vericella vaccine

My 12 month old son received his chicken pox immunization five days ago and
now appears to have a pretty good case of chicken pox. He has well over a
hundred spots and is running a fever. Is this normal?

Amy

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:33:31 -0700, "Amy Hunt"
wrote:

My 12 month old son received his chicken pox immunization five days ago and
now appears to have a pretty good case of chicken pox. He has well over a
hundred spots and is running a fever. Is this normal?

No, but if he got the shot only 5 days age, he most certainly caught
the actual chickenpox virus before he got the shot, and is now
developing the disease from the virus, not the vaccine. The rash and
fever of chickenpox usually occur about 2 to 3 weeks after exposure,
so with such a long incubation period and with widespread vaccination
it is not only possible but expected that occasionally someone out
there will be unlucky enough to be already incubating the virus,
unbeknownst to anyone, at the time they get the shot.

The rash from the vaccine itself that can rarely occur is usually much
milder, does not tend to cause fever, and tends to occur about 2 to 4
weeks after vaccination.

Ask your child's physician if he could culture one of your child's
vesicle to determine if it is a wild-type virus (most likely) or
vaccine strain virus (highly improbable, but this would be useful
information if it were).

Also ask him to file a report to the CDC. See:

https://secure.vaers.org/VaersDataEntryintro.htm

PF

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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:33:31 -0700, "Amy Hunt"
wrote:

My 12 month old son received his chicken pox immunization five days
ago and
now appears to have a pretty good case of chicken pox. He has well
over a
hundred spots and is running a fever. Is this normal?

No, but if he got the shot only 5 days age, he most certainly caught
the actual chickenpox virus before he got the shot, and is now
developing the disease from the virus, not the vaccine. The rash and
fever of chickenpox usually occur about 2 to 3 weeks after exposure,
so with such a long incubation period and with widespread
vaccination
it is not only possible but expected that occasionally someone out
there will be unlucky enough to be already incubating the virus,
unbeknownst to anyone, at the time they get the shot.


*Interesting* My son got the chicken pox less than a week after the
vaccine, but it was impossible for him to have gotten them from
someone else, as we dont' go anywhere, and when I called to report it
to the doctors, it was the first case they'd had this year (he got the
pox in Feb), so it would have had to be the vaccine. No one else we
know had it... only contact he had was the vaccine.

The good news is that CP seems to be mild at that age. Our boys had it and
although the spots look bad they didn't seem to itch much. Watch the
temperature.

"Amy Hunt" wrote in message
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My 12 month old son received his chicken pox immunization five days ago
and
now appears to have a pretty good case of chicken pox. He has well over a
hundred spots and is running a fever. Is this normal?

Amy

From what I've read it could be a generalized reaction rash and not true
chicken pox. Check out information on the CDC's vaccine page - your doctor
can send in a culture from one of the spots to determine if it is a "wild"
or vaccine strain of varicella, if that's what caused it. You should
definitely contact your doctor, as chicken pox in infants can be very
severe.

I think it's more likely that your son was exposed before receiving the
vaccine - you can be contagious a couple of days before you break out in a
rash. Varicella is extremely contagious and spreads by direct contact,
droplet transmission (someone sneezing nearby) and airborne transmission.
It takes 10-21 days for the virus to erupt in spots, so even if the weakened
vaccine would cause an infection, your son shouldn't show any symptoms for
another week unless his immune system is very weak.

According to the CDC - http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vaccine/varicella/

What problems can occur after chickenpox vaccination?

Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given is the most common
side effect, occurring about 20% of the time.

A very mild rash or several small bumps can result in about 1% to 4% of
vaccine recipients. [NOTE: In very rare instances, it may be possible for
someone who gets a rash from chickenpox vaccine to give vaccine strain
chickenpox to another person. Persons developing a rash after vaccination
should take extra precautions to avoid contact with anyone whose immune
system is not working properly.]

In children, the vaccine does not cause fever. There have not been studies
comparing fever following vaccination in adults who were vaccinated with
adults who were not vaccinated. The vaccine may cause a mild fever 2 weeks
after vaccination.

A seizure (jerking and staring spell) usually caused by fever may occur in
less than 1 in 1000 vaccine recipients. This may not be related to the
vaccine.

Cadie wrote:

*Interesting* My son got the chicken pox less than a week
after the
vaccine, but it was impossible for him to have gotten them
from
someone else, as we dont' go anywhere, and when I called
to report it
to the doctors, it was the first case they'd had this year
(he got the
pox in Feb), so it would have had to be the vaccine. No
one else we
know had it... only contact he had was the vaccine.

