Who has the ultimate right to choose?

"Beverly" wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:48:14 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Beverly" wrote in message
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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:09:31 GMT, "Kenneth S."
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But so long as women made unilateral choices, they should bear
the sole responsibility for their own choices.

I agree with the statement as written; however, just because a woman
CAN make a choice to abort while a man cannot does not necessarily
make it a unilateral choice. Children born within a marriage are
often a choice made by both,

I sense a SLIGHT contradiction in the above statements.

although not always. Conversely,
children born out of wedlock may be a choice made by both parents,

Contradiction repeated.

but
I would strongly advise any woman in this situation to make her own
decisions based upon her own circumstances.

They ALWAYS make their own decision.

I needed my husband's signature for a tubal ligation. I am under the
understanding that I would have needed his signature for an abortion
as well.




My eldest's father wanted me to abort. We were not married. I made
my decision to keep my baby and took sole responsibility for my
decision. I never asked his father for anything.

My younger two children were a product of my marriage to my ex
husband. We made the decision together to have children before they
were conceived.

There's that pesky contradiction again, unless such "children" exist at
the
time of conception.

You don't believe that couples plan for children and work together at
getting the woman pregnant to achieve this goal?

That is kind of strange, isn't it? I know that my husband and I planned for
our 2 children, and made sure there were no more than the 2, which we knew
we could afford. (Except that another child popped up from the past and
gets more of his paycheck than our 2 get, by court order. That kind of put
a crimp in things)

"Robert" wrote in

The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition.

Thank you Comrade Robert and the people like you for making your personal
opinion into law.

It is my opinion that state representatives who waste our hard earned tax
money should be put into slave labor conditions too, lets get all the
comrades together and pass it into law.

"Robert" wrote in message
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.

"teachrmama" wrote in

Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


Many who are 35 and older and should know better too!

"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0700, "teachrmama"
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"Gini" wrote in message
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"elizabeth" wrote
On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
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Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless
asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

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Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.

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G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman?
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.......................... no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

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And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women
who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

And more research . . ..
Intraoperative complications such as:

Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem
during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a
rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures.

Blood transfusions

A life-threatening event

Death

Postoperative complications include those that occur
intraoperatively,
as well as:

Febrile morbidity

Rehospitalization

Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your
tubal
ligation surgery.
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You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are
extremely
rare)
do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite
entertaining
tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....?

With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want
children,
maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely
chastity is still a choice!



Chastity is indeed a choice. But not widely popular, taking your self
out for movie, dinner and dancing. Course there are always other
women.

Surely you are not saying that letting a man screw you is the price of
dinner and a movie. Eeeeew! What kind of scummy crowd do you run with?

In my younger days I found there were women who would come right out and
tell you they would "make it worth your time" if you'd come over for dinner,
or a glass of wine, or whatever. I had one knock on my door unexpectedly
and tell me she came over to "give herself to me." Why would any man want
to pay for a dinner and a movie when you don't have to?

Men learn quickly what kinds of women to tell "No thanks" to when they offer
up their bodies for free. Those women can't handle it when a man turns them
down. I've had women tell me I was gay because I wouldn't take what they
were giving away. :-)

But seriously, my point is men have the right to choose who they have sex
with and who they don't have sex with and staying away from the easy lays is
a good strategy for men to protect themselves from lots of problems.

Robert wrote:
"teachrmama"

Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very serious
complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!!

Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped.

The classic anti-choice anti-abortion argument.

--
Ray Fischer

Chris wrote:
"Beverly" wrote in message
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:09:31 GMT, "Kenneth S."
wrote:

But so long as women made unilateral choices, they should bear
the sole responsibility for their own choices.

I agree with the statement as written; however, just because a woman
CAN make a choice to abort while a man cannot does not necessarily
make it a unilateral choice. Children born within a marriage are
often a choice made by both,

I sense a SLIGHT contradiction in the above statements.

I sense an idiot who isn't smart enough to argue a point.

--
Ray Fischer

"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:56:02 -0700, "teachrmama"
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"elizabeth" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:

And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

OK, we're using Gina Knows Proof. The only cases that matter are the
women Gina Knows.

I know of women who have died and have had very, very serious
complications from pills and IUDs.

Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very serious
complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!!

Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.


Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


No, YOU're the one who're the fool because you think that women are only
responsible for pregnancies, not men.

Guess what? Either you flunked the Sex Education classes or you just don't
give a damn about women.

If there are no men, then there will be no unwanted pregnancies.

Get your head out of the sand and wake up.

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"teachrmama" wrote in

Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


Many who are 35 and older and should know better too!

Make that a second stupid man who thinks that women can get pregnant by
themselves. Men are in it too and to say that men are not responsible for
pregnancies are like saying that Moon are made of blue cheese.

Snap out of it! Men and women are both equally responsible for this!

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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"Robert" wrote in message
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be
held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.



Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants to
do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision without
"the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure you
wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?