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Many people do not realize this. I frequently see
child restraints in rear-facing third row seats in cars that I know for sure say in the operator's manual that you're not supposed to do that. Even safety seat experts who feel that it's safer for kids old enough to be out of restraints to be sitting in the rear-facing seats say that one should not use child restraints in those positions. It is possible that some station wagons with rear facing third row seating are designed to be safe with child restraints, but unless there's a clear mention in the operator's manuals for both the car and the restraint, I wouldn't do it. Thanks Ericka, to be honest, it wasn't something I'd really plan to do anyway, I thought it might be very occasionally useful, but if we've already got them installed in the middle row, we're not going to shift them for a short journey and for a long journey we'd likely have luggage and not opt to squeeze into one car. I don't think this kind of thing would swing us away from this car, if we can use the extra seats in certain ways, it would be a bonus, I'll check and see if they'll take adults as that would be frustrating if we didn't have that option either, I quite like the idea of when my parents are here in the summer that all 6 of us can go out in one car for local trips. They will hire a car for independence and taking some trips without us. We are all going to Mt St Helens and that will require luggage and two cars, but it doesn't make sense to take 2 cars into central Seattle and pay for parking twice if at all possible. Anne |
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Anne Rogers wrote:
Many people do not realize this. I frequently see child restraints in rear-facing third row seats in cars that I know for sure say in the operator's manual that you're not supposed to do that. Even safety seat experts who feel that it's safer for kids old enough to be out of restraints to be sitting in the rear-facing seats say that one should not use child restraints in those positions. It is possible that some station wagons with rear facing third row seating are designed to be safe with child restraints, but unless there's a clear mention in the operator's manuals for both the car and the restraint, I wouldn't do it. Thanks Ericka, to be honest, it wasn't something I'd really plan to do anyway, I thought it might be very occasionally useful, but if we've already got them installed in the middle row, we're not going to shift them for a short journey and for a long journey we'd likely have luggage and not opt to squeeze into one car. I don't think this kind of thing would swing us away from this car, if we can use the extra seats in certain ways, it would be a bonus, I'll check and see if they'll take adults as that would be frustrating if we didn't have that option either, Check closely, and have an adult sit in the seat and try it out. Some models have weight limits for the rear seat that would preclude adults. In others, an adult would be totally squashed in the seat. But if it works, it would be handy--we have a minivan partly because we go places with my parents very frequently (they live next door) and it seems silly to take two cars. To do that, we need at least a 7-seater. Best wishes, Ericka |
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"Anne Rogers" wrote in message . .. well it's taken time, but VW are buying back our car under the lemon law and it goes back lunchtime on Monday. Rather oddly, a friend has been unable to sell a car for no apparent reason, we didn't even know for months, but it came up in conversation when she didn't know we were returning ours and on finding more information, it looks like it could be a good car for us, the price is right and it has features I'm keen on, the one remaining thing is to see if I can find out anything else about it, I've looked on all the review sites and it does reasonably, so I thought you guys might be able to help, it's a 2001 Mercury Sable, I have a 2001 Mercury Sable but not the wagon - the 4 door sedan. I would never get another one. We've had to repair to many things and the interior is cheap IMO (things falling off) That is a lot of miles that one has on it. -- Nikki, mama to Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 Brock 4/06 Ben 4/06 |
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Anne Rogers wrote:
It's high mileage, but the interior and exterior look excellent condition, particularly when you consider the mileage, it's over 110,000. This is one thing that concerns my husband, I'm less concerned, one car we had was lower mileage than that, but not much, but in poor condition externally and served us very well. Your husband is kind of right... This car has done the maximum or over the "recommended use per annum" for a car this age. Generally, it is recommended that a car do between 10000 km and 20000 km per year. (~ 6-12000 miles). If the car has done more than this (as this one seems to have done) I would get a full mechanic's assessment on the wear and tear of the engine before buying it, check around for prices for similar vehicles and not pay top dollar for it, either. Doesn't matter that these are friends - get an assessment done before agreeing to buy it. Engram |
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I have a 2001 Mercury Sable but not the wagon - the 4 door sedan. I would
