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Autism Vaccine Decision
In message V_kCj.21646$TT4.6880@attbi_s22, Skeptic wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 11:50 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: http://www.whptv.com/news/local/stor...88f13a3-526e-4... Autism Vaccine Decision They exist to protect our children from deadly diseases, This is not true. Vaccines exist to supposedly protect our children from diseases. The "deadly" remark is not warrented unless you have an incompetent allopath for a doctor. REPLY: A kiddo just died from the flu in MA a few weeks ago. A vaccine certainly may have saved a life there. Vaccines do protect against diseases that can and do kill. They are also diseases that even if they don't kill can have serious morbidity. Remember, you're replying to someone who doesn't believe that diseases are communicable despite millennia of case histories. -- | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions ----------+ |
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Autism Vaccine Decision
On Mar 13, 11:02*pm, (David Wright) wrote:
In article , wrote: On Mar 11, 11:50*pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: http://www.whptv.com/news/local/stor...88f13a3-526e-4.... Autism Vaccine Decision They exist to protect our children from deadly diseases, This is not true. *Vaccines exist to supposedly protect our children from diseases. *The "deadly" remark is not warrented unless you have an incompetent allopath for a doctor. According to Cee, his heroes the orthopaths could cure anything. *Of course, we have no way of knowing this now and it seems unlikely. The specific culprit is thimerosal, a mercury based preservative that was in most vaccines. It was removed in 2001. This is not an accurate fact. *The thimerosal laden vaccines were available and used until at least 2003. *The thimerosal amount was "reduced" in some vaccines but remains high in others. *The actual amount of thimerosal children are exposed to, from the fetus to the 3 year old, has actually increased. That, of course, is a complete lie, since the number of vaccines containing thimerosal that are given to children is now much less than it was a decade ago, and the amount of mercury remaining in the current vaccines is so small that the entire vaccine series contains less than a single injection did a decade ago. (Flu vaccine can be an exception. *If this worries you, don't get your kid a flu shot, or insist on the type that's thimerosal-free.) Thimerosal remains in some vaccines including the flu shot. This is an accurate statement. *It is also in the Rhogam shots during pregnancy. Which not every woman gets, of course. Hannah Poling was also diagnosed with mitochondrial, a rare metabolic disorder that shares symptoms with autism. The federal court concedes vaccines may have caused that disorder and "autism-like" symptoms in Hannah. I suspect that all autistics have "autism-like " symptoms. *What in the hell does some weasel word like "autism-like" symptoms mean? You could look it up, but you'd just dismiss it as inaccurate when you found out it wasn't autism. *So why bother? That's the great thing about Cee. *He already has all the answers, so he never needs to learn anything or ask any questions. Kevin Leitch blogged about the "autism-like symnptoms" from the report: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=735 IOW, Hannah does not have enough autism symptoms to be diagnosed as having autism. And, for Chuckie the Schmuckie, try reading the article for comprehension and to learn how to analyze medical information. Kev does a great job in this area, unlike him. |
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Autism Vaccine Decision
Jan Drew wrote:
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/stor...f-ed1aebfc427c Autism Vaccine Decision They exist to protect our children from deadly diseases, but a landmark federal case may shed some doubt about vaccines in the minds of parents. A court has decided to compensate a family who claims their daughter developed autism from her vaccine. "For the first time the court has conceded in a case that indicates that vaccines can indeed cause autism," says John Gilmore, Autism United. The case is that of 9-year-old Hannah Poling of Atlanta, Georgia. Before the concession, Hannah's case was to be heard in the federal vaccine court. The decision is fanning the flames of the controversial firestorm dividing the medical and autism communities. Thousands of parents, including Adams County mom Holly Bortfeld, claim their child's autism was injected into them with the vaccine. CBS 21 News interviewed Bortfeld last April about her son Max, who was diagnosed with autism ten years ago. "I believe he got autism from his vaccinations," says Bortfeld. The specific culprit is thimerosal, a mercury based preservative that was in most vaccines. It was removed in 2001. But for max, Hannah and scores of others who got the shots before then, this case out of Atlanta is helping their arguments. But will it hurt vaccines? "I think it's a little bit of a leap of faith to go from this case to vaccines definitely cause autism," says Dr. Paul Williams, Houcks Road Family Practice. Dr. Williams says since the documents on Hannah's case are sealed, he says he doesn't know what the judge's based their decision on. Was it scientific fact or was it just political expediency? As for vaccines today Dr. Williams says, "At this point I feel comfortable and confident that the current vaccine supply is safe and I wouldn't hesitate in vaccinating my family or my patients." Thimerosal remains in some vaccines including the flu shot. Hannah's family is asking for mercury to be removed from all vaccines, and they just might have the political weight behind them now to get their demands met. Hannah Poling was also diagnosed with mitochondrial, a rare metabolic disorder that shares symptoms with autism. The federal court concedes vaccines may have caused that disorder and "autism-like" symptoms in Hannah. Since when is scientific truth determined by court decision? Even if the Supreme Court decreed that the sun sets in the east, that would not make it so. --Rich |
