Michigan seeks extradition of Colorado man for child support

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:47:23 GMT, "The Dave©" wrote:

Dusty wrote:

Michigan seeks extradition of Colorado man for child support

Associated Press

Saturday, April 10, 2004

LANSING -- Gov. Jennifer Granholm on Friday started proceedings to
extradite from Arizona a man charged with failure to pay more than
$91,000 in support for his children. Granholm signed the extradition
request for Christopher Carroll Aragon of Glenwood Springs, Colo.
Aragon was arrested recently by law enforcement officials in
Arizonas Coconino County.

In March 1995, Aragon was ordered to pay $45.60 per week for support
of his minor children. But Aragon has failed to comply, Granholms
office said, and his debts include $19,763 to the state of Michigan.

A felony warrant for Aragons arrest was issued by the Lapeer County
prosecutors office in November. Lapeer authorities want Aragon to
return to Michigan to face charges.

Non-support of a child is a felony punishable by up to four years in
prison.

Aragon has failed to meet his responsibility to pay child support,
and that has consequences, Granholm said in a news release.

Granholms extradition request was sent to Arizona Gov. Janet
Napolitano. ---------------------------------------------------

------ snipped -------

Welcome to the wonderful world of child support math. Depending on
your state there's a legal fiction called "potential income" --
support is based on a prospective amount they say you *should* be
making. In Washington they go by "imputed income" -- some social
engineers won a grant and came up with a chart that says because dad's
xx years old the median income for that age is $xx, therefore child
support is set based on the fictional amount.

It's "legal" the same way the KKK was once legal. And sodomy between
consenting adults is a felony.

The root of the problem is the application of this kind of funny math
which has created a generation of debtors, many with no hope
whatsoever of ever digging out of it. But this "legal" methodology
has a very real Achilles Heal -- apply the centuries-old common law of
debt and their "legalities" begins to crumble. Then it gets simple
because that area of law boils down to not much more than these
basics: what is owed and the legality of the underlying obligation.

I'm working on it. Anyone interested can email me.


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When I see this kind of thing, I wonder why ANY man would put himself at
risk of being treated in this way, by getting married and having children.
I've been divorced for a good many years, and I got my ex-wife off my
payroll several years ago, after paying her "child support" for more than 10
years. It's still an intense source of relief to me that she -- and all the
wretched male-hating people involved in the CS industry -- no longer have
any power over me.

Why DO men get themselves into situations where they can be treated this
way? A large part of the answer has to be that they just don't know about
what goes on. Presumably, if men aren't supposed to be paying "child
support," they don't focus on stories like the one below. And if they
haven't yet got into marriage, no one tells them about the 50 percent
divorce rate, the fact that the great majority of U.S. divorces are
initiated by wives, and the continued glass ceiling on paternal custody.

There should be some kind of advertising and PR campaign to get the
message out to men. If there were a well-financed "masculinist" movement,
there WOULD be such a campaign. And, if wishes were horses, beggars would
ride . . .


"StuKa" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:47:23 GMT, "The Dave©" wrote:

Dusty wrote:

Michigan seeks extradition of Colorado man for child support

Associated Press

Saturday, April 10, 2004

LANSING -- Gov. Jennifer Granholm on Friday started proceedings to
extradite from Arizona a man charged with failure to pay more than
$91,000 in support for his children. Granholm signed the extradition
request for Christopher Carroll Aragon of Glenwood Springs, Colo.
Aragon was arrested recently by law enforcement officials in
Arizonas Coconino County.

In March 1995, Aragon was ordered to pay $45.60 per week for support
of his minor children. But Aragon has failed to comply, Granholms
office said, and his debts include $19,763 to the state of Michigan.

A felony warrant for Aragons arrest was issued by the Lapeer County
prosecutors office in November. Lapeer authorities want Aragon to
return to Michigan to face charges.

Non-support of a child is a felony punishable by up to four years in
prison.

Aragon has failed to meet his responsibility to pay child support,
and that has consequences, Granholm said in a news release.

Granholms extradition request was sent to Arizona Gov. Janet
Napolitano. ---------------------------------------------------

------ snipped -------

Welcome to the wonderful world of child support math. Depending on
your state there's a legal fiction called "potential income" --
support is based on a prospective amount they say you *should* be
making. In Washington they go by "imputed income" -- some social
engineers won a grant and came up with a chart that says because dad's
xx years old the median income for that age is $xx, therefore child
support is set based on the fictional amount.

It's "legal" the same way the KKK was once legal. And sodomy between
consenting adults is a felony.

The root of the problem is the application of this kind of funny math
which has created a generation of debtors, many with no hope
whatsoever of ever digging out of it. But this "legal" methodology
has a very real Achilles Heal -- apply the centuries-old common law of
debt and their "legalities" begins to crumble. Then it gets simple
because that area of law boils down to not much more than these
basics: what is owed and the legality of the underlying obligation.

