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Old April 10th 04, 10:08 PM
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Subjective diagnosis

ADHD takes several steps to identify

The Arizona Republic
Apr. 7, 2004 12:00 AM

Parents with children who have been diagnosed with attention-deficit
hyperactivity disorder should demand a rigorous medical evaluation and
not rely simply on a quick diagnosis or teacher recommendation.

"The diagnosis is subjective, so you have to be careful," pediatric
specialist Dr. Raun Melmed said, adding that doctors usually make a
diagnosis by taking a detailed history. "There are no quick and fancy
tools to do this."

Melmed urges parents to be wary if a doctor sees the child for 15
minutes and then writes a prescription.

Doctors should be following ADHD evaluation guidelines set up by the
American Academy of Pediatrics, he said, which include testing for
other disorders and evaluation forms for parents and the child's
teacher.

He said parents should follow their gut feelings about their child.
Melmed said parents should seek a second opinion if:


• Their child was diagnosed after a brief office visit. An initial
evaluation should take between 30 and 45 minutes.


• Their child was not checked for other problems or disorders, such as
learning disabilities, vision or hearing problems or other medical
conditions.


• Their child's teacher wasn't asked to fill out a
behavioral-evaluation form.


• They still have concerns regarding their child's diagnosis.

Valley pediatrician Gary Auxier said an initial ADHD-evaluation
appointment at his office takes about 45 minutes. He then gives the
parents and the child's teacher a questionnaire to fill out.

"If you haven't had a teacher fill out a behavior rating scale, the
diagnosis may be (reason to be) circumspect," he said. "We often get
the most accurate information from the teacher because they are not as
emotionally involved as the parent."

Teacher perspective also is important to rule out a diagnosis of ADHD,
Auxier said. ADHD is characterized by behavioral problems in all
settings, not just school or home.

"If they are perfect little angels at home but terrors at school, it
may be a school problem," Auxier said. "On the other hand, if they are
perfect at school and wild at home, it could be bad parenting or
problems within the home."

Although teacher input is helpful, doctors caution that school
personnel should not take on the role of diagnosing or pressuring
parents to medicate their kids. In fact, state lawmakers are
considering a bill that would prohibit teachers and school personnel
from pressuring parents to obtain an ADHD diagnosis so their children
can be treated with drugs.

Members of the national group Parents for Label and Drug Free
Education urge parents to ignore a diagnosis of ADHD. They say the
disorder doesn't exist and that children with symptoms are suffering
from something else.

"There are underlying causes of a child's behavioral problems," said
Rebecca Noble, vice president for the Arizona chapter of the
organization. "The child could simply not like his teacher or the kid
sitting next to him. He could have nutritional deficiencies or food
allergies or environmental allergies or problems at home."


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Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...7edadhd07.html
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"For a disease to exist there must be a tangible, objective physical
abnormality that can be determined by a test such as, but not limited
to, blood or urine test, X-Ray, brain scan or biopsy. All reputable
doctors would agree: No physical abnormality, no disease. In
psychiatry, no test or brain scan exists to prove that a 'mental
disorder' is a physical disease. Disingenuous comparisons between
physical and mental illness and medicine are simply part of
psychiatry's orchestrated but fraudulent public relations and
marketing campaign." ~Dr. Fred Baughman, Neurologist.

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Old April 11th 04, 02:05 AM
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It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial
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Hello ..... ?
The poster's not making any money out of it.
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The source is quoted in the post.
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It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial
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disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this newsgroup did NOT
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PUH-leeese!You expect honesty from someone in league with the Kriminal Kult
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It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a

substantial
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disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this newsgroup did NOT
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did not send it to individuals who requested it, but to a public forum.



Hello ..... ?
The poster's not making any money out of it.
In fact, he's doing the author a favour by increasing its readership for
free.
The source is quoted in the post.
What makes you think the author would have an issue with having it posted
for free and with a reference ?
Your attitude is bizarrely anal, to say the least !
Unbelievable !


Actually, the attitude is right on. Whether one makes money out of it or not
is not the issue. The OP clearly violated Fair Use, and this reflects on the
character and ethics of the OP. BTW, the OP is a long time re-poster of this
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a

substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission. A
disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this newsgroup did

NOT
request that information, the rest of your statement is nonsense too.

