Sodomy 101

Kane and Betty: Do you think this gay agenda version
of "early education" is just wonderful?

Didn't you try to say there is no gay agenda?

Imagine wrote:
Parents - do you know what your children are taught in school ??
--------------------
Sodomy 101
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/july/0706sodomy.html

"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto!" was Dorothy's famous line in
The Wizard of Oz. It has become a classic, meant to convey the bewilderment
of a person who suddenly realizes he's in a strange world and wonders how he
got there.

For many parents in Massachusetts, California and elsewhere in the U.S., the
truth is beginning to dawn on them: They aren't living in Kansas anymore.
Public education is being used to brainwash thousands of children - even as
young as kindergarten - into believing that homosexuality is simply a normal
and healthy variation of human sexuality.

To be sure, when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, Massachusetts and
California have been East Coast-West Coast thoroughbreds that seem to be
racing each other for the honor of wackiest state in the country.

Massachusetts got off to an early lead, where activists have had nearly
carte blanche since the early 1990s. Thus, at John Glenn Middle School in
Bedford, for example, pink triangles adorn classroom doors, and a rainbow
flag flies over the school during gay pride festivities. In Newton, parents
discovered that first-grade teacher David Gaita had "come out" to his
students and told them he was homosexual and loved men "the way your mom and
dad love each other." And in Brookline, lesbian eighth-grade teacher Deb
Allen told National Public Radio that she explicitly teaches her students
about lesbian sex, including the use of sex toys.

Meanwhile, in California, activists have been busily trying to turn that
state's public school system into a re-education camp that would make Fidel
Castro proud.

According to the Campaign for Children and Families (CCF,
www.savecalifornia.com), a California-based pro-family group, the state may
soon pass and implement three separate bills - SB 1437, AB 606 and AB 1506 -
which would have a staggering impact on what public schools teach children.

CCF said that the combination of the three measures would force all
California public schools to promote homosexuality, bisexuality and
transsexuality to schoolchildren as young as kindergarten; require textbooks
to promote these lifestyles; prohibit schools from sponsoring traditional
school activities, such as school proms that vote for a boy-girl couple as
prom "king" and "queen," or sports teams that "discriminate" against
transgendered kids; and prohibit public schools from teaching that there is
a natural family - that is, a father, a mother and their children.

Court-ordered indoctrination
However, children don't have to live in California or Massachusetts to
encounter the indoctrination process. In April, the Gay, Lesbian and
Straight Education Network (GLSEN), a homosexual pressure group, sponsored
its 10th annual "Day of Silence," a nationwide school-based protest. Nearly
4,500 schools participated, according to GLSEN. In order to promote the
homosexual lifestyle, more than 450,000 kids refused to speak a single word
during the school day, often with the approval of school administrators and
teachers.

In Wisconsin a group called Students for Unity used the Day of Silence to
distribute a questionnaire at Port Washington High School. According to the
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, hundreds of students answered questions like,
"If you have never slept with someone of your same gender, then how do you
know you wouldn't prefer it?" and "Could it be that your heterosexuality is
just a phase?"

Two teachers approved of the distribution of the questionnaire in their
classes and followed up with discussions, said LifeSiteNews, even though
parents were not informed about it beforehand.

Meanwhile, at Boyd County High School in Kentucky, students in Ann Qualls'
English class were required to watch the first 15-20 minutes of Brokeback
Mountain, a recent film about two homosexual sheepherders. While none of the
movie's explicit sex scene was shown, the entire class was spent on the
film - again without the knowledge or approval of parents.

Boyd County is well known by pro-family groups for another reason: All
students and faculty in Boyd County schools are under a court order to
attend diversity sessions that normalize homosexuality.

The court order stems from an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) lawsuit
filed against the school district three years ago, after the high school
refused to allow the formation of a student gay-rights group on campus. Boyd
County lost the suit, and in 2004 agreed to a settlement that included
mandatory diversity sessions for faculty and students.

Training for students included a video stating that if one student speaks
out against homosexuality to a gay student - that is considered harassment.
The offending student would be punished.

Some parents were angered by the agreement, and sued the school, demanding
that their children be allowed to opt out of the training.

In February, however, U.S. District Judge David Bunning ruled that all
students and faculty must undergo the mandatory sensitivity training in
order to make the schools safe for homosexual kids.

"Students have no religious or free-speech rights to opt-out of school
training aimed at stopping anti-gay harassment in Boyd County schools,"
Bunning said. The judge added that anti-harassment training that deals with
"actual or perceived sexual orientation" was "rationally related to a
legitimate educational goal, namely to maintain a safe environment."

Making schools safer?
Gay activists have insisted for years that things like diversity training
and gay pride events are necessary to prevent the harassment of kids who
identify themselves as homosexual. This "safer schools" mantra carries
emotional weight because most adults would probably agree that all students
should feel safe in school.

In order to promote safety, however, activists often demand that schools
indoctrinate students so that they accept homosexuality as normal. Following
Bunning's ruling in February, for example, Sharon McGowan of the ACLU's
Lesbian and Gay Rights Project swept aside suggestions that Boyd County
could make schools safe without the mandatory diversity training sessions.

"Just telling students not to pick on others because of their sexual
orientation or gender identity doesn't force them to change their beliefs,
and the judge agreed with us about that," McGowan said. (emphasis added)

It is this type of agenda - forcing students to change their beliefs about
homosexuality - that makes parents squeamish about groups like GLSEN.

But even if students don't end up altering their views about sexuality, the
potential for confusion among children is startling. In New Jersey, for
example, a school board decided that Eagleswood Township Elementary in West
Creek could continue to use 71-year-old Lily McBeth as a substitute
teacher - even though he had undergone a sex change.

Parents who were both for and against rehiring McBeth spoke during an
emotionally charged school board meeting in February, but in the end the
board said his sex change did not affect his ability to teach children.

One worried parent, however, said: "Show me the research that says this will
not affect my children. I will not allow my children to be placed in a petri
dish and hope that it turns out fine."

Unlike Dorothy, though, parents in New Jersey and elsewhere don't have magic
slippers to safely wisk their children back to Kansas. And, as it turns out,
Kansas isn't so normal anymore, either.

SIDEBAR: Sexual Field Trips
What if you discovered that your child's school had taken a classroom full
of kids to an off-campus, homosexual community center where they were
allowed to interact with homosexual adults, date same-sex peers, or watch
gay-oriented movies - all without your knowledge or permission?

Something akin to that is happening routinely in countless cities around the
country, according to Linda Harvey, president of Mission America
(www.missionamerica.com), an Ohio-based pro-family group.

In her eye-popping article, "A Safe Place for Kids to Learn Homosexual Sex:
The real story about community 'GLBT' youth centers," Harvey said kids who
self-identify as homosexuals are being funneled to groups off campus.

Funneled by whom? Often by the very Gay-Straight Alliances (GSAs) that claim
they only exist in schools to provide a safe learning environment.

"Frequently all area GSA members will be invited to youth center events,
where explicit descriptions of homosexual sex are very definitely on the
menu," Harvey said. These gay youth centers are located in almost every
medium or large city in the U.S. and allow kids to participate in activities
without parental permission.

