If they can do it...

"DB" wrote in message
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"Phil #3" wrote in

Truck drivers do not make that much plus most live in a space smaller
than
a prison cell for months at a time, catching a shower when possible,
eating gawd-awful food and dealing with numb-skulled government
officials
every workday. Trust me, it's not that attractive after the second week.
None of the occupations you mention make much. Painting is seasonal and
sporadic and laborers work for pennies and have no security.
Phil #3

So if the present pool of illegals vanish from the country, who will be
left
to take up the millions of vacant positions?

There would be no need to replace illegals who don't work or illegals who
are involved in criminal activities. The illegals who actually work would
be replaced by people taking jobs with market force driven wage increases
and by mechanized improvements to replace human labor.

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

There would be no need to replace illegals who don't work or illegals who
are involved in criminal activities. The illegals who actually work would
be replaced by people taking jobs with market force driven wage increases
and by mechanized improvements to replace human labor.

Mechanized improvements, you mean replace people with machines?

How does that work with constructing houses, roads, bridges, landscaping,
Painting, harvesting crops & other menial labor? The farmers need their
goods picked this season, not 20 years from now when they might have these
automated machines available.

Check the unemployment rates, the US is about 100% employed as the UI rates
is less than 6%.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...ent/index.html
You always need a pool of about a minimum of 8% unemployed people to fill
vacant jobs for growth.

You are listening to the same propaganda that they use to pass CS laws.
Lobbyists blow everything out of proportion and get people fired up, so it
makes it easy to pass laws that are just not needed or unfair. How did they
get CS legislation passed into law, they used models like Doctors not paying
their alimony and the children suffering as a result.

It's all hype and I'm surprised you all are buying into it?

Think about this, if Americans were really doing the work, there would be no
available jobs for Illegals?

"DB" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

There would be no need to replace illegals who don't work or illegals
who
are involved in criminal activities. The illegals who actually work
would
be replaced by people taking jobs with market force driven wage
increases
and by mechanized improvements to replace human labor.

Mechanized improvements, you mean replace people with machines?

Yes. When Caesar Chavez organized the United Farm Workers into a union back
in the 70's the immediate response was to automate the crop picking
functions. Every crop from wine grape harvesting to tomato picking became
an immediate mechanized function for agricultural conglomerates. The
largest food industry companies invested heavily in new automated machinery
to replace the higher wages paid to bracero laborers. Chavez gambled field
farm labor were irreplacable and he lost.


How does that work with constructing houses, roads, bridges, landscaping,
Painting, harvesting crops & other menial labor? The farmers need their
goods picked this season, not 20 years from now when they might have these
automated machines available.

You are ignoring the fact technology has overtaken every major industry in
the U.S. except those with ready amounts of cheap labor. If the cheap labor
is forced to leave, technological advancement will follow almost
immediately.


Check the unemployment rates, the US is about 100% employed as the UI
rates
is less than 6%.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...ent/index.html
You always need a pool of about a minimum of 8% unemployed people to fill
vacant jobs for growth.

And the illegal population is about 5% of the total population. Without
illegal workers the U.S. would have 100% employment and no unemployment.
Controlled immigration would allow for a safety net of "legal" workers to
suck up the difference.


You are listening to the same propaganda that they use to pass CS laws.
Lobbyists blow everything out of proportion and get people fired up, so
it
makes it easy to pass laws that are just not needed or unfair. How did
they
get CS legislation passed into law, they used models like Doctors not
paying
their alimony and the children suffering as a result.

Nice try. But the only similarity between CS and illegal immigration is
politicians pandering to a select group to gain their votes. CS policy gets
them the women's vote. Immigration policy gets them the illegal immigrate's
vote. And if you want a lesson in how illegal immigrantes get registered to
vote I'll be glad to provide it.


It's all hype and I'm surprised you all are buying into it?

Think about this, if Americans were really doing the work, there would be
no
available jobs for Illegals?

Think about this - If legal resident welfare recipients really had to go to
work they would do it to survive. They would pick crops, mow lawns, clean
hotel rooms, wash dishes, or whatever it takes to make money.

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Nice try. But the only similarity between CS and illegal immigration is
politicians pandering to a select group to gain their votes. CS policy
gets
them the women's vote. Immigration policy gets them the illegal
immigrate's
vote. And if you want a lesson in how illegal immigrantes get registered
to
vote I'll be glad to provide it.

Funny, I'm a legal immigrant and I can never vote!