You
did not send it to individuals who requested it, but to a public

forum.


Hello ..... ?
The poster's not making any money out of it.
In fact, he's doing the author a favour by increasing its readership for
free.
The source is quoted in the post.
What makes you think the author would have an issue with having it

posted
for free and with a reference ?
Your attitude is bizarrely anal, to say the least !
Unbelievable !


Actually, the attitude is right on. Whether one makes money out of it or

not
is not the issue. The OP clearly violated Fair Use,



More bizarreness.
How is it unfair to ANYONE ?
Maybe I'm just a lame-brain, but I'm having severe trouble seeing exactly
who the loser in all this might be.


and this reflects on the
character and ethics of the OP. BTW, the OP is a long time re-poster of

this
type of material and is mindlessly anti-psychaitry.





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Old April 11th 04, 05:38 PM
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are
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provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with

Title
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copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that

go
beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright
owner.


It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a

substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission.

A
disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this newsgroup did

NOT
request that information, the rest of your statement is nonsense

too.
You
did not send it to individuals who requested it, but to a public

forum.


Hello ..... ?
The poster's not making any money out of it.
In fact, he's doing the author a favour by increasing its readership

for
free.
The source is quoted in the post.
What makes you think the author would have an issue with having it

posted
for free and with a reference ?
Your attitude is bizarrely anal, to say the least !
Unbelievable !


Actually, the attitude is right on. Whether one makes money out of it or

not
is not the issue. The OP clearly violated Fair Use,



More bizarreness.


Only in your "mind."

How is it unfair to ANYONE ?


Strawman. Who said it was unfair?

Maybe I'm just a lame-brain, but I'm having severe trouble seeing exactly
who the loser in all this might be.


You stopped reading my excellently written message too soon. I clearly
pointed out who the first loser is. You can read the rest below.

The first loser in this is the OP, since s/h/its credibility went down the
crapper for violating fair use. If they cannot be honest in such simple
things, then can they be honest in anything? I say not.

and this reflects on the
character and ethics of the OP. BTW, the OP is a long time re-poster of

this
type of material and is mindlessly anti-psychaitry.




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Old April 11th 04, 06:39 PM
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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"Psi" wrote in message
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FAIR USE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of

which
has
not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner.

We
are
making such material available in our efforts to advance

understanding
of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democratic,
scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this
constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as

provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with

Title
17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed
without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational
purposes. For more information, click here. If you wish to use
copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own

that
go
beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright
owner.


It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a
substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission.

A
disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this newsgroup

did
NOT
request that information, the rest of your statement is nonsense

too.
You
did not send it to individuals who requested it, but to a public

forum.


Hello ..... ?
The poster's not making any money out of it.
In fact, he's doing the author a favour by increasing its readership

for
free.
The source is quoted in the post.
What makes you think the author would have an issue with having it

posted
for free and with a reference ?
Your attitude is bizarrely anal, to say the least !
Unbelievable !

Actually, the attitude is right on. Whether one makes money out of it

or
not
is not the issue. The OP clearly violated Fair Use,



More bizarreness.


Only in your "mind."

How is it unfair to ANYONE ?


Strawman. Who said it was unfair?



Why did you raise violation of fair use ?
I'm sorry, but you're just too out there to be normal.



Maybe I'm just a lame-brain, but I'm having severe trouble seeing

exactly
who the loser in all this might be.


You stopped reading my excellently written message too soon. I clearly
pointed out who the first loser is. You can read the rest below.

The first loser in this is the OP, since s/h/its credibility went down the
crapper for violating fair use. If they cannot be honest in such simple
things, then can they be honest in anything? I say not.

and this reflects on the
character and ethics of the OP. BTW, the OP is a long time re-poster

of
this
type of material and is mindlessly anti-psychaitry.






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Old April 11th 04, 08:41 PM
Roger Schlafly
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote
The first loser in this is the OP, since s/h/its credibility went down the
crapper for violating fair use.


No, it might very well be fair use. Has the copyright owner
complained? If the owner doesn't complain, then why should you?



 




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