I'm working on it. Anyone interested can email me.


x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com
x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups
x-- Access to over 1 Terabyte per Day - $8.95/Month
x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD

When I see this kind of thing, I wonder why ANY man would put himself at
risk of being treated in this way, by getting married and having children.
I've been divorced for a good many years, and I got my ex-wife off my
payroll several years ago, after paying her "child support" for more than 10
years. It's still an intense source of relief to me that she -- and all the
wretched male-hating people involved in the CS industry -- no longer have
any power over me.

Why DO men get themselves into situations where they can be treated this
way? A large part of the answer has to be that they just don't know about
what goes on. Presumably, if men aren't supposed to be paying "child
support," they don't focus on stories like the one below. And if they
haven't yet got into marriage, no one tells them about the 50 percent
divorce rate, the fact that the great majority of U.S. divorces are
initiated by wives, and the continued glass ceiling on paternal custody.

There should be some kind of advertising and PR campaign to get the
message out to men. If there were a well-financed "masculinist" movement,
there WOULD be such a campaign. And, if wishes were horses, beggars would
ride . . .


"StuKa" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:47:23 GMT, "The Dave©" wrote:

Dusty wrote:

Michigan seeks extradition of Colorado man for child support

Associated Press

Saturday, April 10, 2004

LANSING -- Gov. Jennifer Granholm on Friday started proceedings to
extradite from Arizona a man charged with failure to pay more than
$91,000 in support for his children. Granholm signed the extradition
request for Christopher Carroll Aragon of Glenwood Springs, Colo.
Aragon was arrested recently by law enforcement officials in
Arizonas Coconino County.

In March 1995, Aragon was ordered to pay $45.60 per week for support
of his minor children. But Aragon has failed to comply, Granholms
office said, and his debts include $19,763 to the state of Michigan.

A felony warrant for Aragons arrest was issued by the Lapeer County
prosecutors office in November. Lapeer authorities want Aragon to
return to Michigan to face charges.

Non-support of a child is a felony punishable by up to four years in
prison.

Aragon has failed to meet his responsibility to pay child support,
and that has consequences, Granholm said in a news release.

Granholms extradition request was sent to Arizona Gov. Janet
Napolitano. ---------------------------------------------------

------ snipped -------

Welcome to the wonderful world of child support math. Depending on
your state there's a legal fiction called "potential income" --
support is based on a prospective amount they say you *should* be
making. In Washington they go by "imputed income" -- some social
engineers won a grant and came up with a chart that says because dad's
xx years old the median income for that age is $xx, therefore child
support is set based on the fictional amount.

It's "legal" the same way the KKK was once legal. And sodomy between
consenting adults is a felony.

The root of the problem is the application of this kind of funny math
which has created a generation of debtors, many with no hope
whatsoever of ever digging out of it. But this "legal" methodology
has a very real Achilles Heal -- apply the centuries-old common law of
debt and their "legalities" begins to crumble. Then it gets simple
because that area of law boils down to not much more than these
basics: what is owed and the legality of the underlying obligation.

I'm working on it. Anyone interested can email me.


x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com
x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups
x-- Access to over 1 Terabyte per Day - $8.95/Month
x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD

When I see this kind of thing, I wonder why ANY man would put himself at
risk of being treated in this way, by getting married and having children.
I've been divorced for a good many years, and I got my ex-wife off my
payroll several years ago, after paying her "child support" for more than 10
years. It's still an intense source of relief to me that she -- and all the
wretched male-hating people involved in the CS industry -- no longer have
any power over me.

Why DO men get themselves into situations where they can be treated this
way? A large part of the answer has to be that they just don't know about
what goes on. Presumably, if men aren't supposed to be paying "child
support," they don't focus on stories like the one below. And if they
haven't yet got into marriage, no one tells them about the 50 percent
divorce rate, the fact that the great majority of U.S. divorces are
initiated by wives, and the continued glass ceiling on paternal custody.

There should be some kind of advertising and PR campaign to get the
message out to men. If there were a well-financed "masculinist" movement,
there WOULD be such a campaign. And, if wishes were horses, beggars would
ride . . .


"StuKa" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:47:23 GMT, "The Dave©" wrote:

Dusty wrote:

Michigan seeks extradition of Colorado man for child support

Associated Press

Saturday, April 10, 2004

LANSING -- Gov. Jennifer Granholm on Friday started proceedings to
extradite from Arizona a man charged with failure to pay more than
$91,000 in support for his children. Granholm signed the extradition
request for Christopher Carroll Aragon of Glenwood Springs, Colo.
Aragon was arrested recently by law enforcement officials in
Arizonas Coconino County.

In March 1995, Aragon was ordered to pay $45.60 per week for support
of his minor children. But Aragon has failed to comply, Granholms
office said, and his debts include $19,763 to the state of Michigan.

A felony warrant for Aragons arrest was issued by the Lapeer County
prosecutors office in November. Lapeer authorities want Aragon to
return to Michigan to face charges.

Non-support of a child is a felony punishable by up to four years in
prison.

Aragon has failed to meet his responsibility to pay child support,
and that has consequences, Granholm said in a news release.

