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FL DCF big fined $80K and faces more for ignoring what Judges order
Greg wrote
You should be happy your "false trail" worked SO WELL! Kane wrote It would have had you not outed me, you clever rascal you. Now where's your proof I'm him? Oh, but I BELIEVE! ROFL! |
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FL DCF big fined $80K and faces more for ignoring what Judges order
Greegor wrote: You think the Governor has no power to resolve such a problem? Well, he would have to do it within the boundaries of law. Budgets are assigned by legislature and agreed upon by the governor in most states. If he wants to move money around guess who he has to get permission from...or risk losing the next election he runs for any office? Party support tends to be critical to winning. Now, as to your silliness..... Read'm and weep, dummy...toadjahso R R R R R : http://www.tampabays10.com/news/loca...?storyid=46311 DCF wins favorable ruling in mentally ill inmates case TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - An appeals court says a judge who threatened to drop a mentally ill inmate at the office of the secretary of the Department of Children and Families if her agency didn't move him from jail to a hospital didn't have the authority to make such orders. Another judge also previously threatened to jail and fine Secretary Luci Hadi if her agency didn't remove inmates from the Pinellas County Jail. The DCF is also appealing that case. Hadi has announced that she will not seek the position under Gov elect Charlie Crist, State law requires inmates found to be mentally incompetent to be transferred within 15 days to a state hospital. DCF says it couldn't follow the law because all of its mental hospitals were full and it had no money to provide more beds. The appeals court says Hadi cannot be held in contempt of court if she is incapable of complying with the order and not willfully ignoring it. Lawmakers are expected to meet next month to decide whether to approve more than 16 million for more beds. (Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) 0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: Did these 300 "insanity defense" defendants show up all at once? You wouldn't be suggesting that if there were no beds for the 300, there had to be if you did them one at a time, would you? Who suggested turning them loose, Dan? Where should they be placed? She had TIME to get on top of this problem. And the money? Where would they be placed, Greg? Two other Judges may fine her also for such stuff! You agree then that judges should penalize the executive branch for conditions caused by the legislative? If you bother to read a bit more carefully it's not hard to see that there were no funds for creating those 300 beds, Greg. Not one of them, not ten, not 50, not 300. Of course, by your reconning then if she could place one the judge shouldn't have fined her? Greg, DCF doesn't create money. It begs for it like all government agencies. If they do not get enough to perform their job then suing them or fining them isn't going to MAKE them do the job. Could be why she resigned, don't you think? If I needed a hammer and a saw to build something for my "boss" and he refused to provide the saw then I guess I'd just have to quit, or be "fined." Where would you place those 300, Greg? 0:- 0:- wrote: Dan Sullivan wrote: Greegor wrote: Get it before it's removed! Lucy D. Hadi BIO! www.dcf.state.fl.us/admin/docs/hadibio.pdf Resignation letter amendment http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miam...esignation.pdf http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...a-news-broward DCF chief retires one day after she is fined Lucy Hadi kept mentally ill in jail By Bill Hirschman And Mark Hollis South Florida Sun-Sentinel Posted December 2 2006 Lucy Hadi, the embattled head of Florida's chief social services agency, announced Friday that she was retiring -- one day after a judge fined her $80,000 for not transferring mentally ill people out of jails and into treatment hospitals. Her departure as secretary of the Department of Children & Families takes effect at the end of January so that she can help in the transition to a successor. Hadi, 60, told staffers her retirement had nothing to do with contempt-of-court proceedings pending in five counties including Broward and Miami-Dade, a spokesman said. She had resigned Nov. 7 as a formality to let Gov.-elect Charlie Crist name his own department head. But she wrote Gov. Jeb Bush Friday that she wanted to amend her resignation to "retire from state service." Hadi had not been asked to leave either by Bush or Crist, said Al Zimmerman, her spokesman. Bush aides agreed. "There's no connection," said spokesman Anthony Deluise. "None." Zimmerman said, "She had thought about retiring [before] and thought this was a good time to do it." Her decision comes as the agency is accused of leaving in jail more than 300 felony suspects found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity. Clap, clap, clap!!!!! Better safe in jail than out on the street doing what? What they were arrested for in the first place? Or worse? Who's going to make sure they take whatever meds they're supposed to take? Funny that Greg approves of this judge, but not others. Isn't it? 0:- |
