From filthy home to the grave...

Ok Donald, IF the kid came to the shelter close to death...

( That's a big IF considering that CPS people are professional liars.
All chalked up to "moral or ethical" reasons no doubt. )

....wouldn't the massive medical staff have been able to
detect that the child was under stress or was critical?
Why wasn't this kid moved to a hospital intensive care ward?






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Michael wrote:
From filthy home to the grave...

I'm looking for where the shelter home was the cause of the child's
death.

He's taken from a home such as described and 48 hours later he's dead?

Children taken to the hospital can die there, 48 hours later no matter
the efforts to save them.

Couldn't even wait for an autopsy?

I appreciate the updates but you do appear to be placing blame when
it's most definately not obvious.

A three month old 9 pound baby? Both mine weights slightly more than
that at birth.

If there is a problem it's probably with information. The shelter home
may not have even known his true age. Many times those abusive and
neglectful parents, for some reason, are unwilling or reluctant to give
vital information. Or unable to for various reasons. Like crashed. Or
disabled by some means.

But keep us tuned in. Thanks.

Kane


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By Associated Press
December 6, 2006
OKLAHOMA CITY -- A 3-month-old boy who was removed from a filthy home and
taken into state custody has died.

The boy's body was discovered about 6:15 a.m. Monday at the Pauline E. Mayer
shelter in Oklahoma City, said Mark Myers, Oklahoma County sheriff's
spokesman. The cause of death is under investigation.

The infant was apparently kept in the shelter longer than permitted under
state law, which says that children ages 5 and younger must be moved to
emergency foster care if they are not returned to their families within 24
hours, Department of Human Services spokesman Dustin Pyeatt said.

A lawyer for the boy's father identified the victim as Samuel Barber.

The death came two days after he and his sisters were taken into protective
custody when deputies found them in a Luther residence filled with garbage
and feces, a report states.

Deputies who were called to the home Saturday found four children, Samuel
and sisters, ages 3, 2 and 1, were wearing ''extremely soiled, filthy
clothes, unbathed and covered in feces.''

Samuel was lying face-down on the couch with his face between two cushions.
He weighed just nine pounds and was drinking from a bottle containing what
appeared to be spoiled milk.

No one was arrested, but the siblings were taken into Department of Human
Services custody and placed in the shelter, which has a staff of 64,
including two nurses, three consulting child psychologists and an on-call
pediatrician on staff.

The other three children remain in DHS custody.
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Michael
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Greegor wrote:
Ok [Kane], IF the kid came to the shelter close to death...

I'm not Donald.

Who said they were close to death?

( That's a big IF considering that CPS people are professional liars.
All chalked up to "moral or ethical" reasons no doubt. )

Yes, but it's YOUR 'IF' not mine.

...wouldn't the massive medical staff have been able to
detect that the child was under stress or was critical?

Since I don't know as yet what killed the child it would be
presumptuous of me to say. Doesn't seem to slow you down though, now
does it?

Why wasn't this kid moved to a hospital intensive care ward?

Because he may not have shown any symptoms. A great many children
coming into shelter care have a great many problems that may not show
for days, or even weeks.

Also, you'll note, had they followed proceedures..the law...he'd have
been moved once again, after 24 hours. Further from medical help, at
that, to a private foster home.

That one child out of the thousands that do pass through Shelter
placement dies does not mean that there was any malfeasance.

You just won't wait for the cause of death to be discovered. Your mind
was made up years ago..

Kane


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Michael wrote:
From filthy home to the grave...

I'm looking for where the shelter home was the cause of the child's
death.

He's taken from a home such as described and 48 hours later he's dead?

Children taken to the hospital can die there, 48 hours later no matter
the efforts to save them.

Couldn't even wait for an autopsy?

I appreciate the updates but you do appear to be placing blame when
it's most definately not obvious.

A three month old 9 pound baby? Both mine weights slightly more than
that at birth.

If there is a problem it's probably with information. The shelter home
may not have even known his true age. Many times those abusive and
neglectful parents, for some reason, are unwilling or reluctant to give
vital information. Or unable to for various reasons. Like crashed. Or
disabled by some means.

But keep us tuned in. Thanks.