The incubation periods are long and people may shed without
overt disease so he may have had an exposure that you are
not aware of (he wasn't totally isolated from all human
contact I assume). Also, his rash may not have been from
chicken pox. I think both of those would be more likely than
getting the disease with such a short incubation period.

--
CBI, MD

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Cadie wrote:

*Interesting* My son got the chicken pox less than a week
after the
vaccine, but it was impossible for him to have gotten them
from
someone else, as we dont' go anywhere, and when I called
to report it
to the doctors, it was the first case they'd had this year
(he got the
pox in Feb), so it would have had to be the vaccine. No
one else we
know had it... only contact he had was the vaccine.

The incubation periods are long and people may shed without
overt disease so he may have had an exposure that you are
not aware of (he wasn't totally isolated from all human
contact I assume). Also, his rash may not have been from
chicken pox. I think both of those would be more likely than
getting the disease with such a short incubation period.

--
CBI, MD


Not fully isolated no. Only around family, and none of them had
chickenpox. I didn't have a car, was just in an accident a month
prior and hadn't yet gotten it fixed, so I was unable to leave the
house. That trip to the doctor was the only time I took him anywhere
other than my moms house.

But I know you can get the chickenpox from the vaccine. I honestly
can't argue with biology. I'm a nursing student, and we had just gone
over vaccines in anatomy, and she discussed a microbiology
experiement. Chicken pox is a live virus and can give someone the
chicken pox. His doctor also agreed it was from the vaccine. I found
it interesting to hear because it goes against all I've learned about
the vaccine.

"Richard" wrote in message
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After Amy Hunt wrote:
My 12 month old son received his chicken pox immunization five days ago
and
now appears to have a pretty good case of chicken pox. He has well over
a
hundred spots and is running a fever. Is this normal?

John replied with:
: Looks like vaccine varicella, run from all vaccines, they are the real
: danger in childhood [ . . . ]


Dear John,
The incubation period of the varicella virus is usually 14-16 days.
Some
cases may occur as early as 10 or as late as 21 days after exposure.
Making
statements like the one above serves only to undermine your credibility.

I am not taking sides on this issue, only pointing out that, by saying
what
you have said, you weaken every single other argument you offer.

John does not have one single strong argument.

"Richard" wrote in message
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Dear John,
The incubation period of the varicella virus is usually 14-16 days.
Some
cases may occur as early as 10 or as late as 21 days after exposure.
Making
statements like the one above serves only to undermine your credibility.

I am not taking sides on this issue, only pointing out that, by saying
what
you have said, you weaken every single other argument you offer.

Richard
Micaela's dad


Varicella vaccine is the biggest load of rubbish after flu vaccine. The
deaths from varicella are mostly down to allopathic drugs like steroids, so
you are risking death etc from the vaccine to "save" deaths in immune
deficient adults mostly, assuming the vaccine would prevent that which is
wishful thinking--they would die from some other infection if they were
going to sucumb.

I don't subscribe to the allopathic disease model anyway, they have never
proved it is a good thing to suppress chickenpox or measles. Where does the
virus come from anyway? Do some research before you blindly follow
propaganda http://www.whale.to/vaccines/varicella4.html

"john" wrote in message
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"Richard" wrote in message
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Dear John,
The incubation period of the varicella virus is usually 14-16 days.
Some
cases may occur as early as 10 or as late as 21 days after exposure.
Making
statements like the one above serves only to undermine your credibility.

I am not taking sides on this issue, only pointing out that, by saying
what
you have said, you weaken every single other argument you offer.

Richard
Micaela's dad


Varicella vaccine is the biggest load of rubbish after flu vaccine.

But is minor in comparison to that found on whale.to.

The
deaths from varicella are mostly down to allopathic drugs like steroids,
so
you are risking death etc from the vaccine to "save" deaths in immune
deficient adults mostly, assuming the vaccine would prevent that which is
wishful thinking--they would die from some other infection if they were
going to sucumb.

Note how John mentions deaths, ignorning the other serious complications
that lead to disability.

I don't subscribe to the allopathic disease model anyway, they have never
proved it is a good thing to suppress chickenpox or measles. Where does
the
virus come from anyway? Do some research before you blindly follow
propaganda http://www.whale.to/vaccines/varicella4.html

One of the leading websites on the internet when it comes to crap
information.