never get another one. We've had to repair to many things and the interior is cheap IMO (things falling off) That is a lot of miles that one has on it. Thanks for being honest, Nikki, thing is, everything I've looked up seems the opposite to what you've said. Could you give me a few ideas of things which have fallen off? I didn't play extensively with the inside, but everything I did use, such as windows, vents, mirrors, behaved as expected and to be honest, I was astonished at how good the interior condition was. We're getting a new (to us) car, because we got unlucky with the brand new car we bought, we're not aware of any other 2006 Passats being returned under the lemon law, maybe you were unlucky with this one? Anyway, we will be getting the carfax report, we will take the car to a garage and get an assessment, our friend is very kindly letting us borrow the car, so we can thoroughly test drive it and don't have to rent a car whilst we make a decision. We're also trying to consider carefully what we need out of a car, we reckon it has to be cost effective for 3 years, we're not looking for a car that is going to last a decade, the purchase price on this one is low, lower than the book value, even taking into account the high mileage, so maintenance would have to be very costly for this not to be the case, though of course we have to take into account the faff factor! We've pretty much decided we will not take any kind of loan, so that considerably reduces our options, and means a private sale is likely to be a better bet for us as we can do without the dealer mark ups. Anne |
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Check closely, and have an adult sit in the seat and
try it out. Some models have weight limits for the rear seat that would preclude adults. In others, an adult would be totally squashed in the seat. But if it works, it would be handy--we have a minivan partly because we go places with my parents very frequently (they live next door) and it seems silly to take two cars. To do that, we need at least a 7-seater. If it doesn't work out then so be it, if everything else is fine, this won't make the decision, as I said to Nikki, with various things, we have limited options, I look at this as a potential bonus, rather than necessary in our decision making. My parents will have a car almost all the time they are here as it's illogical to keep returning then collecting a rental and would cost just as much. As long as it's not a mad 80 pound limit, then both me and my parents are small, all under 130lb and 5'6' height so we have a lot more flexibility than if any of us were tall or wide! I've sat in the back of a similar car a while back with no issues, at least not for short journey's! If they were next door, it would be a different matter, but as it is, I expect there will be the visit this year, probably not next year, then the year after and that may be it, I hope DH's parents will put in an appearance at some point, but other friends/relations are likely to be alone and the middle of the back seat works ok for that. Anne Anne |
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"Anne Rogers" wrote in message . .. I have a 2001 Mercury Sable but not the wagon - the 4 door sedan. I would never get another one. We've had to repair to many things and the interior is cheap IMO (things falling off) That is a lot of miles that one has on it. Thanks for being honest, Nikki, thing is, everything I've looked up seems the opposite to what you've said. Could you give me a few ideas of things which have fallen off? I didn't play extensively with the inside, but everything I did use, such as windows, vents, mirrors, behaved as expected and to be honest, I was astonished at how good the interior condition was. We're getting a new (to us) car, because we got unlucky with the brand new car we bought, we're not aware of any other 2006 Passats being returned under the lemon law, maybe you were unlucky with this one? Anyway, we will be getting the carfax report, we will take the car to a garage and get an assessment, our friend is very kindly letting us borrow the car, so we can thoroughly test drive it and don't have to rent a car whilst we make a decision. We're also trying to consider carefully what we need out of a car, we reckon it has to be cost effective for 3 years, we're not looking for a car that is going to last a decade, the purchase price on this one is low, lower than the book value, even taking into account the high mileage, so maintenance would have to be very costly for this not to be the case, though of course we have to take into account the faff factor! We've pretty much decided we will not take any kind of loan, so that considerably reduces our options, and means a private sale is likely to be a better bet for us as we can do without the dealer mark ups. Anne In tomorrow's New York Times's auto section, there is a story about certified cars. One car that was certified by the dealer was actually two halves of two different cars. The person who bought the car noticed that the color on the front and back of the car didn't match. She took it to her mechanic who told about the welds on the car. It turns out that the car has two vehicle identification (serial) numbers - one for the front and one for the back. Both cars were wrecked. Someone bought the cars, sawed them in half and welded them together. Anyway, the point of all this is that if you buy from a good, honest dealer, you don't always know what you are getting because the dealer doesn't know what she is getting. At least with this car, you have a good idea what you are getting. With any car of this age, even the car I have owned for the last 137,000 mi, you are taking a risk. Actually, with any car, even one you pick up at the factory (if you could), there is no way to know whether it will be a good car or not. I would say with this type of deal from honest people, go for it. Jeff |