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Jan Drew wrote:
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/stor...f-ed1aebfc427c Autism Vaccine Decision They exist to protect our children from deadly diseases, but a landmark federal case may shed some doubt about vaccines in the minds of parents. A court has decided to compensate a family who claims their daughter developed autism from her vaccine. "For the first time the court has conceded in a case that indicates that vaccines can indeed cause autism," says John Gilmore, Autism United. The case is that of 9-year-old Hannah Poling of Atlanta, Georgia. Before the concession, Hannah's case was to be heard in the federal vaccine court. The decision is fanning the flames of the controversial firestorm dividing the medical and autism communities. Thousands of parents, including Adams County mom Holly Bortfeld, claim their child's autism was injected into them with the vaccine. CBS 21 News interviewed Bortfeld last April about her son Max, who was diagnosed with autism ten years ago. "I believe he got autism from his vaccinations," says Bortfeld. The specific culprit is thimerosal, a mercury based preservative that was in most vaccines. It was removed in 2001. But for max, Hannah and scores of others who got the shots before then, this case out of Atlanta is helping their arguments. But will it hurt vaccines? "I think it's a little bit of a leap of faith to go from this case to vaccines definitely cause autism," says Dr. Paul Williams, Houcks Road Family Practice. Dr. Williams says since the documents on Hannah's case are sealed, he says he doesn't know what the judge's based their decision on. Was it scientific fact or was it just political expediency? As for vaccines today Dr. Williams says, "At this point I feel comfortable and confident that the current vaccine supply is safe and I wouldn't hesitate in vaccinating my family or my patients." Thimerosal remains in some vaccines including the flu shot. Hannah's family is asking for mercury to be removed from all vaccines, and they just might have the political weight behind them now to get their demands met. Hannah Poling was also diagnosed with mitochondrial, a rare metabolic disorder that shares symptoms with autism. The federal court concedes vaccines may have caused that disorder and "autism-like" symptoms in Hannah. Since when is scientific truth determined by court decision? Even if the Supreme Court decreed that the sun sets in the east, that would not make it so. --Rich |
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On Mar 14, 12:42*pm, Richard Shewmaker wrote:
Since when is scientific truth determined by court decision? Even if the * Supreme Court decreed that the sun sets in the east, that would not make it so. --Rich- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would hope not. Yet the gov thinks they can decide what is good for your health, force you to drop your pants, and take as many shots of vaccines as they deem necessary, thus proving that the sun sets in the East. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. |
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Autism Vaccine Decision
On Mar 14, 12:33*pm, Richard Shewmaker wrote:
Jan Drew wrote: http://www.whptv.com/news/local/stor...88f13a3-526e-4.... Autism Vaccine Decision They exist to protect our children from deadly diseases, but a landmark federal case may shed some doubt about vaccines in the minds of parents. A court has decided to compensate a family who claims their daughter developed autism from her vaccine. "For the first time the court has conceded in a case that indicates that vaccines can indeed cause autism," says John Gilmore, Autism United. The case is that of 9-year-old Hannah Poling of Atlanta, Georgia. Before the concession, Hannah's case was to be heard in the federal vaccine court. |
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In message , The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
Rich, welcome back to MHA! *I'd love to say that it has changed for the better, but you know better! MHA is an eternal manifestation of Eternal September. Both in that some of the participants are stuck in centuries past and never leave them, and in that some topics never change in form, only in the even-du-jour which is plugged into the contemporary reincarnation of threads long dead. -- | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions ----------+ |
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Autism Vaccine Decision
On Mar 14, 2:03*pm, wrote:
On Mar 14, 12:42*pm, Richard Shewmaker wrote: Since when is scientific truth determined by court decision? Even if the * Supreme Court decreed that the sun sets in the east, that would not make it so. --Rich- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would hope not. * Tell that to those who incessantly post about Barrett and the courts. Yet the gov thinks they can decide what is good for your health, Lousy analogy, Chuckie. When the government makes recommendations, they are basing it on experts. When the courts make decisions, they are basing it on sympathy. Fortunately, under Daubert and Frye, that will change. force you to drop your pants, So you can speak louder. and take as many shots of vaccines as they deem necessary, thus proving that the sun sets in the East. Only if you put logic on its head. |
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Autism Vaccine Decision--flu shots not effective