Kane


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By Associated Press
December 6, 2006
OKLAHOMA CITY -- A 3-month-old boy who was removed from a filthy home and
taken into state custody has died.

The boy's body was discovered about 6:15 a.m. Monday at the Pauline E. Mayer
shelter in Oklahoma City, said Mark Myers, Oklahoma County sheriff's
spokesman. The cause of death is under investigation.

The infant was apparently kept in the shelter longer than permitted under
state law, which says that children ages 5 and younger must be moved to
emergency foster care if they are not returned to their families within 24
hours, Department of Human Services spokesman Dustin Pyeatt said.

A lawyer for the boy's father identified the victim as Samuel Barber.

The death came two days after he and his sisters were taken into protective
custody when deputies found them in a Luther residence filled with garbage
and feces, a report states.

Deputies who were called to the home Saturday found four children, Samuel
and sisters, ages 3, 2 and 1, were wearing ''extremely soiled, filthy
clothes, unbathed and covered in feces.''

Samuel was lying face-down on the couch with his face between two cushions.
He weighed just nine pounds and was drinking from a bottle containing what
appeared to be spoiled milk.

No one was arrested, but the siblings were taken into Department of Human
Services custody and placed in the shelter, which has a staff of 64,
including two nurses, three consulting child psychologists and an on-call
pediatrician on staff.

The other three children remain in DHS custody.
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Michael
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Greegor wrote:
Ok Donald, IF the kid came to the shelter close to death...

Name's Kane. Thanks.

( That's a big IF considering that CPS people are professional liars.
All chalked up to "moral or ethical" reasons no doubt. )

....wouldn't the massive medical staff have been able to
detect that the child was under stress or was critical?
Why wasn't this kid moved to a hospital intensive care ward?

Massive medical staff?

"... which has a staff of 64, including two nurses, three consulting
child psychologists and an on-call pediatrician on staff."

One on-call pediatrician, and two nurses to cover three shifts? I don't
thinks so, child.

This is such a poorly written piece.

That pediatrician probably covers a number of counties all by his
lonesome. You do know what "on call" means, don't you? He might not see
children for many days after placement. And only when there are a number
to see...he doesn't come running over for each and every child placed.
Only if they present with symptoms that can be seen by the nurses or
others.

This child appeared to be hungry and underweight. Nothing more,
apparently. Or are you suggesting they deliberately withheld medical
care for a child obviously in distress?

Why would the doctor not be there for the arrival of each and every
child, Greg?

Well, believe or not doctors charge for their services. That could be
why there aren't a half dozen of them on call to see each new child.

Then there are the three consulting psychologists. Any one of which
might well have picked up on the stress of the child. But then, they too
are on call.

In fact they might not even see the children while IN the shelter but
the children come to their offices. That's pretty common.

On the date in question how many other children were admitted to this
shelter...with only two nurses on hand?

Did you know that the police officer is also supposed to evaluate
medical needs of the child, if apparent, and deliver them to a hospital?

Apparently YOU aren't going to follow up on this, and I can't see where
Michael has, so I guess it's up to me to be the fact finder...sigh again.

http://www.okkids.org/OJSO/Facility%...%20Shelter.pdf

[[[ For instance, the statement was taken out of context about the
requirements concerning placement after 24 hours...as usual...
R R R R

You could work for the newspaper, Greg.

Here's the regs.

Where the fault lies, I believe, is in placing that child in the shelter
at all. It was likely above capacity... and you know that that means,
Greg....MONNEY.

By the way, try reading the article and tell us that the children should
NOT have been removed. ]]]

(b) Shelter capacity and length of stay in OKDHS operated shelters. The
specified licensed capacity is 42 children at the Pauline E. Mayer
shelter and 38 children at the Laura Dester shelter. OKDHS operated
shelters deny further admission of children in OKDHS custody when
operating at 90% capacity, in order to meet obligations under
established court orders. The child:

* (1) five years of age or younger remains in the shelter no more
than 24 hours. If the child does not return home during this time, the
child is discharged to emergency foster care (EFC), per OAC 340:75-7-262;
* (2) six years of age or older remains in shelter care no more
than 30 days. If an extended stay is required, the child's length of
stay in the shelter does not exceed 60 days;
* (3) is not discharged from either shelter into another shelter
setting in order to comply with the required time frames, per OAC
340:75-10-9(b)(1) and (2); and
* (4) who remains in the shelter, due to the inability of staff to
locate an appropriate placement, is staffed weekly to determine the plan
for the child. • 1...

