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128 students suspended at Ind. school
"toypup" wrote in message m... "nimue" wrote in message ... wrote: Jeff wrote: (Religious headcoverings are exempt.) No pajamas. And nothing likely to damage school property. (Cleats on shoes or hard metal trimmings on clothing.) The code concludes with something like "If in doubt, don't wear it." Look, there are some good ideas here, but when you try to enforce this, you will find that members of the school staff interpret these rules differently. I guess my main point is I don't want anyone missing class because her shirt is low cut. That is why at our school, the rules are very specific. The shirts have to tuck in and stay in when the arms are raised, no exceptions. The skirts can be no shorter than the middle finger when the arms are by the sides, no exceptions. The shorts can be no longer than 2 inches below the knees nor shorter than the middle finger when the arms are by the side and they cannot be more than 4 inches wider than the knee and they can't be tight and they must be hemmed. If they are cuffed, they must be hemmed to stay cuffed. The rules fill an entire page in very small print. If you wonder if they are enforced, yes they most definitely are. My gosh that just seems so.......... difficult. I still think a uniform is the best and easiest. Jen |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:13:44 GMT, "toypup"
wrote: She could have spent the money she spent on her illegal outfit for something that conformed to the school rules. That she did not do that and now must pay for another outfit is her problem. However, I did used to shop at Goodwill when we were poor and clothing was 25 cents a pound, literally. Maybe it's more now, but it can't be much and I'm sure she could find appropriate clothing there. Goodwill *used* to be a good place to shop for second-hand clothing. It's less expensive to buy off clearance racks for new items than used at Goodwill anymore. Nan |
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wrote in message oups.com... Jen wrote: wrote in message Why mini loads? Do you wash hers separately to yours and everyone elses? I don't understand. I find I need to do a full load almost every day, and I know other people who do even more. There are 3 people in our family. I don't do laundry every day. Same here. You might not need to do it every day. But every second day would be enough, with out having to buy heaps of clothes. That's what I find anyway. Jen |
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128 students suspended at Ind. school
"nimue" wrote in message ... L. wrote: nimue wrote: Clearly they are NOT -- they are for teaching kids the appropriate way to dress -- as teenagers!! In high school!! How does wearing baggy pants affect a child's education? Why must we always be controlling, controlling, controlling these kids? This sends the message that we care more about what you look like than if you learn, that appearance is more important than education. I don't give a **** what my students are wearing as long as they are in class!!!! Let them have their little teenage nonsense. Let them know they can BE THEMSELVES and still learn, still enjoy learning! ITA. I will refuse to send DS to a school that has a dress code, other than for safety reasons. This kind of crap is petty and ridiculous, and it squelches individual expression and creativity. I would hate for my daughter to go to a school without a uniform, individual expression and creativity in the choice of clothes, should be at home, not school. It seems to me it would be so hard *to keep up with the Joneses*. The kids that have more money would wear the more expensive and fashionable clothes, the poorer kids would have difficulty. Wearing a uniform you can get away with wearing clothes for 2 days, occasionally more- with casual clothes, it would be obvious, and the pressure would be on to change daily. I think there's a lot of good reasons for uniforms. Like someone else said, it just needs to be a specific colour even. Jen |
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128 students suspended at Ind. school
Barbara wrote:
nimue wrote: Barbara wrote: nimue wrote: Jen wrote: "nimue" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060827/..._st/dress_code 128 students suspended at Ind. school Classrooms were a little less crowded at Morton High School on the first day of classes: 128 students were sent home for wearing the wrong clothes. Why not a proper uniform, with a range of things to cover lots of tastes and individuality, but not turning it into a fashion show. Jen Well, in NYC the public schools cannot mandate uniforms. Even if we could, I don't know if I think they are such a good idea. Really? I am aware of several public schools in NYC that have mandated, well, if not uniforms, the closest thing to it. Sounds like a charter school. I teach at a public school. We can have uniforms, but we cannot require them. Kids can opt out, so what's the point? Sorry, no. Neither one is a charter school. Both are public schools in marginal neighborhoods. And to the best of my knowledge, kids cannot opt out in either school. Which schools? This is news to me, sister. I think you may be mistaken. My principal would love to have uniforms, but we don't because the kids can opt out. So, which schools? Barbara One's best friend is in a G&T program that requires the kids to wear yellow polo shirts and blue bottoms (pants or skirts). A middle school that I pass on my way to work has mandated white shirts and dark bottoms (no jeans). At least with respect to the middle school, the policy was instituted at the behest of the parents. Barbara -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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128 students suspended at Ind. school