These youth are exposed to explicit training about homosexual sex. A gay
youth community center in the San Francisco area, for example, publicized a
meeting for girls through the California GSA Network, encouraging GSA
members to attend. The event? "Make Your Own Sex Toy Night."

On the Boston gay youth center Web site, one of its workshops offers "open,
honest, judgment-free conversations about sex toys, oral sex, bare-backing
[anal sex without using condoms], mixing sex and drugs, how to keep it safe
and advocate for yourself during group sex, anonymous sex, and sex on the
go! We'll have something for everyone!

Betty and Kane:
How are these pervs any different from the gay agenda people in school?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/out...956392681.html

Outcry over launch of Dutch pedophile party May 31, 2006 - 1:05PM
Photo: Belgian child rapist Marc Dutroux.

Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in
the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalisation
of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its web site it
would be officially registered today, proclaiming: "We are going to
shake The Hague awake!"

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to
12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the
party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad newspaper.

"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding
the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse
scandal in neighbouring Belgium.

"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians
only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van
den Berg told Reuters.

The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs,
prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.

An opinion poll published today showed that 82 per cent wanted the
government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 per cent
said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their
position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is
of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen
van Engelen told the AD daily.

Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to
investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be
established, ANP news agency reported.

Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also
demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in
every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims
and more serious ones."

The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed
although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also
supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television,
with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.

Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should
be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves.
Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should
remain illegal, the NVD said.

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public
and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel
for all.

Reuters





Greegor wrote:
Kane and Betty: Do you think this gay agenda version
of "early education" is just wonderful?

Didn't you try to say there is no gay agenda?

Imagine wrote:
Parents - do you know what your children are taught in school ??
--------------------
Sodomy 101
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/july/0706sodomy.html

"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto!" was Dorothy's famous line in
The Wizard of Oz. It has become a classic, meant to convey the bewilderment
of a person who suddenly realizes he's in a strange world and wonders how he
got there.

For many parents in Massachusetts, California and elsewhere in the U.S., the
truth is beginning to dawn on them: They aren't living in Kansas anymore.
Public education is being used to brainwash thousands of children - even as
young as kindergarten - into believing that homosexuality is simply a normal
and healthy variation of human sexuality.

To be sure, when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, Massachusetts and
California have been East Coast-West Coast thoroughbreds that seem to be
racing each other for the honor of wackiest state in the country.

Massachusetts got off to an early lead, where activists have had nearly
carte blanche since the early 1990s. Thus, at John Glenn Middle School in
Bedford, for example, pink triangles adorn classroom doors, and a rainbow
flag flies over the school during gay pride festivities. In Newton, parents
discovered that first-grade teacher David Gaita had "come out" to his
students and told them he was homosexual and loved men "the way your mom and
dad love each other." And in Brookline, lesbian eighth-grade teacher Deb
Allen told National Public Radio that she explicitly teaches her students
about lesbian sex, including the use of sex toys.

Meanwhile, in California, activists have been busily trying to turn that
state's public school system into a re-education camp that would make Fidel
Castro proud.

According to the Campaign for Children and Families (CCF,
www.savecalifornia.com), a California-based pro-family group, the state may
soon pass and implement three separate bills - SB 1437, AB 606 and AB 1506 -
which would have a staggering impact on what public schools teach children.

CCF said that the combination of the three measures would force all
California public schools to promote homosexuality, bisexuality and
transsexuality to schoolchildren as young as kindergarten; require textbooks
to promote these lifestyles; prohibit schools from sponsoring traditional
school activities, such as school proms that vote for a boy-girl couple as
prom "king" and "queen," or sports teams that "discriminate" against
transgendered kids; and prohibit public schools from teaching that there is
a natural family - that is, a father, a mother and their children.

Court-ordered indoctrination
However, children don't have to live in California or Massachusetts to
encounter the indoctrination process. In April, the Gay, Lesbian and
Straight Education Network (GLSEN), a homosexual pressure group, sponsored
its 10th annual "Day of Silence," a nationwide school-based protest. Nearly
4,500 schools participated, according to GLSEN. In order to promote the
homosexual lifestyle, more than 450,000 kids refused to speak a single word
during the school day, often with the approval of school administrators and
teachers.

In Wisconsin a group called Students for Unity used the Day of Silence to
distribute a questionnaire at Port Washington High School. According to the
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, hundreds of students answered questions like,
"If you have never slept with someone of your same gender, then how do you
know you wouldn't prefer it?" and "Could it be that your heterosexuality is
just a phase?"

Two teachers approved of the distribution of the questionnaire in their
classes and followed up with discussions, said LifeSiteNews, even though
parents were not informed about it beforehand.

Meanwhile, at Boyd County High School in Kentucky, students in Ann Qualls'
English class were required to watch the first 15-20 minutes of Brokeback
Mountain, a recent film about two homosexual sheepherders. While none of the
movie's explicit sex scene was shown, the entire class was spent on the
film - again without the knowledge or approval of parents.

Boyd County is well known by pro-family groups for another reason: All
students and faculty in Boyd County schools are under a court order to
attend diversity sessions that normalize homosexuality.

The court order stems from an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) lawsuit
filed against the school district three years ago, after the high school
refused to allow the formation of a student gay-rights group on campus. Boyd
County lost the suit, and in 2004 agreed to a settlement that included
mandatory diversity sessions for faculty and students.

Training for students included a video stating that if one student speaks
out against homosexuality to a gay student - that is considered harassment.
The offending student would be punished.

Some parents were angered by the agreement, and sued the school, demanding
that their children be allowed to opt out of the training.

In February, however, U.S. District Judge David Bunning ruled that all
students and faculty must undergo the mandatory sensitivity training in
order to make the schools safe for homosexual kids.

"Students have no religious or free-speech rights to opt-out of school
training aimed at stopping anti-gay harassment in Boyd County schools,"
Bunning said. The judge added that anti-harassment training that deals with
"actual or perceived sexual orientation" was "rationally related to a
legitimate educational goal, namely to maintain a safe environment."

Making schools safer?
Gay activists have insisted for years that things like diversity training
and gay pride events are necessary to prevent the harassment of kids who
identify themselves as homosexual. This "safer schools" mantra carries
emotional weight because most adults would probably agree that all students
should feel safe in school.

In order to promote safety, however, activists often demand that schools
indoctrinate students so that they accept homosexuality as normal. Following
Bunning's ruling in February, for example, Sharon McGowan of the ACLU's
Lesbian and Gay Rights Project swept aside suggestions that Boyd County
could make schools safe without the mandatory diversity training sessions.

"Just telling students not to pick on others because of their sexual
orientation or gender identity doesn't force them to change their beliefs,
and the judge agreed with us about that," McGowan said. (emphasis added)

It is this type of agenda - forcing students to change their beliefs about
homosexuality - that makes parents squeamish about groups like GLSEN.

But even if students don't end up altering their views about sexuality, the
potential for confusion among children is startling. In New Jersey, for
example, a school board decided that Eagleswood Township Elementary in West
Creek could continue to use 71-year-old Lily McBeth as a substitute
teacher - even though he had undergone a sex change.

Parents who were both for and against rehiring McBeth spoke during an
emotionally charged school board meeting in February, but in the end the
board said his sex change did not affect his ability to teach children.

