MCS Patients React To Chemicals Only When They Can Be Smelled

On Mar 12, 4:16*am, Bee wrote:
On Mar 11, 11:18*pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:

Institute of Psychiatry

Does that mean that is where Mark S Probert belongs?

Well, that would be a long way up for him if that were the case...

That would be a long way up for those poor people who still think that
MCS is a phyical disorder. Understanding that it is in their head is
the first step to recovery.

In your case, though, looking in your head is looking in the wrong
end.

On Mar 12, 4:20 am, Mark Probert
wrote:Understanding that it is in their head is
the first step to recovery.

"this may explain the elevated levels of ALS seen in Gulf War
veterans"

I would say the studies show a .. **difference** .
One Gulf War guy manifests ALS the other guy doesn't .. showing a
propensity TO developement .. ?

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Health Problems in Persian Gulf War Veterans Higher Due to Chemical
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A study by researchers at the University of California, San Diego
School of Medicine shows there is increasing evidence that high rates
of illness in Persian Gulf War Veterans can be explained, in part, by
exposure to certain chemicals, including pesticides and nerve
agents.







Newswise -- A study by researchers at the University of California, San
Diego School of Medicine shows there is increasing evidence that high
rates of illness in Persian Gulf War Veterans can be explained, in
part, by exposure to certain chemicals, including pesticides and nerve
agents. Veterans from the 1990-91 conflict have a higher rate of
chronic, multi-symptom health problems than either non-deployed
personnel or those deployed elsewhere. Symptoms routinely reported by
these veterans include fatigue, muscle or joint pain, memory problems,
trouble sleeping, rash and breathing problems.

"This evidence suggests that exposure to this certain class of
chemical may be linked to elevated risk of health problems," said
Beatrice Golomb, M.D., Ph.D., associate professor of medicine at the
UC San Diego School of Medicine, whose study will be published in the
early online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences (PNAS) the week of March 10.

"Health issues among Gulf War veterans have been a concern for nearly
two decades. Now, enough studies have been conducted, and results
shared, to be able to say with considerable confidence that there is a
link between chemical exposure and chronic, multi-symptom health
problems," said Golomb. "Furthermore, the same chemicals affecting
Gulf War veterans may be involved in similar cases of unexplained,
multi-symptom health problems in the general population."

The study synthesized evidence regarding a class of chemicals known as
acetylcholinesterase inhibitors (AChEis) and organophosphates (OP),
which includes nerve gas chemicals. Some military personnel were
exposed to nerve gas (sarin) when demolishing Iraqi munitions. Also,
the pesticides used aggressively in Gulf regions to control sand flies
and other insects fall in the same category of chemicals. This
includes the carbamate pyridostigmine bromide (PB) pills originally
given to service members to protect against potential nerve-agent
exposure. (Note: As a result of an earlier RAND corporation report by
Golomb outlining the risks of using such pills, military policy has
been changed.)

The study linked exposure to each of these chemicals with the chronic,
multi-symptom health problems in 25 to 33 percent of returning Gulf
War veterans.

"There is evidence that genetics have something to do with how a body
handles exposure to these chemicals," said Golomb. "Some people are
genetically less able to withstand these toxins and evidence shows
that these individuals have higher chance of suffering the effects of
exposure." Specifically, illness is linked to lower activity of
enzymes that detoxify AChEis, due to genetic variants The enzymes
known to be involved are paraoxonase (PON) for OPs, including sarin,
and butyrylcholinesterase (BChE) for PB.

Among those service members given PB pills as a preventive measure,
those with the mutations that reduced their ability to detoxify the
pills were at significantly higher risk of illness, according to
Golomb.

Previous studies have shown genetic variants of these enzymes are also
associated with increased rates of some neurological diseases, such as
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease. Golomb
says this may explain the elevated levels of ALS seen in Gulf War
veterans.

Some of the chemicals linked to these multi-symptom illnesses continue
to be used in agriculture, and at homes and offices for pest control
in the United States and around the globe. Studies not related to the
Gulf War showed that agricultural workers exposed to organophosphate
pesticides had 10 times the number of health symptoms as those not
exposed.

"Again, genetic variants that hamper defense against these chemicals
were linked to higher risk of health problems. These findings carry
important implications for current members of the armed forces as well
as the general public, suggesting that exposure to these pesticides in
any setting may increase risk for impaired neuropsychological function
and poor health" said Golomb.
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(c) 2008 Newswise. All Rights Reserved.


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On Mar 12, 4:16 am, Bee wrote:

On Mar 11, 11:18 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:

Institute of Psychiatry

Does that mean that is where Mark S Probert belongs?

Well, that would be a long way up for him if that were the case...

That would be a long way up for those poor people who still think that
MCS is a phyical disorder. Understanding that it is in their head is
the first step to recovery.

In your case, though, looking in your head is looking in the wrong
end.

On Mar 12, 4:18*am, Mark Probert wrote:


It does exist, as a psychosomatic disorder.

Are you a doctor that specializes in environmental medicine?
Please state your personal experience with MCS.

On Mar 12, 4:20*am, Mark Probert wrote:

That would be a long way up for those poor people who still think that
MCS is a phyical disorder. Understanding that it is in their head is
the first step to recovery.

In your case, though, looking in your head is looking in the wrong
end.

The day you tell me that you are a medical doctor specializing in
Environmental Medicine, and have years of personal experience in
diagnosing this syndrome then I might consider believing you. Until
then, it is my ever so humble opinion, that your knowledge on this
subject matter is zero.