Granholms extradition request was sent to Arizona Gov. Janet
Napolitano. ---------------------------------------------------

------ snipped -------

Welcome to the wonderful world of child support math. Depending on
your state there's a legal fiction called "potential income" --
support is based on a prospective amount they say you *should* be
making. In Washington they go by "imputed income" -- some social
engineers won a grant and came up with a chart that says because dad's
xx years old the median income for that age is $xx, therefore child
support is set based on the fictional amount.

It's "legal" the same way the KKK was once legal. And sodomy between
consenting adults is a felony.

The root of the problem is the application of this kind of funny math
which has created a generation of debtors, many with no hope
whatsoever of ever digging out of it. But this "legal" methodology
has a very real Achilles Heal -- apply the centuries-old common law of
debt and their "legalities" begins to crumble. Then it gets simple
because that area of law boils down to not much more than these
basics: what is owed and the legality of the underlying obligation.

I'm working on it. Anyone interested can email me.


x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com
x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups
x-- Access to over 1 Terabyte per Day - $8.95/Month
x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD

Kenneth S. wrote:


When I see this kind of thing, I wonder why ANY man would put
himself at risk of being treated in this way, by getting married and
having children. I've been divorced for a good many years, and I got
my ex-wife off my payroll several years ago, after paying her "child
support" for more than 10 years. It's still an intense source of
relief to me that she -- and all the wretched male-hating people
involved in the CS industry -- no longer have any power over me.

Why DO men get themselves into situations where they can be
treated this way? A large part of the answer has to be that they
just don't know about what goes on. Presumably, if men aren't
supposed to be paying "child support," they don't focus on stories
like the one below. And if they haven't yet got into marriage, no
one tells them about the 50 percent divorce rate, the fact that the
great majority of U.S. divorces are initiated by wives, and the
continued glass ceiling on paternal custody.

There should be some kind of advertising and PR campaign to get
the message out to men. If there were a well-financed "masculinist"
movement, there WOULD be such a campaign. And, if wishes were
horses, beggars would ride . . .

I have thought about teaching my boys to never get married or have
kids, for those reasons, but decided not to. I do warn them what the
real world is like and how people can change, but they still have to
live their lives.

I think most guys know all this stuff, but for whatever reason, choose
to believe that it won't happen to them. Not too much unlike young
guys and fast driving.

--
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
- Galileo Galilei

Kenneth S. wrote:


When I see this kind of thing, I wonder why ANY man would put
himself at risk of being treated in this way, by getting married and
having children. I've been divorced for a good many years, and I got
my ex-wife off my payroll several years ago, after paying her "child
support" for more than 10 years. It's still an intense source of
relief to me that she -- and all the wretched male-hating people
involved in the CS industry -- no longer have any power over me.

Why DO men get themselves into situations where they can be
treated this way? A large part of the answer has to be that they
just don't know about what goes on. Presumably, if men aren't
supposed to be paying "child support," they don't focus on stories
like the one below. And if they haven't yet got into marriage, no
one tells them about the 50 percent divorce rate, the fact that the
great majority of U.S. divorces are initiated by wives, and the
continued glass ceiling on paternal custody.

There should be some kind of advertising and PR campaign to get
the message out to men. If there were a well-financed "masculinist"
movement, there WOULD be such a campaign. And, if wishes were
horses, beggars would ride . . .

I have thought about teaching my boys to never get married or have
kids, for those reasons, but decided not to. I do warn them what the
real world is like and how people can change, but they still have to
live their lives.

I think most guys know all this stuff, but for whatever reason, choose
to believe that it won't happen to them. Not too much unlike young
guys and fast driving.

--
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
- Galileo Galilei

Kenneth S. wrote:


When I see this kind of thing, I wonder why ANY man would put
himself at risk of being treated in this way, by getting married and
having children. I've been divorced for a good many years, and I got
my ex-wife off my payroll several years ago, after paying her "child
support" for more than 10 years. It's still an intense source of
relief to me that she -- and all the wretched male-hating people
involved in the CS industry -- no longer have any power over me.

Why DO men get themselves into situations where they can be
treated this way? A large part of the answer has to be that they
just don't know about what goes on. Presumably, if men aren't
supposed to be paying "child support," they don't focus on stories
like the one below. And if they haven't yet got into marriage, no
one tells them about the 50 percent divorce rate, the fact that the
great majority of U.S. divorces are initiated by wives, and the
continued glass ceiling on paternal custody.

There should be some kind of advertising and PR campaign to get
the message out to men. If there were a well-financed "masculinist"
movement, there WOULD be such a campaign. And, if wishes were
horses, beggars would ride . . .

I have thought about teaching my boys to never get married or have
kids, for those reasons, but decided not to. I do warn them what the
real world is like and how people can change, but they still have to
live their lives.

I think most guys know all this stuff, but for whatever reason, choose
to believe that it won't happen to them. Not too much unlike young
guys and fast driving.

--
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
- Galileo Galilei