One worried parent, however, said: "Show me the research that says this will
not affect my children. I will not allow my children to be placed in a petri
dish and hope that it turns out fine."

Unlike Dorothy, though, parents in New Jersey and elsewhere don't have magic
slippers to safely wisk their children back to Kansas. And, as it turns out,
Kansas isn't so normal anymore, either.

SIDEBAR: Sexual Field Trips
What if you discovered that your child's school had taken a classroom full
of kids to an off-campus, homosexual community center where they were
allowed to interact with homosexual adults, date same-sex peers, or watch
gay-oriented movies - all without your knowledge or permission?

Something akin to that is happening routinely in countless cities around the
country, according to Linda Harvey, president of Mission America
(www.missionamerica.com), an Ohio-based pro-family group.

In her eye-popping article, "A Safe Place for Kids to Learn Homosexual Sex:
The real story about community 'GLBT' youth centers," Harvey said kids who
self-identify as homosexuals are being funneled to groups off campus.

Funneled by whom? Often by the very Gay-Straight Alliances (GSAs) that claim
they only exist in schools to provide a safe learning environment.

"Frequently all area GSA members will be invited to youth center events,
where explicit descriptions of homosexual sex are very definitely on the
menu," Harvey said. These gay youth centers are located in almost every
medium or large city in the U.S. and allow kids to participate in activities
without parental permission.

These youth are exposed to explicit training about homosexual sex. A gay
youth community center in the San Francisco area, for example, publicized a
meeting for girls through the California GSA Network, encouraging GSA
members to attend. The event? "Make Your Own Sex Toy Night."

On the Boston gay youth center Web site, one of its workshops offers "open,
honest, judgment-free conversations about sex toys, oral sex, bare-backing
[anal sex without using condoms], mixing sex and drugs, how to keep it safe
and advocate for yourself during group sex, anonymous sex, and sex on the
go! We'll have something for everyone!

Greegor wrote:
Kane and Betty: Do you think this gay agenda version
of "early education" is just wonderful?

You have proof that homosexuality isn't isn't a normal form of sexual
expression?

Didn't you try to say there is no gay agenda?

Well, I had no idea that THIS was what you were thinking of, Greg,
because you NEVER declare your position until well into the debate.

A piece of work you are.

Let's see if this is the "gay agenda."

Oh wait, this is the agenda of SOME gays.

I note that some Neo Fascists are white anglo saxon males.

Is their agenda the white anglo saxon male agenda then? All of them?

That would make YOU a fascist and all homosexuals approving of the
agenda's of some homosexuals.

Do you believe they do in fact support these things, or do you think it
might be that SOME believe that information is a good thing?

And I find a great deal of HETEROSEXUAL play of the kind mentioned here
quite common.

You just posted a major piece of propaganda.

Let's see about the sources, shall we then:

Mission America
(www.missionamerica.com), an Ohio-based pro-family group.

Oh....they wouldn't have an agenda, now would they?

And http://www.afajournal.org/2006/july/0706sodomy.html

Let's try http://www.afajournal.org/

And see what they are about, shall we?

Yes, just as I thought (and of course knew as I do keep track of the
fringe Christian groups, along with the Jewish ones, the Muslim ones,
and even the Hindu and Buddhist ones - they all have them).

And it's a publication of the

http://www.afa.net

Even MORE interesting.

Yer a card, Greg, an absolute card.

You complain that an advocacy group for children is likely to have a
bias in an investigation of CPS corruption, but you post this drivel and
want it believed?

They don't even provide links to sources, stupid. The sources could be
saying much more, and things could even be taken out of context to
change the meaning.

I believe you know a little something about that. heheheheheh

And too, you should check with Doan to see if you honored copyright.

R R R R R RR R R R R RR R R R.....wheeze...oh dear me

0:-



Imagine wrote:
Parents - do you know what your children are taught in school ??
--------------------
Sodomy 101
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/july/0706sodomy.html

"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto!" was Dorothy's famous line in
The Wizard of Oz. It has become a classic, meant to convey the bewilderment
of a person who suddenly realizes he's in a strange world and wonders how he
got there.

For many parents in Massachusetts, California and elsewhere in the U.S., the
truth is beginning to dawn on them: They aren't living in Kansas anymore.
Public education is being used to brainwash thousands of children - even as
young as kindergarten - into believing that homosexuality is simply a normal
and healthy variation of human sexuality.

To be sure, when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, Massachusetts and
California have been East Coast-West Coast thoroughbreds that seem to be
racing each other for the honor of wackiest state in the country.

Massachusetts got off to an early lead, where activists have had nearly
carte blanche since the early 1990s. Thus, at John Glenn Middle School in
Bedford, for example, pink triangles adorn classroom doors, and a rainbow
flag flies over the school during gay pride festivities. In Newton, parents
discovered that first-grade teacher David Gaita had "come out" to his
students and told them he was homosexual and loved men "the way your mom and
dad love each other." And in Brookline, lesbian eighth-grade teacher Deb
Allen told National Public Radio that she explicitly teaches her students
about lesbian sex, including the use of sex toys.

Meanwhile, in California, activists have been busily trying to turn that
state's public school system into a re-education camp that would make Fidel
Castro proud.

According to the Campaign for Children and Families (CCF,
www.savecalifornia.com), a California-based pro-family group, the state may
soon pass and implement three separate bills - SB 1437, AB 606 and AB 1506 -
which would have a staggering impact on what public schools teach children.

CCF said that the combination of the three measures would force all
California public schools to promote homosexuality, bisexuality and
transsexuality to schoolchildren as young as kindergarten; require textbooks
to promote these lifestyles; prohibit schools from sponsoring traditional
school activities, such as school proms that vote for a boy-girl couple as
prom "king" and "queen," or sports teams that "discriminate" against
transgendered kids; and prohibit public schools from teaching that there is
a natural family - that is, a father, a mother and their children.

Court-ordered indoctrination
However, children don't have to live in California or Massachusetts to
encounter the indoctrination process. In April, the Gay, Lesbian and
Straight Education Network (GLSEN), a homosexual pressure group, sponsored
its 10th annual "Day of Silence," a nationwide school-based protest. Nearly
4,500 schools participated, according to GLSEN. In order to promote the
homosexual lifestyle, more than 450,000 kids refused to speak a single word
during the school day, often with the approval of school administrators and
teachers.

In Wisconsin a group called Students for Unity used the Day of Silence to
distribute a questionnaire at Port Washington High School. According to the
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, hundreds of students answered questions like,
"If you have never slept with someone of your same gender, then how do you
know you wouldn't prefer it?" and "Could it be that your heterosexuality is
just a phase?"

Two teachers approved of the distribution of the questionnaire in their
classes and followed up with discussions, said LifeSiteNews, even though
parents were not informed about it beforehand.

Meanwhile, at Boyd County High School in Kentucky, students in Ann Qualls'
English class were required to watch the first 15-20 minutes of Brokeback
Mountain, a recent film about two homosexual sheepherders. While none of the
movie's explicit sex scene was shown, the entire class was spent on the
film - again without the knowledge or approval of parents.

Boyd County is well known by pro-family groups for another reason: All
students and faculty in Boyd County schools are under a court order to
attend diversity sessions that normalize homosexuality.