See that last line Greg. I seem to mean that it IS possible for a child
to outstay the 24 hour limit, or even the 30 day limit for other kids,
IF there is a weekly staffing to determine a placement plan for the child.

I suspect that staffing is done by CPS workers, who, no doubt are
already way over caseload capacity, GREG!

I'll send you my turnip crop next summer, you send me back the bottles
of blood. Okay?

So then, shall we turn to the issue of leaving the children in the home
the police (not CPS) removed them from?

I've got to wonder if Michael didn't snip his article, or AP did.
Because here is a much more comprehensive and informative, as well as
more factual article on the incident.

http://www.newsok.com/article/2981778/?print=1

Infant's death at home probed

By Joe Wertz and Ken Raymond
Staff Writers

A 3-month-old boy found living with three siblings, nine dogs and two
cats in a filthy Luther home died in state custody Monday.

The cause of death was not available Tuesday.

The boy's body was discovered about 6:15 a.m. Monday at the Pauline E.
Mayer shelter in Oklahoma City, said Mark Myers, Oklahoma County
sheriff's spokesman.

It also appears the infant was kept in the shelter longer than state law
allows.

According to Oklahoma law, children ages 5 and younger must be moved to
emergency foster care if they are not returned to their families within
24 hours, Department of Human Services spokesman Dustin Pyeatt said.

A lawyer for the boy's father identified the victim as Samuel Barber.

Samuel's death came two days after he and his sisters were taken into
protective custody when deputies found them in a residence filled with
garbage and feces, a report states.

Deputies were called to the home at 21455 E Bowman Circle about 9:30
p.m. Saturday, the report shows.

They found a house so dirty, the report states, it nearly made one
deputy vomit.

According to the report:

• The four children — Samuel and sisters, ages 3, 2 and 1 — were wearing
"extremely soiled, filthy clothes, unbathed and covered in feces."

• Samuel was lying face-down on the couch with his face between two
cushions. He weighed just 9 pounds and was drinking from a bottle
containing what appeared to be spoiled, chunky milk.

• Another child, covered in feces, was eating food she'd found on the
floor, which was covered in animal hair and waste. Shredded diapers and
old food items covered 70 percent of the kitchen floor to a depth of
about 6 inches.

• A third child, who had a swollen cut on her left foot, hugged clothes
to herself as she dragged them through feces. More waste stretched from
her feet to mid-thigh.

• None of the children had coats, clean clothes or shoes.

No one was arrested, but the siblings were taken into Department of
Human Services custody and placed in the shelter, Myers said.

The shelter has a staff of 64, working 24 hours daily. There also are
two nurses, three consulting child psychologists and an on-call
pediatrician on staff.

The shelter's medical personnel examined the children and found all four
had "severe head lice," the report states. The medics told deputies the
siblings were "medically OK" Saturday, but that a doctor would examine
them more closely Sunday or Monday.

Samuel's body was found Monday morning. The other three children remain
in DHS custody.

An investigation into the death began Monday, said Lisa Smith of the
Oklahoma Commission on Children or Youth.

The investigation will determine whether DHS and the shelter followed
proper procedures in dealing with the children.

Smith said her office was not involved in the case before Samuel's death.

Pyeatt said privacy laws prohibit him from discussing particular cases.

Under state law, children who allegedly are abused or neglected may be
admitted to one of two DHS emergency shelters, the Pauline Mayer shelter
and one in Tulsa.

Pyeatt said the shelters typically run at capacity during the holidays,
when child abuse reports peak. The licensed capacity at the shelter is
52 children.

Contributing: Jennifer Mock, Capitol Bureau and Penny Cockerell, Staff
Writer
........................

Want to bet they weren't over capacity?

.... Introduction
The Office of Juvenile System Oversight (OJSO) conducted an unannounced
visit to the Pauline Mayer Shelter in Oklahoma City on April 5, 6, and
12, 2005. ...

