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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
Banty wrote:
So all the OP has to do is say "no deal". Which he did. Now as to what the actual problem is......???? That was my take on it to. The kid asked for what he wanted. The OP didn't want to pay that much. End of story. I don't see where the kid did anything wrong. Why the bitching? Stan McCann stan at sure cann dot com or stan at nmsua dot nmsu dot edu |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:42:30 -0500, Nan wrote:
Probably 17 years ago my mom would have the newspaper boy mow her lawn. It was a fairly large back yard, but a tiny front yard. We supplied the mower and the gasoline. She paid him $15. My son used to shovel sidewalks 10 years ago, and got paid around $10-$15 per, back then. Funny how people seem to think $10 is a windfall for something the going rate is likely much higher for currently. Everyone remembers what the going rate was when they were young and they expect it to be the same. -- Brandon Sommerville remove ".gov" to e-mail Definition of "Lottery": Millions of stupid people contributing to make one stupid person look smart. |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
In article , Nan says...
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:27:41 GMT, dragonlady wrote: Not always. Many years ago, I was a much in demand babysitter. I sat for a new family in the neighborhood without stating a price up front, and was stunned to get paid about 1/3 of the going rate. When that neighbor called again, I told her my normal hourly rate (actually, since she had 6 kids who were, um, challenging, the price I quoted was about twice my normal hourly rate), and she told me that she would only pay what she'd paid before, so I turned the job down. She called my mother to complain that I was a lazy, spoiled teenager who was turning down legitimate work! Fortunately, Mom knew what was going on, and told her that I didn't need to work for pitifully low wages -- if she wanted me, she'd have to pay what I was worth. I think my cousins got $5 per sidewalk when they were doing it about 40 years ago; they invested in a snow blower, so they could take on more clients, and did very well. I no longer live where snow happens, but I'm guessing the "going rate" for shoveling is WELL above $10! Probably 17 years ago my mom would have the newspaper boy mow her lawn. It was a fairly large back yard, but a tiny front yard. We supplied the mower and the gasoline. She paid him $15. My son used to shovel sidewalks 10 years ago, and got paid around $10-$15 per, back then. Funny how people seem to think $10 is a windfall for something the going rate is likely much higher for currently. Nan On the other hand, I used to hire a couple of young babysitters (10 year old kids who live on my block) to watch my son for an hour or two, provided that their parents were in the house too, in case of emergencies (this being understood with the parents). When the father of one found that I paid a 22 year old babysitter, who sometimes does overnights, more than his 10 year old, he got mad and sent his son for 'the difference'. I sent him back. Dad called. I told his Dad that, by design of the babysitting job, his boy takes on considerably less responsibility than the 22 year old - I'm not relying on the 10 year old for responsible action in emergencies; he's not on tap to feed my son; he doesn't have to get him ready for school. So, that was the end of his son babysitting. IOW, "no deal". Banty |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
"Jon Walters" wrote in message ... Paul wrote: Paul First of all -- the kids of this generation are spoiled and "do no wrong" in the eyes of their parents. They are right and you are wrong .... Really? Then you must live among some pretty horrible families. The teens *I* know are very respectful, shovel driveways for their neighbours for 10.00 (which, in Canadian dollars is less than your 10.00) or for free. We insisted that our son shovel our elderly neighbour's drive for free (and he would have) but the neighbour insisted on paying him. So he does, regardless of how heavy or deep the snow. The kids I know go to school, earn generally good grades, do volunteer work and are generally a very pleasant bunch to be around. especially when a 13 year old wanted $40 to shovel the snow from my sidewalk recently. I told the kid I'll give him $10 and he walked away. Good. I'll wait until it melts before I pay that much. And that's a problem? He offered you a price. You didn't like it. What's that got to do with spoiled? You both had the option of agreeing to the deal. You didn't like his price, he didn't like yours. Doesn't business work like that? Marijke, in Montreal who knows many more "good" teens than "bad" ones. |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
"Banty" wrote in message ... On the other hand, I used to hire a couple of young babysitters (10 year old kids who live on my block) to watch my son for an hour or two, provided that their parents were in the house too, in case of emergencies (this being understood with the parents). So how much do you pay their parents to be "on call"? When the father of one found that I paid a 22 year old babysitter, who sometimes does overnights, more than his 10 year old, he got mad and sent his son for 'the difference'. I sent him back. Dad called. I told his Dad that, by design of the babysitting job, his boy takes on considerably less responsibility than the 22 year old - I'm not relying on the 10 year old for responsible action in emergencies; It sounds like you are relying on his parents to be responsible for action in emergencies. he's not on tap to feed my son; he doesn't have to get him ready for school. So, that was the end of his son babysitting. IOW, "no deal". I offered to be backup when my daughter was younger and was babysitting friends. However, I would have also been willing to babysit the kids at my house for free instead. Sure, grown-ups get paid more, but in the case of the 10 year olds, you did hire grown-ups. If I were you I would look hard at the responsibility thing. If you are paying less because they aren't feeding him, dressing him, or driving him places that's one thing. If you aren't paying the babysitter as much because they have to depend on their own parents to backup, then you should also be paying the back up. If you are paying less because they are watching the kids while you are busy, but on the premises then that sounds legit. Banty |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