The court order stems from an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) lawsuit
filed against the school district three years ago, after the high school
refused to allow the formation of a student gay-rights group on campus. Boyd
County lost the suit, and in 2004 agreed to a settlement that included
mandatory diversity sessions for faculty and students.

Training for students included a video stating that if one student speaks
out against homosexuality to a gay student - that is considered harassment.
The offending student would be punished.

Some parents were angered by the agreement, and sued the school, demanding
that their children be allowed to opt out of the training.

In February, however, U.S. District Judge David Bunning ruled that all
students and faculty must undergo the mandatory sensitivity training in
order to make the schools safe for homosexual kids.

"Students have no religious or free-speech rights to opt-out of school
training aimed at stopping anti-gay harassment in Boyd County schools,"
Bunning said. The judge added that anti-harassment training that deals with
"actual or perceived sexual orientation" was "rationally related to a
legitimate educational goal, namely to maintain a safe environment."

Making schools safer?
Gay activists have insisted for years that things like diversity training
and gay pride events are necessary to prevent the harassment of kids who
identify themselves as homosexual. This "safer schools" mantra carries
emotional weight because most adults would probably agree that all students
should feel safe in school.

In order to promote safety, however, activists often demand that schools
indoctrinate students so that they accept homosexuality as normal. Following
Bunning's ruling in February, for example, Sharon McGowan of the ACLU's
Lesbian and Gay Rights Project swept aside suggestions that Boyd County
could make schools safe without the mandatory diversity training sessions.

"Just telling students not to pick on others because of their sexual
orientation or gender identity doesn't force them to change their beliefs,
and the judge agreed with us about that," McGowan said. (emphasis added)

It is this type of agenda - forcing students to change their beliefs about
homosexuality - that makes parents squeamish about groups like GLSEN.

But even if students don't end up altering their views about sexuality, the
potential for confusion among children is startling. In New Jersey, for
example, a school board decided that Eagleswood Township Elementary in West
Creek could continue to use 71-year-old Lily McBeth as a substitute
teacher - even though he had undergone a sex change.

Parents who were both for and against rehiring McBeth spoke during an
emotionally charged school board meeting in February, but in the end the
board said his sex change did not affect his ability to teach children.

One worried parent, however, said: "Show me the research that says this will
not affect my children. I will not allow my children to be placed in a petri
dish and hope that it turns out fine."

Unlike Dorothy, though, parents in New Jersey and elsewhere don't have magic
slippers to safely wisk their children back to Kansas. And, as it turns out,
Kansas isn't so normal anymore, either.

SIDEBAR: Sexual Field Trips
What if you discovered that your child's school had taken a classroom full
of kids to an off-campus, homosexual community center where they were
allowed to interact with homosexual adults, date same-sex peers, or watch
gay-oriented movies - all without your knowledge or permission?

Something akin to that is happening routinely in countless cities around the
country, according to Linda Harvey, president of Mission America
(www.missionamerica.com), an Ohio-based pro-family group.

In her eye-popping article, "A Safe Place for Kids to Learn Homosexual Sex:
The real story about community 'GLBT' youth centers," Harvey said kids who
self-identify as homosexuals are being funneled to groups off campus.

Funneled by whom? Often by the very Gay-Straight Alliances (GSAs) that claim
they only exist in schools to provide a safe learning environment.

"Frequently all area GSA members will be invited to youth center events,
where explicit descriptions of homosexual sex are very definitely on the
menu," Harvey said. These gay youth centers are located in almost every
medium or large city in the U.S. and allow kids to participate in activities
without parental permission.

These youth are exposed to explicit training about homosexual sex. A gay
youth community center in the San Francisco area, for example, publicized a
meeting for girls through the California GSA Network, encouraging GSA
members to attend. The event? "Make Your Own Sex Toy Night."

On the Boston gay youth center Web site, one of its workshops offers "open,
honest, judgment-free conversations about sex toys, oral sex, bare-backing
[anal sex without using condoms], mixing sex and drugs, how to keep it safe
and advocate for yourself during group sex, anonymous sex, and sex on the
go! We'll have something for everyone!



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Greegor wrote:
Betty and Kane:
How are these pervs any different from the gay agenda people in school?

It's called humans are weird and so are you, Greg.

One kind of nut is no different really than another kind.

And we live, as apparently the Dutch do to a degree, in a free country
were people can TRY to do just about anything they wish.

How it comes our or if they will be allowed is yet another story.

But you avoid the context, and outcomes, don't you, Greg.

Especially if they come out refuting your bull****.

Entertaining babble by the media isn't proof of anything...and this is
meant to titillate, Greg, and hooked you good.

You didn't bother to read it in full, did you, boy?


0:-



http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/out...956392681.html

Outcry over launch of Dutch pedophile party May 31, 2006 - 1:05PM
Photo: Belgian child rapist Marc Dutroux.

Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in
the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalisation
of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its web site it
would be officially registered today, proclaiming: "We are going to
shake The Hague awake!"

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to
12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the
party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad newspaper.

"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding
the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse
scandal in neighbouring Belgium.

"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians
only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van
den Berg told Reuters.

The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs,
prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.

An opinion poll published today showed that 82 per cent wanted the
government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 per cent
said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their
position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is
of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen
van Engelen told the AD daily.

Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to
investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be
established, ANP news agency reported.

Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also
demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in
every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims
and more serious ones."

The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed
although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also
supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television,
with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.

Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should
be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves.
Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should
remain illegal, the NVD said.

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public
and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel
for all.

Reuters





Greegor wrote:
Kane and Betty: Do you think this gay agenda version
of "early education" is just wonderful?

Didn't you try to say there is no gay agenda?

Imagine wrote:
Parents - do you know what your children are taught in school ??
--------------------
Sodomy 101
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/july/0706sodomy.html

"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto!" was Dorothy's famous line in
The Wizard of Oz. It has become a classic, meant to convey the bewilderment
of a person who suddenly realizes he's in a strange world and wonders how he
got there.

For many parents in Massachusetts, California and elsewhere in the U.S., the
truth is beginning to dawn on them: They aren't living in Kansas anymore.
Public education is being used to brainwash thousands of children - even as
young as kindergarten - into believing that homosexuality is simply a normal
and healthy variation of human sexuality.

To be sure, when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, Massachusetts and
California have been East Coast-West Coast thoroughbreds that seem to be
racing each other for the honor of wackiest state in the country.

Massachusetts got off to an early lead, where activists have had nearly
carte blanche since the early 1990s. Thus, at John Glenn Middle School in
Bedford, for example, pink triangles adorn classroom doors, and a rainbow
flag flies over the school during gay pride festivities. In Newton, parents
discovered that first-grade teacher David Gaita had "come out" to his
students and told them he was homosexual and loved men "the way your mom and
dad love each other." And in Brookline, lesbian eighth-grade teacher Deb
Allen told National Public Radio that she explicitly teaches her students
about lesbian sex, including the use of sex toys.

Meanwhile, in California, activists have been busily trying to turn that
state's public school system into a re-education camp that would make Fidel
Castro proud.

According to the Campaign for Children and Families (CCF,
www.savecalifornia.com), a California-based pro-family group, the state may
soon pass and implement three separate bills - SB 1437, AB 606 and AB 1506 -
which would have a staggering impact on what public schools teach children.

