challenge, again, and all you can do is
nitpit and run.

COWARD.

Get Greg's nose out of your ass, it makes his posts sound funny.

0:-




You offer only lies, dodging, and bad ethics, and worse morals.

You are not only a coward, you are a dangerous coward because you are
unaware of your low character.

Enjoy yourself.

You ran again.

Kane

Remember this post, stupid lying monkeyboy?

Your tried the same lie yet again. The same one you are trying today.

You are dishonorable.







0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.....and continues to compound both his honest errors, AND his
deliberate lies....

Hihih! Kane is using his brillant strategy of EXPOSING HIS STUPIDITY
to the public again!
[snip]
That is indeed a lie, because the link he provided doesn't said that. He
took it out of context, just like you did, to give the impression that is
the rate. As I have already corrected him, the 0.57% is a "indicator",
not the actual rate!

I already conceded that, stupid. You just don't understand the language,
or the meaning. You lack comprehension, or you are a liar. Take your
pick. I chose both, in your case.

Hahaha! So now you conceded that you LIED!
{snip}
I've read it! The meaning of that sentence has a totally different
meaning from the original one.

You are playing with context again, Doan. Tsk.

Of course! That was my the accusation, STUPID! TAKING THINGS
OUT-OF-CONTEXT!!!

{snip}
There are not 13 missing states, stupid. There are seven. Look at the
chart. Stop thinking you are so puckering clevery you stupid monkeyboy.

13 states had DIFFICULTY, not 'didn't report.' You presumed, like an
ass. Or a monkey.

Hahaha! Only seven??? Are you this STUPID?

How many states actually reported? Let's see if we can find out.

The chart shows 51 (including DC) and only 12 having NOT reported. Some
of which reported in prior years, just not 2004.

Now seven turn into "only 12 having NOT reported"!!! TALK ABOUT
STUPIDITY!!!

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p.../table3_21.htm

39 then reported, according to this chart.

84.2% of 39 would give you something like the correct answer, stupid.

84.2% of 38 is 31.996!

Hahaha! EXPOSING YOUR STUPIDITY to the public again.

Number Reporting 28 35 38 39 38
Number Met Standard * 16 22 23 31 32
Number Met Standard * 57.1 62.9 60.5 79.5 84.2

32.838 of the states (33 of course) met or exceeded the compliance
indicator.

Having problem with math again, publisher Kane? ;-)
33/39 is 84.6%, STUPID!

But that's NOT the issue, stupid. Though you would love to have everyone
believe that is, and that was a claim by me that somehow indicated the
abuse rate nationaly by foster parents.

So now you are not talking nationally!!! So all this stuff you and
Ron brought up are IRRELEVANT! ;-)

It's still disproportionately LOWER than bio parents for the simple
reason one hell of a lot more, proportionally, of the parents in this
country HAVE NOT REPORTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, as to their rate of
child abuse, hence we don't know.

Hihihi! Now, we don't know!!!

But every indication is that bio parents do abuse, and they are NOT
caught for it, in HUGE numbers, since they can't be accounted for as
foster parents can.

Is that why some states (13) are having "difficulty" reporting them?
Boy, you are STUPID!

The amount of what I call 'spontaneously' discovered abuse, that is it
was not KNOWN to CPS until it surfaced some other way than by reporting
to them, is rampant. NOT SO with foster parents. CPS usually is the
first to know.

Other cases come up mostly by police reports.

Or by adults discussing their abuse as children that was NEVER revealed
when they were young.

The ONLY figure that matters, is the abuse rate of foster's versus the
abuse rate of bios that are caught.

Comparisons to wild populations is a thinking and research error of
considerably proportion.

Hihihi! Why don't you look through you 30 YEARS collection of study,
Kane? Can you show me a single study by a reputable research in which
they said abuse in foster care is less than the general population?
Hihihi!
Let's clear the air here, first.

Hahaha! Hiding your STUPIDITY again?

You are taking a mistake in count, that I later corrected and pretending
it's a lie. I simply didn't notice the first count having been written
by me.

Hihihi! In other words, you can't even read and understand a simple
chart!

Nope, I had calculated in my head quickly, and missed a couple of
entries that had been sending in data until 2003....the missed the final
year for some reason.

You didn't notice that?

Yet you claimed to have accumlated research studies for 30
years!!!

Yep.

You even have the nerve to claim that you are a published
researcher! YOU ARE STUPID!!!

Liar. I never said I was a published researcher. Just published.

You can't read but you sure can lie.

Doan

You got caught in an error, Doan, and being the little dishonorable
monkeyboy, you can't simply admit it like a man, not being one.

I even describe HOW I make an error and you continue for years to call
it a "lie."

You are one sick little ****.

But I knew that the first post of yours I ever read.

0:-


And no, there are no such reputable research reports because reputable
researchers know that the actual count on the general population is
about as discernible as trying to determine how many out of the entire
population has an ulcer.

Only the reported ulcers can be counted. The rest, and we know they
exist because people have ulcers long before they are aware of them, are
not as yet countable.

Rather like abuse that goes unreported, because we simply don't know
about them.

Parents are known to deliberately hide abuse and neglect of their
children. We find out only when it finally comes to our attention, and
even then, often the finding out comes when the child grows up and is an
adult and reports it.

Notice the debacle with sexual abuse by those in authority that is
popping up very late in the cycle?

No, Doan, those 'researchers' that attempt, if there are any, to claim
that they KNOW that fosters abuse at a greater rate are either stupid or
liars; Doananators.