On 8 Jan 2004 10:37:49 -0800, Banty wrote:
On the other hand, I used to hire a couple of young babysitters (10 year old kids who live on my block) to watch my son for an hour or two, provided that their parents were in the house too, in case of emergencies (this being understood with the parents). When the father of one found that I paid a 22 year old babysitter, who sometimes does overnights, more than his 10 year old, he got mad and sent his son for 'the difference'. I sent him back. Dad called. I told his Dad that, by design of the babysitting job, his boy takes on considerably less responsibility than the 22 year old - I'm not relying on the 10 year old for responsible action in emergencies; he's not on tap to feed my son; he doesn't have to get him ready for school. So, that was the end of his son babysitting. IOW, "no deal". It sounds like you are relying on the 10 yr old to get their parents in an emergency, which would be pretty responsible. The dad didn't have any right to request more money for past work as it was paid at the negotiated rate, but he did have the right (and probably the obligation) to ask that the future rate be the rate of the 22 yr old since that was what you were willing to pay for hourly services of equivalent responsibility (safety of your child and all). Essentially the parents are responsible for your child and simply delegating the actual watching to their children. -- Brandon Sommerville remove ".gov" to e-mail Definition of "Lottery": Millions of stupid people contributing to make one stupid person look smart. |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
In article , Cathy Weeks wrote:
minimum of driveway and a path to the door (only about 5 feet of path). This is actually a very small area (our front door is RIGHT by our driveway, and our house is VERY close to the road). The job took hours (4 or so). If I could have paid someone $25 per hour I would have HAPPILY paid the $100 (or perhaps more). I was stiff and sore for days after that job. As I have learned in chicago blizzards is to go out in the snow as it's falling and shovel low depths often. The last one we had in 99 (I think) I went out and shoveled every couple-three hours. Annoying yes, but I didn't have my cars burried like the neighbors did. It's just easier to take care of it in small bites. |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
"Jon Walters" wrote: First of all -- the kids of this generation are spoiled and "do no wrong" in the eyes of their parents. Second of all, that's a baseless generalization. Oh, there are a few examples. But that's supposed to apply to the hundred million or so in the generation? They are right and you are wrong .... especially when a 13 year old wanted $40 to shovel the snow from my sidewalk recently. I told the kid I'll give him $10 and he walked away. As opposed to... what? Going along with whatever it is that you say? Why on earth should *anyone* do that? About 7-8 teens (12-15) received these motor cycles/scooters this Christmas and they ride (speed) up and down the street and don't even use helmets! The law here requires helmets for bicycles so you'd think the parents would demand they wear them .... but they (kids) always get "their way" but this will change when one of them is seriously hurt! They even ride through this neighborhood at night with no lights attached to their motor cycles. Where are the parents? Beats me. Your the one who lives in that neighborhood. You figure it out. P. Tierney |
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Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again
"Jon Walters" wrote in message ... First of all -- the kids of this generation are spoiled and "do no wrong" in the eyes of their parents. They are right and you are wrong .... especially when a 13 year old wanted $40 to shovel the snow from my sidewalk recently. I told the kid I'll give him $10 and he walked away. Good. I'll wait until it melts before I pay that much. I'm not going to get too deep in to this part of the discussion being as I live in a area where if it does snow, you don't bother shoveling the drive way as you will have to wait untill the snow melts in the street anyway, but the fact that he walked away from the job you offered means that he apparently had other jobs lined up and/or regular clients who are willing to pay his rate. If business were slow or he had competition, he would have taken your offer. About 7-8 teens (12-15) received these motor cycles/scooters this Christmas and they ride (speed) up and down the street and don't even use helmets! The law here requires helmets for bicycles so you'd think the parents would demand they wear them .... but they (kids) always get "their way" but this will change when one of them is seriously hurt! They even ride through this neighborhood at night with no lights attached to their motor cycles. Where are the parents? I don't know where their parents are, but if one of these kids strikes my vehicle while illegally and recklessly operating one of these scooters, they can bet their a*s that their parents will get a huge car repair bill from me - attached to a lawsuit if necessary. Also, many of the kids I am referring to from my original post appear to be quite a bit younger than 12 years of age - from the news article the first kid mentioned was a 10 YO, the second one was 9 YO. Both of whom disregarded the traffic laws and got a 3000 lb lesson in the laws of physics. BTW, misc.kids and rec.motorcycles ?? Where did these come from?? -- Paul ==HOMICIDE!! SLOWER TRAFFIC THIS SIDE== |
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