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Anne Rogers wrote:
Check closely, and have an adult sit in the seat and try it out. Some models have weight limits for the rear seat that would preclude adults. In others, an adult would be totally squashed in the seat. But if it works, it would be handy--we have a minivan partly because we go places with my parents very frequently (they live next door) and it seems silly to take two cars. To do that, we need at least a 7-seater. If it doesn't work out then so be it, if everything else is fine, this won't make the decision, as I said to Nikki, with various things, we have limited options, I look at this as a potential bonus, rather than necessary in our decision making. My parents will have a car almost all the time they are here as it's illogical to keep returning then collecting a rental and would cost just as much. As long as it's not a mad 80 pound limit, Well, as I said, the Volvos had (don't know if they still do) an 88 pound limit and really aren't designed for adult use at all. I found a couple reviews of Mercury Sable wagons in model years near 2001, and they all suggested that the rear seats were suitable only for small children. One review said there was an 80 pound per person limit for the 3rd row seat. Another person posted a review that said that there was a 60 pound limit in theirs, but noted that it was handy that the seat was child-sized so no boosters were needed. Of course, that probably doesn't pass legal muster in a state that requires boosters up to a certain age or weight. At any rate, it doesn't sound all that promising that you could put an adult in back, nor that you could put carseats in back. So, you may have other good reasons to buy the car, but I'm not sure the rear seat will be all that useful to you. Best wishes, Ericka |
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"Anne Rogers" wrote in message Thanks for being honest, Nikki, thing is, everything I've looked up seems the opposite to what you've said. Could you give me a few ideas of things which have fallen off? We've had to replace the oil pan and something with the radiator and something else that is escaping me right now. Inside the door panel things keep falling off. One fell off and the other the fabric came off. I read the reviews as well and thought it would be better then it has been. Perhaps I'm just unlucky It was ranked good in safety and has side impact air bags and such. Of course I had the air bags in front disengaged because Hunter has to sit there and he's to small for airbags. If the price is low enough it could still be a good deal (especially with no loan) but I wouldn't expect more then three years out of it if you put many more miles on it. The good news is that if something is just wrong from the beginning it has already been repaired with that many miles. I'd for sure get a high mileage vehicle if I was just getting around town but I do a ton of travel for work so need something more reliable. -- Nikki, mama to Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 Brock 4/06 Ben 4/06 I didn't play extensively with the inside, but everything I did use, such as windows, vents, mirrors, behaved as expected and to be honest, I was astonished at how good the interior condition was. We're getting a new (to us) car, because we got unlucky with the brand new car we bought, we're not aware of any other 2006 Passats being returned under the lemon law, maybe you were unlucky with this one? Anyway, we will be getting the carfax report, we will take the car to a garage and get an assessment, our friend is very kindly letting us borrow the car, so we can thoroughly test drive it and don't have to rent a car whilst we make a decision. We're also trying to consider carefully what we need out of a car, we reckon it has to be cost effective for 3 years, we're not looking for a car that is going to last a decade, the purchase price on this one is low, lower than the book value, even taking into account the high mileage, so maintenance would have to be very costly for this not to be the case, though of course we have to take into account the faff factor! We've pretty much decided we will not take any kind of loan, so that considerably reduces our options, and means a private sale is likely to be a better bet for us as we can do without the dealer mark ups. Anne |
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If the price is low enough it could still be a good deal (especially with
no loan) but I wouldn't expect more then three years out of it if you put many more miles on it. The good news is that if something is just wrong from the beginning it has already been repaired with that many miles. I'd for sure get a high mileage vehicle if I was just getting around town but I do a ton of travel for work so need something more reliable. we're very different car users to you, the most I usually drive is 5 miles from home, we'd probably put about 6000 miles on a car in a year, maybe 8000, if we did one long trip (which we have no plans to do currently). My husband cycles to work, we have a good local bus service, a car rental place where we get a discount within walking distance etc. So whilst, we don't exactly want a car that always needs to be in the garage, we've coped fine with taking the car we're returning into the garage on a ridiculously regular basis. Anne |
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