"DB" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Nice try. But the only similarity between CS and illegal immigration is
politicians pandering to a select group to gain their votes. CS policy
gets
them the women's vote. Immigration policy gets them the illegal
immigrate's
vote. And if you want a lesson in how illegal immigrantes get
registered
to
vote I'll be glad to provide it.

Funny, I'm a legal immigrant and I can never vote!

Oh bull ****!!!

Here are the steps illegal Mexicans follow:

1. Go to a state like Oregon and buy a fraudulently addressed envelope with
a fictitious in-state address.
2. Register to vote using the fraudulent piece of mail.
3. Receive a voter registration card by mail at a temporary address like a
motel.
4. Go to a state sponsored "benefits carousel" to secure a matricula
consular card to substantiate your identity in the U.S..
5. Use the voter registration card, the mailing address on the voter
registration card, and the matricular consular card as three pieces of ID to
get an Oregon drivers license.
6. Exchange the Oregon drivers license in any state to prove citizenship,
get on airplanes, vote, or act like a legal citizen.

It's crap like this that makes people like me get irate at how the federal
and state governments pretend neither has any responsibility for the illegal
immigration problem or the solutions.

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

6. Exchange the Oregon drivers license in any state to prove citizenship,
get on airplanes, vote, or act like a legal citizen.

It's crap like this that makes people like me get irate at how the federal
and state governments pretend neither has any responsibility for the
illegal
immigration problem or the solutions.

Thanks Bob, had I known it was that easy I woudln't have bothered with all
the hurdles.
Unfortunately, a driver's licence is not valid proof of citizenship anymore.
How can I get a work authorization card to get a $10/hr job to pay my
$53,000 arrearages?

Maybe I'm just better off getting one of these illegal truck driving jobs
and disappearing if I decide to stay here ?

"DB" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Nice try. But the only similarity between CS and illegal immigration is
politicians pandering to a select group to gain their votes. CS policy
gets
them the women's vote. Immigration policy gets them the illegal
immigrate's
vote. And if you want a lesson in how illegal immigrantes get registered
to
vote I'll be glad to provide it.

Funny, I'm a legal immigrant and I can never vote!

Bob Whiteside's analysis is perfectly correct. Both child support and
immigration policy in the U.S. are examples of the way in which nearly all
issues are decided on the basis of politicians' (and judges') pandering to
special interest groups.

The current situation in domestic relations law reflects the fact that
there is no politically significant special interest group representing the
interests of heterosexual men. Similarly, most of what happens in U.S.
immigration policy is the result of the fact that those who want the law on
immigration to be effectively enforced -- although very likely the great
majority of U.S. voters -- have no special interest group to represent their
views.

Even if you discount the possibility that illegal immigrants have found
ways of voting in U.S. elections, there is no doubt that politicians'
decisions on immigration policy are the result of pandering to special
interest groups. For years, one of the major influences in U.S. politics
has been the recognition that Hispanics are the fastest growing minority
group. Politicians assume that Hispanics who can vote legally in the U.S.
don't want any effective action on illegal immigration. I'm not at all sure
that this assumption is correct. However, there can be no doubt that
pandering to Hispanics and other ethnic groups has been the mainstay of
political and judicial decisions on immigration policy and enforcement.

Years ago, Nixon used to talk about "the silent majority." He may have
been corrupt and guilty of all kinds of discreditable actions, but he got
that one absolutely right.

Phil #3 is absolutely correct....Our welfare system is based mostly on
lazy good for nothing socialist parasites, who don't give
a damn about putting in an honest days work,
and the politicians could not care less about
the voting public....except the pork barrel of
course!!!

Iam 52 years old and I have done many of the
jobs that illegals have done....i.e.-----painting,
truck driving, construction laboring, and a bunch of other ****ty
jobs....landscaping etc....
but at least its work...In the last several years
construction jobs have been drying up primarily
because of illegal labor and greedy employers
that begrudge even 7 or 8 dollars and hour.

Iam fed up with both CS and illegal labor and
our corrupt government.

"Patrick Lee" wrote in message
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Iam 52 years old and I have done many of the
jobs that illegals have done....i.e.-----painting,
truck driving, construction laboring, and a bunch of other ****ty
jobs....landscaping etc....
but at least its work...In the last several years
construction jobs have been drying up primarily
because of illegal labor and greedy employers
that begrudge even 7 or 8 dollars and hour.

Iam fed up with both CS and illegal labor and
our corrupt government.


You mirror my feelings and experience. (I'm 59)
Phil #3