toypup wrote:
"nimue" wrote in message ... wrote: Jeff wrote: (Religious headcoverings are exempt.) No pajamas. And nothing likely to damage school property. (Cleats on shoes or hard metal trimmings on clothing.) The code concludes with something like "If in doubt, don't wear it." Look, there are some good ideas here, but when you try to enforce this, you will find that members of the school staff interpret these rules differently. I guess my main point is I don't want anyone missing class because her shirt is low cut. That is why at our school, the rules are very specific. The shirts have to tuck in and stay in when the arms are raised, no exceptions. The skirts can be no shorter than the middle finger when the arms are by the sides, no exceptions. The shorts can be no longer than 2 inches below the knees nor shorter than the middle finger when the arms are by the side and they cannot be more than 4 inches wider than the knee and they can't be tight and they must be hemmed. If they are cuffed, they must be hemmed to stay cuffed. The rules fill an entire page in very small print. If you wonder if they are enforced, yes they most definitely are. Enforced how? Are kids sent home to change? Do they miss class if they violate the dress code? That kind of enforcement is just downright stupid in my book. Give 'em detention if you must, but keep them in class. -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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toypup wrote:
"nimue" wrote in message ... Banty wrote: In article , nimue says... The problem with the dress code is that kids in perfectly respectable outfits are sent home. In fact, it's usually the girls who are sent home, at least in my school. I have argued with deans that tell me that a young girl in a tank top and a jean skirt that stops just above the knee should be sent home because she is violating dress code. I tell them it's hot; we have no air conditioning, and this kid is going to miss her first period English exam. It makes me sick. And whose problem is that? It's her problem and it's the school's problem. If this kid fails her Regents, WE pay. Thanks No Child Left Behind. Anyway, this kid (I am thinking of a specific case) looked totally fine to me. She just wound up embarrassed and crying because she was told she looked inappropriate, and she was told this by a male dean. It's really easy to make high school girls feel terrible about themselves and that is what happened here -- and for NOTHING! She looked fine! There was nothing slutty or even inappropriate about her tank top or her jean skirt. It was against school rules. I have a hard time believing she didn't know what the rules are. I don't. I had never heard of the freaking dress code and I had worked there nearly a year. The dress code materialized (no pun intended) in the spring. I actually never saw a printed copy of it. Anyway, she looked totally decent. She can't stock up on a few light cotton short sleeve tops for school? The dress code is distributed to all students, right? (In our district, the parents have to sign it so there are no plaintive excuses about unseen policies). Actually, our kids are Title 1 kids -- poor. Very poor. We are dealing with a whole mess of issues here. Was the dress code distributed? Maybe. Don't you know? It's your school. I'll be it was distributed. I never saw the memo. If not, you can take that task over. Well, since I have nothing else to do... You can read it over the PA system to make sure those kids who don't read can understand it. Yes, I want to take up class time with that announcement. Did the kids read it and understand it? Maybe. Could their parents? Maybe. Could they afford to buy new clothes? Maybe. She could have spent the money she spent on her illegal outfit for something that conformed to the school rules. Ugh. "Illegal outfit." You sound like the dean, traumatizing a sweet kid who looked decent. This outfit was probably a hand-me-down. That she did not do that and now must pay for another outfit is her problem. However, I did used to shop at Goodwill when we were poor and clothing was 25 cents a pound, literally. Maybe it's more now, but it can't be much and I'm sure she could find appropriate clothing there. Shouldn't we be focusing on keeping these kids in class and learning? Definitely. If they are motivated to learn, they will conform to the dress code. Kids who don't want to learn won't learn and tend to be disruptive. Find a way to motivate them and they will conform to the dress code like everyone else. Come teach a day in my inner city school. Please. Clothing is not disruptive. Behavior is. I have had disruptive kids who were totally covered and girls in tight t-shirts who always did their homework. Have you ever worked in a school? -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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