0:-



Doan

Hihihi! Oh, what a tangled web we weaved... Remember the claim that your
shelves and file cabinets are full of research studies you collected over
the years???

Doan


On 9 Dec 2006, 0:- wrote:

Remember this post, stupid lying monkeyboy?

Your tried the same lie yet again. The same one you are trying today.

You are dishonorable.







0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.....and continues to compound both his honest errors, AND his
deliberate lies....

Hihih! Kane is using his brillant strategy of EXPOSING HIS STUPIDITY
to the public again!
[snip]
That is indeed a lie, because the link he provided doesn't said that. He
took it out of context, just like you did, to give the impression that is
the rate. As I have already corrected him, the 0.57% is a "indicator",
not the actual rate!

I already conceded that, stupid. You just don't understand the language,
or the meaning. You lack comprehension, or you are a liar. Take your
pick. I chose both, in your case.

Hahaha! So now you conceded that you LIED!
{snip}
I've read it! The meaning of that sentence has a totally different
meaning from the original one.

You are playing with context again, Doan. Tsk.

Of course! That was my the accusation, STUPID! TAKING THINGS
OUT-OF-CONTEXT!!!

{snip}
There are not 13 missing states, stupid. There are seven. Look at the
chart. Stop thinking you are so puckering clevery you stupid monkeyboy.

13 states had DIFFICULTY, not 'didn't report.' You presumed, like an
ass. Or a monkey.

Hahaha! Only seven??? Are you this STUPID?

How many states actually reported? Let's see if we can find out.

The chart shows 51 (including DC) and only 12 having NOT reported. Some
of which reported in prior years, just not 2004.

Now seven turn into "only 12 having NOT reported"!!! TALK ABOUT
STUPIDITY!!!

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p.../table3_21.htm

39 then reported, according to this chart.

84.2% of 39 would give you something like the correct answer, stupid.

84.2% of 38 is 31.996!

Hahaha! EXPOSING YOUR STUPIDITY to the public again.

Number Reporting 28 35 38 39 38
Number Met Standard * 16 22 23 31 32
Number Met Standard * 57.1 62.9 60.5 79.5 84.2

32.838 of the states (33 of course) met or exceeded the compliance
indicator.

Having problem with math again, publisher Kane? ;-)
33/39 is 84.6%, STUPID!

But that's NOT the issue, stupid. Though you would love to have everyone
believe that is, and that was a claim by me that somehow indicated the
abuse rate nationaly by foster parents.

So now you are not talking nationally!!! So all this stuff you and
Ron brought up are IRRELEVANT! ;-)

It's still disproportionately LOWER than bio parents for the simple
reason one hell of a lot more, proportionally, of the parents in this
country HAVE NOT REPORTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, as to their rate of
child abuse, hence we don't know.

Hihihi! Now, we don't know!!!

But every indication is that bio parents do abuse, and they are NOT
caught for it, in HUGE numbers, since they can't be accounted for as
foster parents can.

Is that why some states (13) are having "difficulty" reporting them?
Boy, you are STUPID!

The amount of what I call 'spontaneously' discovered abuse, that is it
was not KNOWN to CPS until it surfaced some other way than by reporting
to them, is rampant. NOT SO with foster parents. CPS usually is the
first to know.

Other cases come up mostly by police reports.

Or by adults discussing their abuse as children that was NEVER revealed
when they were young.

The ONLY figure that matters, is the abuse rate of foster's versus the
abuse rate of bios that are caught.

Comparisons to wild populations is a thinking and research error of
considerably proportion.

Hihihi! Why don't you look through you 30 YEARS collection of study,
Kane? Can you show me a single study by a reputable research in which
they said abuse in foster care is less than the general population?
Hihihi!
Let's clear the air here, first.

Hahaha! Hiding your STUPIDITY again?

You are taking a mistake in count, that I later corrected and pretending
it's a lie. I simply didn't notice the first count having been written
by me.

Hihihi! In other words, you can't even read and understand a simple
chart!

Nope, I had calculated in my head quickly, and missed a couple of
entries that had been sending in data until 2003....the missed the final
year for some reason.

You didn't notice that?

Yet you claimed to have accumlated research studies for 30
years!!!

Yep.

You even have the nerve to claim that you are a published
researcher! YOU ARE STUPID!!!

Liar. I never said I was a published researcher. Just published.

You can't read but you sure can lie.

Doan

You got caught in an error, Doan, and being the little dishonorable
monkeyboy, you can't simply admit it like a man, not being one.

I even describe HOW I make an error and you continue for years to call
it a "lie."

You are one sick little ****.

But I knew that the first post of yours I ever read.

0:-


And no, there are no such reputable research reports because reputable
researchers know that the actual count on the general population is
about as discernible as trying to determine how many out of the entire
population has an ulcer.

Only the reported ulcers can be counted. The rest, and we know they
exist because people have ulcers long before they are aware of them, are
not as yet countable.

Rather like abuse that goes unreported, because we simply don't know
about them.

Parents are known to deliberately hide abuse and neglect of their
children. We find out only when it finally comes to our attention, and
even then, often the finding out comes when the child grows up and is an
adult and reports it.

Notice the debacle with sexual abuse by those in authority that is
popping up very late in the cycle?

No, Doan, those 'researchers' that attempt, if there are any, to claim
that they KNOW that fosters abuse at a greater rate are either stupid or
liars; Doananators.

0:-



Doan