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FL DCF big fined $80K and faces more for ignoring what Judgesorder
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Greegor wrote: You think the Governor has no power to resolve such a problem? Well, he would have to do it within the boundaries of law. Budgets are assigned by legislature and agreed upon by the governor in most states. If he wants to move money around guess who he has to get permission from...or risk losing the next election he runs for any office? Party support tends to be critical to winning. Now, as to your silliness..... Read'm and weep, dummy...toadjahso R R R R R : http://www.tampabays10.com/news/loca...?storyid=46311 DCF wins favorable ruling in mentally ill inmates case TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - An appeals court says a judge who threatened to drop a mentally ill inmate at the office of the secretary of the Department of Children and Families if her agency didn't move him from jail to a hospital didn't have the authority to make such orders. Another judge also previously threatened to jail and fine Secretary Luci Hadi if her agency didn't remove inmates from the Pinellas County Jail. The DCF is also appealing that case. Hadi has announced that she will not seek the position under Gov elect Charlie Crist, State law requires inmates found to be mentally incompetent to be transferred within 15 days to a state hospital. DCF says it couldn't follow the law because all of its mental hospitals were full and it had no money to provide more beds. The appeals court says Hadi cannot be held in contempt of court if she is incapable of complying with the order and not willfully ignoring it. Lawmakers are expected to meet next month to decide whether to approve more than 16 million for more beds. (Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) Oh, and don't presume that case law is the end of an issue, Greg. Once it was legal to own slaves, and doubtless the abolitionists tried to end it by legal appeals. Doubtless "case law" of those days was against them too, stupid little ****ant. There's always a higher court and or a new day awaiting. Did you know that black people can no longer be legally enslaves, and that in fact....wonder of wonders, they have civil rights too? Have I ever mentioned Thurgood Marshal to you before? R R R R R How are those planes flying? 0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: Did these 300 "insanity defense" defendants show up all at once? You wouldn't be suggesting that if there were no beds for the 300, there had to be if you did them one at a time, would you? Who suggested turning them loose, Dan? Where should they be placed? She had TIME to get on top of this problem. And the money? Where would they be placed, Greg? Two other Judges may fine her also for such stuff! You agree then that judges should penalize the executive branch for conditions caused by the legislative? If you bother to read a bit more carefully it's not hard to see that there were no funds for creating those 300 beds, Greg. Not one of them, not ten, not 50, not 300. Of course, by your reconning then if she could place one the judge shouldn't have fined her? Greg, DCF doesn't create money. It begs for it like all government agencies. If they do not get enough to perform their job then suing them or fining them isn't going to MAKE them do the job. Could be why she resigned, don't you think? If I needed a hammer and a saw to build something for my "boss" and he refused to provide the saw then I guess I'd just have to quit, or be "fined." Where would you place those 300, Greg? 0:- 0:- wrote: Dan Sullivan wrote: Greegor wrote: Get it before it's removed! Lucy D. Hadi BIO! www.dcf.state.fl.us/admin/docs/hadibio.pdf Resignation letter amendment http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miam...esignation.pdf http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...a-news-broward DCF chief retires one day after she is fined Lucy Hadi kept mentally ill in jail By Bill Hirschman And Mark Hollis South Florida Sun-Sentinel Posted December 2 2006 Lucy Hadi, the embattled head of Florida's chief social services agency, announced Friday that she was retiring -- one day after a judge fined her $80,000 for not transferring mentally ill people out of jails and into treatment hospitals. Her departure as secretary of the Department of Children & Families takes effect at the end of January so that she can help in the transition to a successor. Hadi, 60, told staffers her retirement had nothing to do with contempt-of-court proceedings pending in five counties including Broward and Miami-Dade, a spokesman said. She had resigned Nov. 7 as a formality to let Gov.