Gee, wouldn't a good hard spanking be easier and more effective?

Kane wrote
You would IMPOSE more choice by parents and that
can be and IS a violation of the rights of the CHILD,
in many instances.
Often injuriously, and or fatally.

I see, you don't respect the fact that
parents are the ones who determine
"best interests of the child".

You would have government agents decide
"best interests" even down to the point
of micromanaging. That's socialism.

Have you given up on your charade that
you are working for parents rights?

Claiming the rights of the child AGAINST
parental choices reveals you.

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
You would IMPOSE more choice by parents and that
can be and IS a violation of the rights of the CHILD,
in many instances.
Often injuriously, and or fatally.

I see, you don't respect the fact that
parents are the ones who determine
"best interests of the child".

Of course I do. Nothing in what I said suggests they do not.

They do until they DON'T, Greg. You either are a part of this society or
you choose to step out of it. We give a great deal more freedom in this
than many countries. You are too stupid to notice.

You would have government agents decide
"best interests" even down to the point
of micromanaging. That's socialism.

Nope. You are lying. I am referring ONLY to, as I said above (thanks for
avoiding abortion this time), ONLY when it is a violation of a child's
rights should the state intervene.

Could I make any plainer than I actually said it?

You are trying to, as you continually do and have done for years, read
things into other's statements that are not there.

Have you given up on your charade that
you are working for parents rights?

Have you given up pretending to claim that I don't? snicker

What could be plainer, Greg. I stand for the rights OF BOTH.

When parents fail then the state must step in.

In the case of adult caregivers of aged parents the same standard should
be held to... and I support it.

The child must give way to the superior rights of the parent in need.

Claiming the rights of the child AGAINST
parental choices reveals you.

Where am I saying one supersedes the other, Greg?

That is YOUR interpretation based on YOUR belief that the parent's
rights supersedes the child's. Is that not correct, Greg?

In other words, YOU are lying, again, Greg, is that not correct?

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Greg wrote
Claiming the rights of the child AGAINST
parental choices reveals you.

Kane wrote
Where am I saying one supersedes the other, Greg?
That is YOUR interpretation based on YOUR belief that the parent's
rights supersedes the child's. Is that not correct, Greg?
In other words, YOU are lying, again, Greg, is that not correct?

You did it again! You deny something then PROVE it
with your very next comment.

Are the Judges decisions in caselaw about Parents
rights to determine "best interests" also lies?

You are an advocate of "Lord Of The Flies", just admit it!
Nazi Youth, Pol Pot, kids as rulers of parents..

Greegor wrote:
Greg wrote
Claiming the rights of the child AGAINST
parental choices reveals you.

Kane wrote
Where am I saying one supersedes the other, Greg?
That is YOUR interpretation based on YOUR belief that the parent's
rights supersedes the child's. Is that not correct, Greg?
In other words, YOU are lying, again, Greg, is that not correct?

You did it again! You deny something then PROVE it
with your very next comment.

No such occurrence took place, Greg.

Are the Judges decisions in caselaw about Parents
rights to determine "best interests" also lies?

Nope. And it's a case by case issue. The circumstances are not the same
in every case. You folks extrapolate from the specific to the general, a
highly questionable practice logically unless you quote the actual
information and prove that the judges finding or decision did in fact
APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD to all cases past and future.

Most often it's a single case where a single instance of violation of
rights is quite obvious. Someone entered, for instance, without warrant,
and it turned out there was no support for the abuse claim.

You are an advocate of "Lord Of The Flies", just admit it!
Nazi Youth, Pol Pot, kids as rulers of parents..

I can't admit to that, since I don't believe it.

The vast majority of parents and children in this country do quite well,
Greg.

It's just a small minority that abuse.

And a child revealing he or she has been abused or neglected is not a
"Nazi Youth," Greg, nor are they being trained to be one when they are
taught to report injuries to themselves.

So, I wonder what I should ask YOU to admit to, Greg?

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)