Here's a few excerpts.

http://www.okkids.org/OJSO/Facility%...%20Shelter.pdf

.... Overview
The shelter is licensed by the DHS Division of Child Care for a total of
forty-two residents. The census on April 5 was sixty-six, with
twenty-eight of the children under the age of six. The census on April 6
was sixty, with twenty-six children under the age of six; however, six
of the infants were physically housed at the Pauline Mayer Group Home,
which accommodates girls under the age of eighteen and their children.
The shelter’s census on April 12 was forty-four. ...

And given, Greg, the rapid movement of children through the facility
required by law, I'd say those 64 people are probably kept fairly busy.
Ancillary staff alone must be going at a dead run to keep the building
up, the food cooked, etc. The face to face staff would be much smaller.

So, Greg..once again, in the hopes, (I'm always hopeful) you honest-up
on us tell us if you would have removed those children from their lovely
professionally decorated home with the chef's gourmet food selection or
left them there.

Go ahead.

Lack of foster homes. Lack of shelter space. Lack of money, boys.

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0:- wrote:
Michael wrote:
From filthy home to the grave...

I'm looking for where the shelter home was the cause of the child's
death.

He's taken from a home such as described and 48 hours later he's dead?

Children taken to the hospital can die there, 48 hours later no matter
the efforts to save them.

Couldn't even wait for an autopsy?

I appreciate the updates but you do appear to be placing blame when
it's most definately not obvious.

A three month old 9 pound baby? Both mine weights slightly more than
that at birth.

If there is a problem it's probably with information. The shelter home
may not have even known his true age. Many times those abusive and
neglectful parents, for some reason, are unwilling or reluctant to give
vital information. Or unable to for various reasons. Like crashed. Or
disabled by some means.

But keep us tuned in. Thanks.

Kane


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By Associated Press
December 6, 2006
OKLAHOMA CITY -- A 3-month-old boy who was removed from a filthy home and
taken into state custody has died.

The boy's body was discovered about 6:15 a.m. Monday at the Pauline E. Mayer
shelter in Oklahoma City, said Mark Myers, Oklahoma County sheriff's
spokesman. The cause of death is under investigation.

The infant was apparently kept in the shelter longer than permitted under
state law, which says that children ages 5 and younger must be moved to
emergency foster care if they are not returned to their families within 24
hours, Department of Human Services spokesman Dustin Pyeatt said.

A lawyer for the boy's father identified the victim as Samuel Barber.

The death came two days after he and his sisters were taken into protective
custody when deputies found them in a Luther residence filled with garbage
and feces, a report states.

Deputies who were called to the home Saturday found four children, Samuel
and sisters, ages 3, 2 and 1, were wearing ''extremely soiled, filthy
clothes, unbathed and covered in feces.''

Samuel was lying face-down on the couch with his face between two cushions.
He weighed just nine pounds and was drinking from a bottle containing what
appeared to be spoiled milk.

No one was arrested, but the siblings were taken into Department of Human
Services custody and placed in the shelter, which has a staff of 64,
including two nurses, three consulting child psychologists and an on-call
pediatrician on staff.

The other three children remain in DHS custody.
- --
Michael
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Should Oklahoma fire these people for incompetence?

staff of 64, including two nurses, three consulting child
psychologists and an on-call pediatrician on staff.

Or just the three medical nitwits who didn't check very good?

Greegor wrote:
Should Oklahoma fire these people for incompetence?

If it's proven they were.


staff of 64, including two nurses, three consulting child
psychologists and an on-call pediatrician on staff.

Or just the three medical nitwits who didn't check very good?

The doctor wouldn't even be there, Greg. He's an on-call, meaning he
makes periodic checks on the children, and likely doesn't screen them
unless alerted to do so. As you know the cops claimed the children all
appeared not to need medical attention. Cops are usually fairly
conversant with signs of people in physical distress.

Child came in some time Saturday. Discovered dead Monday morning.

The nurses may not have been on duty over the weekend. Two nurses can't
cover 24/7 shifts, Greg. That's a given. There are 24 hours in a day.

Did you know that children that die of SIDS have few precipitating
signs..they are just found dead?

Ah, but then CPS is supposed to be psychic and all powerful and
responsible even for a mosquito bite. Right?

I have to remember that, don't I Greg?

Otherwise we couldn't sue them.

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