CCF said that the combination of the three measures would force all
California public schools to promote homosexuality, bisexuality and
transsexuality to schoolchildren as young as kindergarten; require textbooks
to promote these lifestyles; prohibit schools from sponsoring traditional
school activities, such as school proms that vote for a boy-girl couple as
prom "king" and "queen," or sports teams that "discriminate" against
transgendered kids; and prohibit public schools from teaching that there is
a natural family - that is, a father, a mother and their children.

Court-ordered indoctrination
However, children don't have to live in California or Massachusetts to
encounter the indoctrination process. In April, the Gay, Lesbian and
Straight Education Network (GLSEN), a homosexual pressure group, sponsored
its 10th annual "Day of Silence," a nationwide school-based protest. Nearly
4,500 schools participated, according to GLSEN. In order to promote the
homosexual lifestyle, more than 450,000 kids refused to speak a single word
during the school day, often with the approval of school administrators and
teachers.

In Wisconsin a group called Students for Unity used the Day of Silence to
distribute a questionnaire at Port Washington High School. According to the
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, hundreds of students answered questions like,
"If you have never slept with someone of your same gender, then how do you
know you wouldn't prefer it?" and "Could it be that your heterosexuality is
just a phase?"

Two teachers approved of the distribution of the questionnaire in their
classes and followed up with discussions, said LifeSiteNews, even though
parents were not informed about it beforehand.

Meanwhile, at Boyd County High School in Kentucky, students in Ann Qualls'
English class were required to watch the first 15-20 minutes of Brokeback
Mountain, a recent film about two homosexual sheepherders. While none of the
movie's explicit sex scene was shown, the entire class was spent on the
film - again without the knowledge or approval of parents.

Boyd County is well known by pro-family groups for another reason: All
students and faculty in Boyd County schools are under a court order to
attend diversity sessions that normalize homosexuality.

The court order stems from an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) lawsuit
filed against the school district three years ago, after the high school
refused to allow the formation of a student gay-rights group on campus. Boyd
County lost the suit, and in 2004 agreed to a settlement that included
mandatory diversity sessions for faculty and students.

Training for students included a video stating that if one student speaks
out against homosexuality to a gay student - that is considered harassment.
The offending student would be punished.

Some parents were angered by the agreement, and sued the school, demanding
that their children be allowed to opt out of the training.

In February, however, U.S. District Judge David Bunning ruled that all
students and faculty must undergo the mandatory sensitivity training in
order to make the schools safe for homosexual kids.

"Students have no religious or free-speech rights to opt-out of school
training aimed at stopping anti-gay harassment in Boyd County schools,"
Bunning said. The judge added that anti-harassment training that deals with
"actual or perceived sexual orientation" was "rationally related to a
legitimate educational goal, namely to maintain a safe environment."

Making schools safer?
Gay activists have insisted for years that things like diversity training
and gay pride events are necessary to prevent the harassment of kids who
identify themselves as homosexual. This "safer schools" mantra carries
emotional weight because most adults would probably agree that all students
should feel safe in school.

In order to promote safety, however, activists often demand that schools
indoctrinate students so that they accept homosexuality as normal. Following
Bunning's ruling in February, for example, Sharon McGowan of the ACLU's
Lesbian and Gay Rights Project swept aside suggestions that Boyd County
could make schools safe without the mandatory diversity training sessions.

"Just telling students not to pick on others because of their sexual
orientation or gender identity doesn't force them to change their beliefs,
and the judge agreed with us about that," McGowan said. (emphasis added)

It is this type of agenda - forcing students to change their beliefs about
homosexuality - that makes parents squeamish about groups like GLSEN.

But even if students don't end up altering their views about sexuality, the
potential for confusion among children is startling. In New Jersey, for
example, a school board decided that Eagleswood Township Elementary in West
Creek could continue to use 71-year-old Lily McBeth as a substitute
teacher - even though he had undergone a sex change.

Parents who were both for and against rehiring McBeth spoke during an
emotionally charged school board meeting in February, but in the end the
board said his sex change did not affect his ability to teach children.

One worried parent, however, said: "Show me the research that says this will
not affect my children. I will not allow my children to be placed in a petri
dish and hope that it turns out fine."

Unlike Dorothy, though, parents in New Jersey and elsewhere don't have magic
slippers to safely wisk their children back to Kansas. And, as it turns out,
Kansas isn't so normal anymore, either.

SIDEBAR: Sexual Field Trips
What if you discovered that your child's school had taken a classroom full
of kids to an off-campus, homosexual community center where they were
allowed to interact with homosexual adults, date same-sex peers, or watch
gay-oriented movies - all without your knowledge or permission?

Something akin to that is happening routinely in countless cities around the
country, according to Linda Harvey, president of Mission America
(www.missionamerica.com), an Ohio-based pro-family group.

In her eye-popping article, "A Safe Place for Kids to Learn Homosexual Sex:
The real story about community 'GLBT' youth centers," Harvey said kids who
self-identify as homosexuals are being funneled to groups off campus.

Funneled by whom? Often by the very Gay-Straight Alliances (GSAs) that claim
they only exist in schools to provide a safe learning environment.

"Frequently all area GSA members will be invited to youth center events,
where explicit descriptions of homosexual sex are very definitely on the
menu," Harvey said. These gay youth centers are located in almost every
medium or large city in the U.S. and allow kids to participate in activities
without parental permission.

These youth are exposed to explicit training about homosexual sex. A gay
youth community center in the San Francisco area, for example, publicized a
meeting for girls through the California GSA Network, encouraging GSA
members to attend. The event? "Make Your Own Sex Toy Night."

On the Boston gay youth center Web site, one of its workshops offers "open,
honest, judgment-free conversations about sex toys, oral sex, bare-backing
[anal sex without using condoms], mixing sex and drugs, how to keep it safe
and advocate for yourself during group sex, anonymous sex, and sex on the
go! We'll have something for everyone!



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
Betty and Kane:
How are these pervs any different from the gay agenda people in school?

I've not a clue what 'agenda' you are talking about.



http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/out...956392681.html

Outcry over launch of Dutch pedophile party May 31, 2006 - 1:05PM
Photo: Belgian child rapist Marc Dutroux.

Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in
the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalisation
of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its web site it
would be officially registered today, proclaiming: "We are going to
shake The Hague awake!"

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to
12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the
party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad newspaper.

"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding
the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse
scandal in neighbouring Belgium.

"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians
only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van
den Berg told Reuters.

The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs,
prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.

An opinion poll published today showed that 82 per cent wanted the
government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 per cent
said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their
position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is
of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen
van Engelen told the AD daily.

Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to
investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be
established, ANP news agency reported.

Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also
demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in
every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims
and more serious ones."

The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed
although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also
supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television,
with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.

Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should
be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves.
Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should
remain illegal, the NVD said.

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public
and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel
for all.

Reuters





Greegor wrote:
Kane and Betty: Do you think this gay agenda version
of "early education" is just wonderful?

Didn't you try to say there is no gay agenda?