Just because you read books or studies on something, does not make
you an authority.

On Mar 12, 11:36*am, Bee wrote:
On Mar 12, 4:18*am, Mark Probert wrote:



It does exist, as a psychosomatic disorder.

Are you a doctor that specializes in environmental medicine?
Please state your personal experience with MCS.

I have no personal experience with MCS, as I do not have a
psychosomatic disorder.

I also have no personal experience of jumping our of an airplane
without a parachute. However, I can freely suggest that a person not
try it.

Of course, since I have no personal experience, please do NOT listen
to me.

(Does having a main chute not open and having to use a back-up chute
count? Sure did raise my pulse.)

On Mar 12, 11:38*am, Bee wrote:
On Mar 12, 4:20*am, Mark Probert wrote:

That would be a long way up for those poor people who still think that
MCS is a phyical disorder. Understanding that it is in their head is
the first step to recovery.

In your case, though, looking in your head is looking in the wrong
end.

The day you tell me that you are a medical doctor specializing in
Environmental Medicine, and have years of personal experience in
diagnosing this syndrome then I might consider believing you. Until
then, it is my ever so humble opinion, that your knowledge on this
subject matter is zero.

Just because you read books or studies on something, does not make
you an authority.

Incorrect. I would claim to be an expert in MCS if I were a certified
psychiatrist with years of experience in treating psychosomatic
disorders.

BTW, as I have said before, a psychosomatic disorder is often more
disabling than a physical one, an can be a hell of a lot harder to
treat.

On Mar 12, 8:45*pm, Mark Probert wrote:

I have no personal experience with MCS, as I do not have a
psychosomatic disorder.

It sounds like your health is 100% in perfect order. Good for
you.
How about your buddies in Vietnam, though, the ones that were exposed
to
Agent Orange---do they not count? You know the ones that were spit
on,
and not welcomed home properly as they should have been. You know the
guys/women and even civilians that served in Viet Nam. Do you not
care about
them, and their families?

I also have no personal experience of jumping our of an airplane
without a parachute. However, I can freely suggest that a person not
try it.

I do not have any personal experience of jumping out of an airplane
without
a parachute either.

On Mar 12, 8:47*pm, Mark Probert wrote:


Bee: Just because you read books or studies on something, does not make
you an authority.

Incorrect. I would claim to be an expert in MCS if I were a certified
psychiatrist with years of experience in treating psychosomatic
disorders.

And you would be an expert witness if you had years of experience,
including
personal experience as well, as an environmental doctor, or
Toxicologist, with
years of clinical setting experience. And no conflicts of interest,
ofcourse as well,
correct; not in bed with insurance companies, attorneys that defend
insurance companies,
chemical companies, big business. If, one is truly to be an expert
witness on any given
subject, it is my opinion, that they need to fully disclose what
organizations that they are
involved in, and just friendly they are with those corporations.

BTW, as I have said before, a psychosomatic disorder is often more
disabling than a physical one, an can be a hell of a lot harder to
treat.

By the way, I see the governor is "retiring." Tonight's news said the
investigators, simply
"followed the money." Was the money being laundered in your state
being laundered with
Tide, Cheer, or a Non Toxic Laundry soap?

On Mar 13, 1:38*am, Bee wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:45*pm, Mark Probert wrote:

I have no personal experience with MCS, as I do not have a
psychosomatic disorder.

* It sounds like your health is 100% in perfect order. *Good for
you.
How about your buddies in Vietnam, though, the ones that were exposed
to
Agent Orange---do they not count?

They do not have MCS. They have chemical specific problems.

*You know the ones that were spit
on,
and not welcomed home properly as they should have been. *You know the
guys/women and even civilians that served in Viet Nam. *Do you not
care about
them, and their families?

Certainly do. Giving them factual imformation about their real
problems is so important. Telling them that they are chemically
sensitive when they are not is not helping them in the slightest.

I also have no personal experience of jumping our of an airplane
without a parachute. However, I can freely suggest that a person not
try it.

I do not have any personal experience of jumping out of an airplane
without
a parachute either.

Get some. You probably have no experience jumping.
'

On Mar 13, 1:43*am, Bee wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:47*pm, Mark Probert wrote:



Bee: *Just because you read books or studies on something, does not make
you an authority.

Incorrect. I would claim to be an expert in MCS if I were a certified
psychiatrist with years of experience in treating psychosomatic
disorders.

And you would be an expert witness if you had years of experience,
including
personal experience as well, as an environmental doctor, or
Toxicologist, with
years of clinical setting experience. *

Not to discuss a psychosomatic disorder. They would be ruled
inadmissible under Daubert or Frye,.


And no conflicts of interest,
ofcourse as well,
correct; not in bed with insurance companies, attorneys that defend
insurance companies,
chemical companies, big business. *If, one is truly to be an expert
witness on any given
subject, it is my opinion, that they need to fully disclose what
organizations that they are
involved in, and just friendly they are with those corporations.

That is part of the voir dire and cross examination.

BTW, as I have said before, a psychosomatic disorder is often more
disabling than a physical one, an can be a hell of a lot harder to
treat.

By the way, I see the governor is "retiring." *Tonight's news said the
investigators, simply
"followed the money." * *Was the money being laundered in your state
being laundered with
Tide, Cheer, or a Non Toxic Laundry soap?