-elect Charlie Crist name his own department head. But she wrote Gov. Jeb Bush Friday that she wanted to amend her resignation to "retire from state service." Hadi had not been asked to leave either by Bush or Crist, said Al Zimmerman, her spokesman. Bush aides agreed. "There's no connection," said spokesman Anthony Deluise. "None." Zimmerman said, "She had thought about retiring [before] and thought this was a good time to do it." Her decision comes as the agency is accused of leaving in jail more than 300 felony suspects found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity. Clap, clap, clap!!!!! Better safe in jail than out on the street doing what? What they were arrested for in the first place? Or worse? Who's going to make sure they take whatever meds they're supposed to take? Funny that Greg approves of this judge, but not others. Isn't it? 0:- |
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FL DCF big fined $80K and faces more for ignoring what Judges order
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Oh, and don't presume that case law is the end of an issue, Greg. Once it was legal to own slaves, and doubtless the abolitionists tried to end it by legal appeals. Doubtless "case law" of those days was against them too, stupid little ****ant. Yes, I know, you and NAMBLA hope to emancipate all children. How convenient. Has it occurred to you just what kind of Pandora's Box you could be opening when you begin to justify people who ignore the order of a Court Judge? Apparently when it's convenient for the agency you think it's OK, but if thousands of parents had such contempt for the CORRUPT Juvenile Court systems you would be screaming! Just imagine what Fathers Rights people could do if citizens could just blow off what corrupt courts say! Are you SURE you want to set such precident and open that Pandora's Box? |
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FL DCF big fined $80K and faces more for ignoring what Judges order
Greegor wrote: Kane wrote Oh, and don't presume that case law is the end of an issue, Greg. Once it was legal to own slaves, and doubtless the abolitionists tried to end it by legal appeals. Doubtless "case law" of those days was against them too, stupid little ****ant. Yes, I know, you and NAMBLA hope to emancipate all children. How convenient. Has it occurred to you just what kind of Pandora's Box you could be opening when you begin to justify people who ignore the order of a Court Judge? Apparently when it's convenient for the agency you think it's OK, but if thousands of parents had such contempt for the CORRUPT Juvenile Court systems you would be screaming! Just imagine what Fathers Rights people could do if citizens could just blow off what corrupt courts say! Are you SURE you want to set such precident and open that Pandora's Box? Greg, you're just not smart enough to be this stupid. |
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FL DCF big fined $80K and faces more for ignoring what Judgesorder
Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote Oh, and don't presume that case law is the end of an issue, Greg. Once it was legal to own slaves, and doubtless the abolitionists tried to end it by legal appeals. Doubtless "case law" of those days was against them too, stupid little ****ant. Yes, I know, you and NAMBLA hope to emancipate all children. NAMBLA? I don't recall ever invoking them as a resource for children. How convenient. For what? Oh, I see. For you to create a lying innuendo. Okay. You have. Good boy. Sit. Stay. Has it occurred to you just what kind of Pandora's Box you could be opening when you begin to justify people who ignore the order of a Court Judge? To what are you referring, Greg? Did I justify? How? Apparently when it's convenient for the agency you think it's OK, Please explain the circumstances you refer to, say with an example from the real world, and let me discuss of I would justify it. Thanks. but if thousands of parents had such contempt for the CORRUPT Juvenile Court systems you would be screaming! I can't buy that, even though it appears to be the best you can do. Mostly because it makes no sense. Can you clarify your meaning? Just imagine what Fathers Rights people could do if citizens could just blow off what corrupt courts say! I'm not sure how this counters any posted comments of mine. Could we have what you aborted so we can actually see if you are responding to me cogently? Are you SURE you want to set such precident and open that Pandora's Box? Well, I can't be sure, because I don't recall what I said, in enough detail to determine of you are actually responding to me, or simply pontificating from the faux pulpit you think this NG provides you. Care to repost with my comments IN FULL, and let me comment? I doubt you will. Do you have to work so hard at creating lies? If this is your best, I'm not buying. 0:- |
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