Imagine wrote:
Parents - do you know what your children are taught in school ??
--------------------
Sodomy 101
http://www.afajournal.org/2006/july/0706sodomy.html

"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto!" was Dorothy's famous
line in
The Wizard of Oz. It has become a classic, meant to convey the
bewilderment
of a person who suddenly realizes he's in a strange world and wonders
how he
got there.

For many parents in Massachusetts, California and elsewhere in the
U.S., the
truth is beginning to dawn on them: They aren't living in Kansas
anymore.
Public education is being used to brainwash thousands of children -
even as
young as kindergarten - into believing that homosexuality is simply a
normal
and healthy variation of human sexuality.

To be sure, when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, Massachusetts
and
California have been East Coast-West Coast thoroughbreds that seem to
be
racing each other for the honor of wackiest state in the country.

Massachusetts got off to an early lead, where activists have had nearly
carte blanche since the early 1990s. Thus, at John Glenn Middle School
in
Bedford, for example, pink triangles adorn classroom doors, and a
rainbow
flag flies over the school during gay pride festivities. In Newton,
parents
discovered that first-grade teacher David Gaita had "come out" to his
students and told them he was homosexual and loved men "the way your
mom and
dad love each other." And in Brookline, lesbian eighth-grade teacher
Deb
Allen told National Public Radio that she explicitly teaches her
students
about lesbian sex, including the use of sex toys.

Meanwhile, in California, activists have been busily trying to turn
that
state's public school system into a re-education camp that would make
Fidel
Castro proud.

According to the Campaign for Children and Families (CCF,
www.savecalifornia.com), a California-based pro-family group, the state
may
soon pass and implement three separate bills - SB 1437, AB 606 and AB
1506 -
which would have a staggering impact on what public schools teach
children.

CCF said that the combination of the three measures would force all
California public schools to promote homosexuality, bisexuality and
transsexuality to schoolchildren as young as kindergarten; require
textbooks
to promote these lifestyles; prohibit schools from sponsoring
traditional
school activities, such as school proms that vote for a boy-girl couple
as
prom "king" and "queen," or sports teams that "discriminate" against
transgendered kids; and prohibit public schools from teaching that
there is
a natural family - that is, a father, a mother and their children.

Court-ordered indoctrination
However, children don't have to live in California or Massachusetts to
encounter the indoctrination process. In April, the Gay, Lesbian and
Straight Education Network (GLSEN), a homosexual pressure group,
sponsored
its 10th annual "Day of Silence," a nationwide school-based protest.
Nearly
4,500 schools participated, according to GLSEN. In order to promote the
homosexual lifestyle, more than 450,000 kids refused to speak a single
word
during the school day, often with the approval of school administrators
and
teachers.

In Wisconsin a group called Students for Unity used the Day of Silence
to
distribute a questionnaire at Port Washington High School. According to
the
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, hundreds of students answered questions
like,
"If you have never slept with someone of your same gender, then how do
you
know you wouldn't prefer it?" and "Could it be that your
heterosexuality is
just a phase?"

Two teachers approved of the distribution of the questionnaire in their
classes and followed up with discussions, said LifeSiteNews, even
though
parents were not informed about it beforehand.

Meanwhile, at Boyd County High School in Kentucky, students in Ann
Qualls'
English class were required to watch the first 15-20 minutes of
Brokeback
Mountain, a recent film about two homosexual sheepherders. While none
of the
movie's explicit sex scene was shown, the entire class was spent on the
film - again without the knowledge or approval of parents.

Boyd County is well known by pro-family groups for another reason: All
students and faculty in Boyd County schools are under a court order to
attend diversity sessions that normalize homosexuality.

The court order stems from an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)
lawsuit
filed against the school district three years ago, after the high
school
refused to allow the formation of a student gay-rights group on campus.
Boyd
County lost the suit, and in 2004 agreed to a settlement that included
mandatory diversity sessions for faculty and students.

Training for students included a video stating that if one student
speaks
out against homosexuality to a gay student - that is considered
harassment.
The offending student would be punished.

Some parents were angered by the agreement, and sued the school,
demanding
that their children be allowed to opt out of the training.

In February, however, U.S. District Judge David Bunning ruled that all
students and faculty must undergo the mandatory sensitivity training in
order to make the schools safe for homosexual kids.

"Students have no religious or free-speech rights to opt-out of school
training aimed at stopping anti-gay harassment in Boyd County schools,"
Bunning said. The judge added that anti-harassment training that deals
with
"actual or perceived sexual orientation" was "rationally related to a
legitimate educational goal, namely to maintain a safe environment."

Making schools safer?
Gay activists have insisted for years that things like diversity
training
and gay pride events are necessary to prevent the harassment of kids
who
identify themselves as homosexual. This "safer schools" mantra carries
emotional weight because most adults would probably agree that all
students
should feel safe in school.

In order to promote safety, however, activists often demand that
schools
indoctrinate students so that they accept homosexuality as normal.
Following
Bunning's ruling in February, for example, Sharon McGowan of the ACLU's
Lesbian and Gay Rights Project swept aside suggestions that Boyd County
could make schools safe without the mandatory diversity training
sessions.

"Just telling students not to pick on others because of their sexual
orientation or gender identity doesn't force them to change their
beliefs,
and the judge agreed with us about that," McGowan said. (emphasis
added)

It is this type of agenda - forcing students to change their beliefs
about
homosexuality - that makes parents squeamish about groups like GLSEN.

But even if students don't end up altering their views about sexuality,
the
potential for confusion among children is startling. In New Jersey, for
example, a school board decided that Eagleswood Township Elementary in
West
Creek could continue to use 71-year-old Lily McBeth as a substitute
teacher - even though he had undergone a sex change.

Parents who were both for and against rehiring McBeth spoke during an
emotionally charged school board meeting in February, but in the end
the
board said his sex change did not affect his ability to teach children.

One worried parent, however, said: "Show me the research that says this
will
not affect my children. I will not allow my children to be placed in a
petri
dish and hope that it turns out fine."

Unlike Dorothy, though, parents in New Jersey and elsewhere don't have
magic
slippers to safely wisk their children back to Kansas. And, as it turns
out,
Kansas isn't so normal anymore, either.

SIDEBAR: Sexual Field Trips
What if you discovered that your child's school had taken a classroom
full
of kids to an off-campus, homosexual community center where they were
allowed to interact with homosexual adults, date same-sex peers, or
watch
gay-oriented movies - all without your knowledge or permission?

Something akin to that is happening routinely in countless cities
around the
country, according to Linda Harvey, president of Mission America
(www.missionamerica.com), an Ohio-based pro-family group.

In her eye-popping article, "A Safe Place for Kids to Learn Homosexual
Sex:
The real story about community 'GLBT' youth centers," Harvey said kids
who
self-identify as homosexuals are being funneled to groups off campus.

Funneled by whom? Often by the very Gay-Straight Alliances (GSAs) that
claim
they only exist in schools to provide a safe learning environment.

"Frequently all area GSA members will be invited to youth center
events,
where explicit descriptions of homosexual sex are very definitely on
the
menu," Harvey said. These gay youth centers are located in almost every
medium or large city in the U.S. and allow kids to participate in
activities
without parental permission.

These youth are exposed to explicit training about homosexual sex. A
gay
youth community center in the San Francisco area, for example,
publicized a
meeting for girls through the California GSA Network, encouraging GSA
members to attend. The event? "Make Your Own Sex Toy Night."