"Skeptic" wrote in message news:V_kCj.21646$TT4.6880@attbi_s22... wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 11:50 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: http://www.whptv.com/news/local/stor...88f13a3-526e-4... Autism Vaccine Decision They exist to protect our children from deadly diseases, This is not true. Vaccines exist to supposedly protect our children from diseases. The "deadly" remark is not warrented unless you have an incompetent allopath for a doctor. REPLY: A kiddo just died from the flu in MA a few weeks ago. A vaccine certainly may have saved a life there. Vaccines do protect against diseases that can and do kill. They are also diseases that even if they don't kill can have serious morbidity. http://www.medicalconsumers.org/page...heElderly.html http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20804 http://www.doctorbob.com/vd--flu-shot-season.html == A yearly flu shot for healthy babies and children is a relatively new policy in the U.S. As noted, last year's reports of flu-related deaths among healthy children drove many panicked people to line up for flu shots. But the CDC web site (as of October 22, 2004) acknowledges that there is no way of knowing whether more children than usual died of the flu last winter. "Because the number of influenza deaths in children has not been tracked before, it's not possible to compare the number of deaths in children this year with previous years." As far as the CDC knows, 152 children died of influenza in the 2003-04 season. For this article, the CDC officials were asked how many of these children had been severely ill before they got influenza. Answer: "The CDC will report these statistics at the end of this year." (The agency would not permit direct access to its scientists for this article, so the answers to all questions came via a press officer.) Since CDC had used these deaths to promote flu shots and has since admitted the vaccine was largely ineffective, it is important to know more about the children who died. One imperfect study supports policy on babies The basis of the CDC recommendation for babies between 6 and 23 months rests on one rather imperfect study conducted in Colorado during last year's flu season. It was a retrospective study of the nearly 30,000 children enrolled in a Kaiser Permanente health plan. The 6-23 month-olds represented only about one-sixth of all the children in the health plan. The study was funded by the CDC and led by Debra P. Ritzwoller, PhD, research scientist in the Research Unit at Kaiser Permanente, Colorado. In a telephone interview, Dr. Ritzwoller was asked to explain the results, as they were not described clearly on the CDC Web site. Compared to unvaccinated children, the vaccinated children had 49% fewer cases of influenza, according to Dr. Ritzwoller. This finding, she noted, applied only to the children who had influenza A or B. Whereas, there was a smaller benefit to those with the more common influenza-like illness: 25% fewer cases among the vaccinated kids. But the key question is: 49% and 25% of what? Dr. Ritzwoller was not able to provide the answer. Here's why the question is important: If few children in this study got the flu, then these reductions are less than meets the eye. For example, if 10,000 kids belong to a health plan, and only four of the unvaccinated kids and three of the vaccinated kids got an influenza-like illness, that's 25% fewer cases. The children had their illness type determined in laboratory tests that were administered in the emergency room. Unlike the well-designed clinical trials that formed the basis of the Cochrane Reviews, the Colorado Kaiser Permanente study had not randomly assigned the children to receive a flu vaccine or a placebo vaccine. This study appeared online last summer in the MMWR (Morbidity & Mortality Weekly Report), but is yet to be published in a peer-reviewed journal. When asked whether the flu vaccine caused any adverse reactions, Dr. Ritzwoller said there were none, but acknowledged some gaps in her study. "Hospital admissions were not tracked, and the parents were not interviewed," she explained, attributing this to inadequate CDC funding. The CDC's rationale for its relatively new policy regarding yearly flu shots for babies 6-23 months is also based on their purportedly worse incidence of influenza complications. But consumer advocate Barbara Loe Fisher has her doubts. Giving the flu vaccine to babies under age two who are likely to receive other, standard childhood immunizations at the same doctor visit is a "national experiment," said Fisher. She faults the CDC for creating hysteria about the dangers of the flu-last year and this year-without warning parents and doctors about the unknowns surrounding the safety of the flu vaccine in combination with other childhood vaccines. The one exception she identified was Prevnar, the pneumonia vaccine which has been studied in combination with the flu vaccine. Fisher is concerned about public health officials "cavalierly adding yet another vaccine to the childhood regimen without proof of safety or efficacy." A new Japanese study, published in Pediatrics International, supports her concerns. Japanese babies, aged 6 to 24 months, had been vaccinated against influenza A and then age-matched to unvaccinated babies. All the babies were followed for three flu seasons. The study found that the vaccine was ineffective in preventing influenza A. What's more, the research team led by Tao Maeda concluded that influenza vaccination of healthy infants and young children is not justified unless the benefits clearly outweigh the risks. More studies are needed, say the Japanese researchers, before vaccinating children under the age of two becomes public policy. |
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Autism Vaccine Decision
"Mark Probert" wrote : Chuckie the Schmuckie Typical personal attacking and name calling form disbarred, hypocrite and proven liar. |
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