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  #51  
Old October 4th 03, 12:35 AM
ColoradoSkiBum
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: What you need to understand is that this is a child that was having very
serious
: problems. His early childhood was tumultuous and he has some behavioural
issues
: (ADHD, ODD) as well.

What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD.


: To be frank, his behaviour was causing a lot of problems in
: our family and it came to a head last year. While we could have kept him
home
: and just continued to sweep the problems under the rug, we decided to have
him
: commited to the juvenile correctional system.

I wasn't aware that you *could* have a child "committed" to the juvenile
corrections system. How does that work? Not that I'm interested in that
for my own SS, I think that would be the wrong thing, but I'm definitely
curious about this.


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  #52  
Old October 4th 03, 12:43 AM
ColoradoSkiBum
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"Tracy Cramer" wrote in message
...
: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:40:12 -0600, "ColoradoSkiBum"

: wrote:
: Like I said we're on the last ditch effort here. If he doesn't make it
out
: this time then he's probably going to be sent to a "day treatment" sort
of
: place--IOW a mental hospital as an outpatient rather than living there
all
: the time. I feel so ****ing sorry for the poor kid, but I don't know
what
: else we can do for him.
:
: I feel for you because I have an idea of what you're going through. I
understand
: how frustrating it is to have a child that is having major problems, but
is
: still a neat person. You get so ****ed at them for behaving the way they
do and
: yet you still see how much they could accomplish if they put their
attention to
: doing good things.
:
: The one thing I will tell you right now is to get help for your SS ASAP.
The
: longer you wait, the worse the problems will get.
:
: Treatment centers are extremely expensive. I know one around here is $440
per
: *day* for inpatient treatment (I don't know about outpatient). IMHO, if
the
: child's behaviour is really serious, inpatient treatment might be the best
: option in order to give the family some breathing room.
:
: In our case, our health insurance would have paid the bill (except for the
$1K
: yearly family deductible) if DS was dx'd as having schizophrenia, bipolar
: disorder or any type of pervasive developmental disorder (such as autism
or
: aspergers). You might want to check to see what coverage your health
insurance
: offers because a lot of insurance companies have cut back on mental health
: coverage to reduce costs.
:
: To start off, you probably want to find a good psychiatrist that can
evaluate
: your SS thoroughly. He/she can do a bunch of tests as well as an in-depth
: interview and the doc's report will give you a clear idea of how to
proceed. You
: might call your local MH/MR to see if they can help. One of the docs from
our
: MH/MR did my DS's evaluation and she was so incredibly thorough, I
couldn't
: believe it. She's been a great source of information for me as well and we
: certainly couldn't have made the decisions we did without her input.
:
: It's hard to get help for kids like this and it's *frustrating*. You just
have
: to keep calling people and talking to them. If you can find a psychiatrist
who
: will work with you, you'll have a much easier time.
:
: BTW, don't forget about yourself and the other members of your family. You
might
: consider counseling for everyone because having one child whose behaviour
causes
: so many problems can cause a lot of problems for everyone else.
:
: Good luck,

Thanks for all the info, Tracy. The one thing that I guess we're really
lucky about is that he's having these problems *at school*--almost
exclusively at school at this point, since we're not there to correct/coach
him. So if he fails at this new plan (which as I've said, I'm expecting),
then the *school* will have him removed and sent to the day treatment. It
seems like a horrible thing to say but I almost hope he *does* fail because
he so obviously needs this treatment.

As for the insurance options, we have Kaiser, and I know for sure they do
not pay for any individual counseling. They do offer "family counseling"
but it's not meant to be long-term or really theraputic. I'm not sure about
the in-/out-patient options as we haven't looked into that yet. It's hard
for us to make these judgements when *we* don't see these behaviors--we just
*don't*--this stuff *all* happens at school. When we're not there.

I've been a teacher for a long time. And I never thought I'd say Thank God!
for special education laws. It's such a relief to know that he *can't* be
expelled for his behavior (any other "normal" kid surely would have been by
now). There's no way in hell we could ever afford financially to pay for
this kind of treatment, but knowing that the school is going to have to so
he can get some sort of an education is a *huge* relief. We just have to
wait and go through all the channels, all the hoops first, while he gets
worse and gets older and gets farther behind academically.
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  #53  
Old October 4th 03, 12:53 AM
dragonlady
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In article ,
"ColoradoSkiBum" wrote:

: What you need to understand is that this is a child that was having very
serious
: problems. His early childhood was tumultuous and he has some behavioural
issues
: (ADHD, ODD) as well.

What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD.


Oppositional [something - Defiance, maybe?] Disorder.

I think the folks here who have recommended psychiatric evaluation are
correct, by the way. Not just therapy, but a thorough evaluation by a
psychiatrist, not psychologist. I think you want an MD doing this --
your step son is clearly in lots of trouble, in many ways, and a
complete diagnostic workup could only help.



: To be frank, his behaviour was causing a lot of problems in
: our family and it came to a head last year. While we could have kept him
home
: and just continued to sweep the problems under the rug, we decided to have
him
: commited to the juvenile correctional system.

I wasn't aware that you *could* have a child "committed" to the juvenile
corrections system. How does that work? Not that I'm interested in that
for my own SS, I think that would be the wrong thing, but I'm definitely
curious about this.

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  #54  
Old October 4th 03, 01:08 AM
ColoradoSkiBum
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: What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD.
:
:
: Oppositional [something - Defiance, maybe?] Disorder.

Riiiiight, right, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, of course, now I remember.
You'd think I would know that being a high school teacher.