On the Boston gay youth center Web site, one of its workshops offers
"open,
honest, judgment-free conversations about sex toys, oral sex,
bare-backing
[anal sex without using condoms], mixing sex and drugs, how to keep it
safe
and advocate for yourself during group sex, anonymous sex, and sex on
the
go! We'll have something for everyone!

Which gays are not in favor of 5 year olds getting
gay friendly sex ed in public school?

Two teachers in one school came out.
Are there gays who are against that?

Kane wrote
You have proof that homosexuality isn't a
normal form of sexual expression?

How would you define a "normal form of sexual expression"?

Statistically? (minority)
Functionality? (conception?)

Kane wrote
e if this is the "gay agenda."
Oh wait, this is the agenda of SOME gays.

When the agenda is things gays want
and things that benefit gays, you STILL
want to pretend that it is a MINORITY
of gays who are in favor of it?

Have you got some really WIERD stats
that show gays are against their own interests?

Greegor wrote:
Which gays are not in favor of 5 year olds getting
gay friendly sex ed in public school?

What IS your point? Which gays to do you? You want to know which ones I
know. WHAT YOU STUPID ****ANT?

Two teachers in one school came out.
Are there gays who are against that?

Do you have any idea how hollow your head is?

Kane wrote
You have proof that homosexuality isn't a
normal form of sexual expression?

How would you define a "normal form of sexual expression"?

Statistically? (minority)
Functionality? (conception?)

YOU MADE THE CLAIM, asshole. Answer it yourself.

What is abnormal about homosexuality?

Is it NOT found in nature?

Kane wrote
e if this is the "gay agenda."
Oh wait, this is the agenda of SOME gays.

When the agenda is things gays want
and things that benefit gays, you STILL
want to pretend that it is a MINORITY
of gays who are in favor of it?

There you go with your ****ing "pretend" again. Grammatically it is the
utmost in stupidity.

I DON'T "PRETEND" I'VE SAID SOMETHING, you ****ing git.

Have you got some really WIERD stats
that show gays are against their own interests?

You ran so fast in that circular reasoning your ran into your ass and
jammed your head firmly up it.

There is not more a "gay agenda" than there is a "straight agenda."

Bigotry creates the condition the bigots claim.

Of course there is an agenda....it's to get you ****ing lying vicious
dangerous ****ants off their back you ****ing asshole.

Have a nice day.

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--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Greegor wrote:
Which gays are not in favor of 5 year olds getting
gay friendly sex ed in public school?

Kane wrote
What IS your point?
Which gays to do you?
You want to know which ones I know.
WHAT YOU STUPID ****ANT?

My point was perfectly clear.
You tried to pretend the gay agenda
described in the school was only the
agenda of SOME gays. I asked which
ones are not in favor of classes in
gay friendly sex ed for 5 year olds.

Your english kind of fell apart.

Greg wrote
Two teachers in one school came out.
Are there gays who are against that?

Kane wrote
Do you have any idea how hollow your head is?

Please answer the question.

Kane wrote
You have proof that homosexuality isn't a
normal form of sexual expression?

Greg wrote
How would you define a "normal form of sexual expression"?

Statistically? (minority)
Functionality? (conception?)

Kane wrote
YOU MADE THE CLAIM, asshole. Answer it yourself.

What claim are you talking about and where
did I make it? Not in this thread.

What is abnormal about homosexuality?
Is it NOT found in nature?

So is cannibalism. So what?

snip damaged quote

Greg wrote
When the agenda is things gays want
and things that benefit gays, you STILL
want to pretend that it is a MINORITY
of gays who are in favor of it?

Kane wrote
There you go with your [f-ing] "pretend" again.
Grammatically it is the utmost in stupidity.
I DON'T "PRETEND" I'VE SAID SOMETHING, you [f-ing] git.

Are you drunk?
"want to" might have been extranious but
absent that it makes perfect sense.
You pretend that the agenda is supported
by only SOME gays, even though it is
full of things MOST gays want for themselves.

Greg wrote
Have you got some really WIERD stats
that show gays are against their own interests?

Michael© wrote:
I bet he has 24 million stats that show just that!
All from Google!
ROFL

Kane wrote
You ran so fast in that circular reasoning your ran
into your ass and jammed your head firmly up it.

Discussing gays and you made an anus joke?
Very diplomatic and tactful.

Kane wrote
There is not more a "gay agenda" than there is a "straight agenda."
Bigotry creates the condition the bigots claim.
Of course there is an agenda....it's to get you [f-ing] lying vicious
dangerous ****ants off their back you [f-ing] [a-hole].
Have a nice day.

Does disagreement threaten you?
(You said "dangerous ****ants")
Then you complain about the quality of debate?

Greegor wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Which gays are not in favor of 5 year olds getting
gay friendly sex ed in public school?

Kane wrote
What IS your point?
Which gays to do you?
You want to know which ones I know.
WHAT YOU STUPID ****ANT?

My point was perfectly clear.

Bull****.

When you ask "which gays" just exactly who do you mean?

It isn't even a proper question grammatically or logically.

"Which gays?"

It simply means you are insinuating that ALL GAYS support gay friendly
sex ed in public schools. I've known some conservative gays that do NOT
approve of public school sex ed at all.

You tried to pretend the gay agenda
described in the school was only the
agenda of SOME gays.

No one "tried to pretend." That's logically impossible. Just how stupid
are you?

And it's impossible for ALL gays to be in favor of any particular thing.
Some gays don't even like being gay because of raging bigots such as
yourself.

I asked which
ones are not in favor of classes in
gay friendly sex ed for 5 year olds.

Alice, Phil, Barry, Susan, Patrick, Walt, and Doug.

Next question please.

Now show YOUR names of all those in favor, OR since you and I know you
are simply playing games, provide the stats. Not your guess.

Your english kind of fell apart.

My English?

R R R R .... you are out of your mind, child.

Okay, which heterosexuals are not in favor of any sex education in
public schools, stupid?

Greg wrote
Two teachers in one school came out.

Wow! TWO? Who'd have thought, eh.

Are there gays who are against that?

Against what? Coming out? Being in school? Why shouldn't a gay person
also be a school teacher? My two local schools have gay PRINCIPALS. Big
deal.

Kane wrote
Do you have any idea how hollow your head is?

Please answer the question.

Please ask questions that are logically possible to answer. Yours is an
insinuation that all gays are in favor of gay friendly sex education to
five year olds.

You are making the claim. Prove it. Or admit YOU do not know if any are
or not.

And if they are....so what?

Kane wrote
You have proof that homosexuality isn't a
normal form of sexual expression?

Greg wrote
How would you define a "normal form of sexual expression"?

Statistically? (minority)

Then what other minority group behaviors are you prepared to claim are
not normal?

Functionality? (conception?)

The answer? It's found in nature. It is part of the lives of a large
segment of humanity.

People have sex for conception only these days? Why would I use that as
a measure of anything? Women can be artificially inseminated. Men can
have surrogates bear their children. These are done routinely these
days. Then there is adoption. Conception isn't a measure of normal. All
these are "normal." Just unusual in other than direct breeding.

