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"Poor wording" Straus' survey from FRL-New Hampshire
One of the icon *experts* in family violence research.
Check out the research design of his survey. Where do you find problems? http://www.unh.edu/cpw/Physical_Puni...stionnaire.htm DESCRIPTORS; CPS, DCYF, CHILD PROTECTIVE, DHS, DCF, FIFTH AMENDMENT, PUNISHMENT, RESEARCH DESIGN, QUESTIONNAIRE DESIGN, RESEARCH PROTOCOL |
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Fern has problems with Straus...was "Poor wording" Straus' surveyfrom FRL-New Hampshire
Fern,
The problems I find are in your understanding of research. There is nothing wrong with the survey. Where do you have problems? LaVonne Fern5827 wrote: One of the icon *experts* in family violence research. Check out the research design of his survey. Where do you find problems? http://www.unh.edu/cpw/Physical_Puni...stionnaire.htm DESCRIPTORS; CPS, DCYF, CHILD PROTECTIVE, DHS, DCF, FIFTH AMENDMENT, PUNISHMENT, RESEARCH DESIGN, QUESTIONNAIRE DESIGN, RESEARCH PROTOCOL |
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Fern has problems with Straus...was "Poor wording" Straus' survey from FRL-New Hampshire
"Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... Fern, The problems I find are in your understanding of research. There is nothing wrong with the survey. Where do you have problems? Here's what I put in the "comments" box of the survey: --- I have to wonder why the first question is worded the way it is. I see three basic problems with it. 1) Something can be considered beneficial without being considered truly necessary. For example, I regard a chainsaw as beneficial in cutting down a tree, but the same job could be done (albeit not as quickly) using an axe or an old-fashioned muscle-powered saw. Similarly, people can view spanking as the best way to deal with certain types of behavior problems without viewing spanking as truly necessary to deal with those types of problems. Thus, to whatever extent respondents draw a distinction between useful and necessary, the question as worded could easily result in answers that under-represent the percentage who view spanking as useful. 2) The words "a child" could, at least potentially, be interpreted in dramatically different ways. People might interpret the question in terms of "every child," in which case the existence of a handful of children for whom spanking is not necessary would make the answer that spanking is not necessary even if they consider spanking necessary for most children. They might interpret it in terms of "some such children exist," in which case the existence of a handful of children for whom spanking is necessary would make the answer yes even if they do not consider spanking necessary for most children. They might picture what they think of as an "average" or "typical" child, ignoring both extremes. Or they might focus on their own children, or on themselves in children, in which case personalities of particular children (among other family-specific factors) would affect their responses. It would be better if the question were worded in a way that left less potential for different interpretations, or perhaps even if the question were asked in a way that tried to capture nuances such as whether a person believes that spanking would be necessary or beneficial for all, most, many, some, a few, or no children. (If I were doing it, I would likely split the question into two all/most/. format questions, one using "beneficial" and a second using "necessary.") 3) The words "good hard" in the first question seem a bit loaded and prejudicial - or as if they are based on a particular stereotype that not everyone who supports spanking agrees with. Consider the situation of an adult who grew up getting "good hard spankings" consisting of ten or twenty hard licks with some kind of implement, possibly leaving welts or bruises at times, and who thinks spankings can sometimes be necessary or useful but doesn't think spankings need to be nearly as hard as what he or she got. It seems entirely plausible that there are people who consider "moderate" spankings useful or perhaps even necessary in some situations but who view what they think of as "good hard" ones as excessive. (My own view is that how appropriate or inappropriate a "good hard" spanking is depends on the seriousness of a child's misbehavior. Spanking a ten-year-old hard for shoplifting is one thing, but spanking a five-year-old hard for "being careless" and spilling a glass of milk is something else entirely.) I would also note that this survey, like every other piece of research I remember seeing on the subject of spanking (not that I've seen anywhere near all of it), explores only the number of actual spankings given, not the degree to which the threat or recognized possibility of spankings exists. In my case, around the time I was 13, I was still very definitely regarded as eligible for spankings. But because I generally tried to behave well enough to stay out of trouble (partly because I didn't want to be punished and partly for other reasons), and because my parents did not expect perfection, actual spankings were extremely rare by the time I reached that age. Thus, the influence of spanking's role in my family was completely out of proportion to my best guess at how many spankings I actually got. Surveys such as this one completely miss the possibility that the threat or recognized possibility of spanking can play a major role in parents' disciplinary strategies in families where actual spankings are rare. |
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Fern has problems with Straus...was "Poor wording" Straus' survey from FRL-New Hampshire
On 08 Jun 2004 22:12:54 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:
Nathan sees the problems inherent in the wording of the survey questionnaire. He does appear to be a bit intellectually "precious" in his arguments. He, like so many here, revert to the simplistic interpretation common to fundamentalists. Those who have a set of beliefs that are unassailable on faith. Or course they WILL mount what appears to be reasoned logical argument, but the reality of their fundie mindset because apparent if one can keep them posting long enough. The words "good hard" in the first question seem a bit loaded and prejudicial - or as if they are based on a particular stereotype that not everyone who supports spanking agrees with. Consider the situation o Could Straus' FRL be a fetish cabal? "Fetish cabal?" Is that a new Lettuce variety? One wonders given the juvenile wording on the survey. A survey questionaire isn't a graduate seminar. It has to be worded, if one is addressing the population at large, as that one was, at about 8th grade level of english comprehension. Give the failure of the public school system, I'd say that should be lowered, for understanding, to about a 6th grade level. It's you that do not understand research, Foilage. Kane Nathan observed: Subject: Fern has problems with Straus...was "Poor wording" Straus' survey from FRL-New Hampshire From: "Nathan A. Barclay" Date: 6/7/2004 8:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... Fern, The problems I find are in your understanding of research. There is nothing wrong with the survey. Where do you have problems? Here's what I put in the "comments" box of the survey: --- I have to wonder why the first question is worded the way it is. I see three basic problems with it. 1) Something can be considered beneficial without being considered truly necessary. For example, I regard a chainsaw as beneficial in cutting down a tree, but the same job could be done (albeit not as quickly) using an axe or an old-fashioned muscle-powered saw. Similarly, people can view spanking as the best way to deal with certain types of behavior problems without viewing spanking as truly necessary to deal with those types of problems. Thus, to whatever extent respondents draw a distinction between useful and necessary, the question as worded could easily result in answers that under-represent the percentage who view spanking as useful. 2) The words "a child" could, at least potentially, be interpreted in dramatically different ways. People might interpret the question in terms of "every child," in which case the existence of a handful of children for whom spanking is not necessary would make the answer that spanking is not necessary even if they consider spanking necessary for most children. They might interpret it in terms of "some such children exist," in which case the existence of a handful of children for whom spanking is necessary would make the answer yes even if they do not consider spanking necessary for most children. They might picture what they think of as an "average" or "typical" child, ignoring both extremes. Or they might focus on their own children, or on themselves in children, in which case personalities of particular children (among other family-specific factors) would affect their responses. It would be better if the question were worded in a way that left less potential for different interpretations, or perhaps even if the question were asked in a way that tried to capture nuances such as whether a person believes that spanking would be necessary or beneficial for all, most, many, some, a few, or no children. (If I were doing it, I would likely split the question into two all/most/. format questions, one using "beneficial" and a second using "necessary.") 3) The words "good hard" in the first question seem a bit loaded and prejudicial - or as if they are based on a particular stereotype that not everyone who supports spanking agrees with. Consider the situation of an adult who grew up getting "good hard spankings" consisting of ten or twenty hard licks with some kind of implement, possibly leaving welts or bruises at times, and who thinks spankings can sometimes be necessary or useful but doesn't think spankings need to be nearly as hard as what he or she got. It seems entirely plausible that there are people who consider "moderate" spankings useful or perhaps even necessary in some situations but who view what they think of as "good hard" ones as excessive. (My own view is that how appropriate or inappropriate a "good hard" spanking is depends on the seriousness of a child's misbehavior. Spanking a ten-year-old hard for shoplifting is one thing, but spanking a five-year-old hard for "being careless" and spilling a glass of milk is something else entirely.) I would also note that this survey, like every other piece of research I remember seeing on the subject of spanking (not that I've seen anywhere near all of it), explores only the number of actual spankings given, not the degree to which the threat or recognized possibility of spankings exists. In my case, around the time I was 13, I was still very definitely regarded as eligible for spankings. But because I generally tried to behave well enough to stay out of trouble (partly because I didn't want to be punished and partly for other reasons), and because my parents did not expect perfection, actual spankings were extremely rare by the time I reached that age. Thus, the influence of spanking's role in my family was completely out of proportion to my best guess at how many spankings I actually got. Surveys such as this one completely miss the possibility that the threat or recognized possibility of spanking can play a major role in parents' disciplinary strategies in families where actual spankings are rare. |
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