: I think the folks here who have recommended psychiatric evaluation are
: correct, by the way. Not just therapy, but a thorough evaluation by a
: psychiatrist, not psychologist. I think you want an MD doing this --
: your step son is clearly in lots of trouble, in many ways, and a
: complete diagnostic workup could only help.


Right, I agree. How does one get started with this? Just call a
psychiatrist and ask for an evaluation?
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  #55  
Old October 4th 03, 02:57 AM
dragonlady
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In article ,
"ColoradoSkiBum" wrote:

: What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD.
:
:
: Oppositional [something - Defiance, maybe?] Disorder.

Riiiiight, right, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, of course, now I remember.
You'd think I would know that being a high school teacher.


: I think the folks here who have recommended psychiatric evaluation are
: correct, by the way. Not just therapy, but a thorough evaluation by a
: psychiatrist, not psychologist. I think you want an MD doing this --
: your step son is clearly in lots of trouble, in many ways, and a
: complete diagnostic workup could only help.


Right, I agree. How does one get started with this? Just call a
psychiatrist and ask for an evaluation?


That will depend upon your insurance; generally, I'd start by asking
for his regular doctor to make a referral, or call the insurance company
and find out of your mental health benefits are seperate.

Or, if you are going to pay out of pocket, ask around for
recommendations for good psychiatrists who work with children and youth,
and call to make an appointment.

Unfortunately, it takes FOREVER to get these things going!

Good luck.

meh
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  #57  
Old October 4th 03, 04:17 AM
Leah Adezio
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"ColoradoSkiBum" wrote in message
...
: What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD.
:
:
: Oppositional [something - Defiance, maybe?] Disorder.

Riiiiight, right, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, of course, now I

remember.
You'd think I would know that being a high school teacher.


: I think the folks here who have recommended psychiatric evaluation are
: correct, by the way. Not just therapy, but a thorough evaluation by a
: psychiatrist, not psychologist. I think you want an MD doing this --
: your step son is clearly in lots of trouble, in many ways, and a
: complete diagnostic workup could only help.


Right, I agree. How does one get started with this? Just call a
psychiatrist and ask for an evaluation?


If he's having trouble in school (and he has, from your posts), you can ask
for an evaluation for specialized services through your district's child
study team (or whatever your state calls it). You can specifically request
for workups by a pediatric neurologist (to rule out any neurological
problems that 'mimic' psychiatric disorders), pediatric psychiatrist,
psychologist, learning disabilities specialist.

If he's determined to be eligible for specialized services, and your
district does not have a program that meets his specific needs, the school
is obligated to place him in one that does -- even if that's a residential
school...at district expense. (FWIW, my eldest was an out of district
placement in two different private schools that specialized in children with
emotional/social/behavioral difficulties for a total of 6 years -- he was
mainstreamed back into public high school with minimal supports (most of
which he didn't even use, the private schools had done so well by him) as a
junior and now he's a senior, doing *very* well, especially socially
(changing his meds from Adderall to Strattera has also been a big plus) and
he's getting ready to write his essays for college applications. Ten years
ago, despite his intelligence, he was so negatively impacted by his problems
that I used to despair that he wouldn't even be able to manage a 'you want
fries with that' job.

He may need medication, he may not. He may need specialized instruction --
social skills training, educational support, etc.

If you choose to go the private route, your best bet is to start with your
pediatrician for a general physical and then go on to workups by both a
neurologist and psychiatrist who specialize in children/adolescents. See
what your insurance covers before you proceed, though. If you belong to an
HMO, you'll want to check to see if you need referals.

Leah
__________
In Memory of David, 11/10/61 - 5/21/03
Beloved Husband, Father, Heart's Companion

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Old October 4th 03, 04:19 AM
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: If you're in northern Colorado, I can recommend a psychiatrist who
: specialises in child psychiatry and does a lot of work with PTSD
: patients. I don't know if she's taking new patients or not right
: now, but she could give a recommendation if she's not.

I'm in the north Denver area. I'd appreciate the recommendation.
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  #59  
Old October 4th 03, 04:22 AM
ColoradoSkiBum
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: If he's having trouble in school (and he has, from your posts), you can
ask
: for an evaluation for specialized services through your district's child
: study team (or whatever your state calls it). You can specifically
request
: for workups by a pediatric neurologist (to rule out any neurological
: problems that 'mimic' psychiatric disorders), pediatric psychiatrist,
: psychologist, learning disabilities specialist.

Well that's just it, he's already in the special ed class for kids with
"severe emotional disabilities" (they call it SIED here, don't know if it's
the same in other states). He's being pulled back in that program so he's
not in *any* mainstream classes for a while, and see if he can survive and
then earn his way back into regular classes. And like I said, a *huge* part
of me is actually *hoping* for failure there because that will mean that
he'll -- eventually -- be sent to another program which will likely include
"day treatment" at the mental health facility that the district works with.
All at district expense of course. We don't have the resources to absorb
this expense.
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Old October 4th 03, 04:23 AM
ColoradoSkiBum
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: Well that's just it, he's already in the special ed class for kids with
: "severe emotional disabilities" (they call it SIED here, don't know if
it's
: the same in other states). He's being pulled back in that program so he's
: not in *any* mainstream classes for a while, and see if he can survive and
: then earn his way back into regular classes. And like I said, a *huge*
part
: of me is actually *hoping* for failure there because that will mean that
: he'll -- eventually -- be sent to another program which will likely
include
: "day treatment" at the mental health facility that the district works
with.
: All at district expense of course. We don't have the resources to absorb
: this expense.
: --
: ColoradoSkiBum
:

Oops, maybe I didn't already *say* all that here, getting my newsgroups
mixed up. I posted The Whole Story in a couple of other newsgroups but not
in this one. Sorry for the confusion.
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