Kane wrote
YOU MADE THE CLAIM, asshole. Answer it yourself.

What claim are you talking about and where
did I make it? Not in this thread.

Oh, then you do not have a problem with homosexuality.

I did not say you made it in this thread. You've revealed your bigotry
before.

What is abnormal about homosexuality?
Is it NOT found in nature?

So is cannibalism. So what?

Non sequitur. You asked about normality and homosexuality.

Cannibalism is rare, and requires the killing of people. Homosexuality
is not rare does require killing.


snip damaged quote

Greg wrote
When the agenda is things gays want
and things that benefit gays, you STILL
want to pretend that it is a MINORITY
of gays who are in favor of it?

Kane wrote
There you go with your [f-ing] "pretend" again.
Grammatically it is the utmost in stupidity.
I DON'T "PRETEND" I'VE SAID SOMETHING, you [f-ing] git.

Are you drunk?

No, are you?

"want to" might have been extranious but
absent that it makes perfect sense.

What is wrong with gays having an agenda that benefits them?

You pretend

**** you and your "pretend."

that the agenda is supported
by only SOME gays,

It's impossible for all gays to agree on any single thing. That is
humanly impossible for any large demographic.

even though it is
full of things MOST gays want for themselves.

Bigotry: The assumption that anything characteristic of one in a group
has to be present in all.

Greg wrote
Have you got some really WIERD stats
that show gays are against their own interests?

Michael© wrote:
I bet he has 24 million stats that show just that!
All from Google!
ROFL

Kane wrote
You ran so fast in that circular reasoning your ran
into your ass and jammed your head firmly up it.

Discussing gays and you made an anus joke?
Very diplomatic and tactful.

I thought you'd like it. You are a homosexual.

Kane wrote
There is not more a "gay agenda" than there is a "straight agenda."
Bigotry creates the condition the bigots claim.
Of course there is an agenda....it's to get you [f-ing] lying vicious
dangerous ****ants off their back you [f-ing] [a-hole].
Have a nice day.

Does disagreement threaten you?

Not in the least. It appears to threaten you, given your subject and
your insinuations.

(You said "dangerous ****ants")

Yep.

Then you complain about the quality of debate?

Bigotry is always dangerous. It can and does result in killings, even wars.

You are sick, and you are homosexual.

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--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

0:- wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Which gays are not in favor of 5 year olds getting
gay friendly sex ed in public school?

Kane wrote
What IS your point?
Which gays to do you?
You want to know which ones I know.
WHAT YOU STUPID ****ANT?

My point was perfectly clear.

Bull****.

When you ask "which gays" just exactly who do you mean?

It isn't even a proper question grammatically or logically.

"Which gays?"

It simply means you are insinuating that ALL GAYS support gay friendly
sex ed in public schools. I've known some conservative gays that do NOT
approve of public school sex ed at all.

You tried to pretend the gay agenda
described in the school was only the
agenda of SOME gays.

No one "tried to pretend." That's logically impossible. Just how stupid
are you?

And it's impossible for ALL gays to be in favor of any particular thing.
Some gays don't even like being gay because of raging bigots such as
yourself.

I asked which
ones are not in favor of classes in
gay friendly sex ed for 5 year olds.

Alice, Phil, Barry, Susan, Patrick, Walt, and Doug.

Next question please.

Now show YOUR names of all those in favor, OR since you and I know you
are simply playing games, provide the stats. Not your guess.

Your english kind of fell apart.

My English?

R R R R .... you are out of your mind, child.

Okay, which heterosexuals are not in favor of any sex education in
public schools, stupid?

Greg wrote
Two teachers in one school came out.

Wow! TWO? Who'd have thought, eh.

Are there gays who are against that?

Against what? Coming out? Being in school? Why shouldn't a gay person
also be a school teacher? My two local schools have gay PRINCIPALS. Big
deal.

Kane wrote
Do you have any idea how hollow your head is?

Please answer the question.

Please ask questions that are logically possible to answer. Yours is an
insinuation that all gays are in favor of gay friendly sex education to
five year olds.

You are making the claim. Prove it. Or admit YOU do not know if any are
or not.

And if they are....so what?

Kane wrote
You have proof that homosexuality isn't a
normal form of sexual expression?

Greg wrote
How would you define a "normal form of sexual expression"?

Statistically? (minority)

Then what other minority group behaviors are you prepared to claim are
not normal?

Functionality? (conception?)

The answer? It's found in nature. It is part of the lives of a large
segment of humanity.

People have sex for conception only these days? Why would I use that as
a measure of anything? Women can be artificially inseminated. Men can
have surrogates bear their children. These are done routinely these
days. Then there is adoption. Conception isn't a measure of normal. All
these are "normal." Just unusual in other than direct breeding.

Kane wrote
YOU MADE THE CLAIM, asshole. Answer it yourself.

What claim are you talking about and where
did I make it? Not in this thread.

Oh, then you do not have a problem with homosexuality.

I did not say you made it in this thread. You've revealed your bigotry
before.

What is abnormal about homosexuality?
Is it NOT found in nature?

So is cannibalism. So what?

Non sequitur. You asked about normality and homosexuality.

Cannibalism is rare, and requires the killing of people. Homosexuality
is not rare does require killing.


snip damaged quote

Greg wrote
When the agenda is things gays want
and things that benefit gays, you STILL
want to pretend that it is a MINORITY
of gays who are in favor of it?

Kane wrote
There you go with your [f-ing] "pretend" again.
Grammatically it is the utmost in stupidity.
I DON'T "PRETEND" I'VE SAID SOMETHING, you [f-ing] git.

Are you drunk?

No, are you?

"want to" might have been extranious but
absent that it makes perfect sense.

What is wrong with gays having an agenda that benefits them?

You pretend

**** you and your "pretend."

that the agenda is supported
by only SOME gays,

It's impossible for all gays to agree on any single thing. That is
humanly impossible for any large demographic.

even though it is
full of things MOST gays want for themselves.

Bigotry: The assumption that anything characteristic of one in a group
has to be present in all.

Greg wrote
Have you got some really WIERD stats
that show gays are against their own interests?

Michael© wrote:
I bet he has 24 million stats that show just that!
All from Google!
ROFL

Kane wrote
You ran so fast in that circular reasoning your ran
into your ass and jammed your head firmly up it.

Discussing gays and you made an anus joke?
Very diplomatic and tactful.

I thought you'd like it. You are a homosexual.

The sentences above should read, "It thought you'd like it. You are a
homosexual?"


Kane wrote
There is not more a "gay agenda" than there is a "straight agenda."
Bigotry creates the condition the bigots claim.
Of course there is an agenda....it's to get you [f-ing] lying vicious
dangerous ****ants off their back you [f-ing] [a-hole].
Have a nice day.

Does disagreement threaten you?

Not in the least. It appears to threaten you, given your subject and
your insinuations.

(You said "dangerous ****ants")

Yep.

Then you complain about the quality of debate?

Bigotry is always dangerous. It can and does result in killings, even wars.

You are sick, and you are homosexual.

Correction, gosh two mistakes in a row. The above sentence should read,
"You are sick, and you are homosexual?"

Sorry 'bout that.

Greg is pretending to claim he's not a gay baiter.


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--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)