August 24 DC Protest - Vaccine-Autism Activists Join In

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Using state by state statistics produced by the Department of
Education, to compare the increase in cases of autism over a
12-year period between 1992-93 and 2003-04, reveals horrendous
results. In Ohio, in 1992-93 there were only 22 cases of autism, in
2003-04 there were 5146 cases. In Illinois, there were only 5 cases
twelve years ago,
while there were 6005 in 2003-04. Mississippi had no cases of
autism 12
years ago, but had 622 in 2003-04. Wisconsin had 18 cases in
1992-93 and 3259 in 2003-04.

You mean diagnoses. Not cases.

Oh?

Proof, Please?

For one to have a case of autism, there also has to be a diagnosis.

Actually, you're wrong there. The DOE statistics report *educational
assessments* of autism as a listed category under the Individuals with
Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). That is to say, determinations that a
child qualifies for special education services based on being considered
autistic. The criteria for an educational assessment of autism vary from
state to state and are *not* identical to the diagnostic criteria for
autism specified in the DSM-IVr. In Oregon, for example, a child having
difficulty in school can qualify based solely on having marked impairment
in social interaction. See http://www.autism-watch.org/general/edu.shtml
for James Laidler's description of the difference.

In general, a formal medical diagnosis of autism would result in a child
receiving an educational assessment of autism if the parents requested
special education services for their child, but the reverse is not
necessarily true. Thus the educational assessment statistics probably
overstate the true rate of autism.

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OPINION snipped.

Get proof.

For the HARD HEADED , it is proven in the article!


Mark is correct. An opinion is stated in the article. Not proof. In no
way is the conjecture that mercury causes autism proved in the
article.

Jeff

Both Mark and you feel free to prove each and every point listed wrong.

Show us you are correct.

http://www.opednews.com


Activist attending the 3 day protest in Washington DC this month have
one thing in common. They want to raise awareness of the fact that the
pharmaceutical industry has knowingly injured Americans with dangerous
products to increase profits and the nation's regulatory agencies have
aided and abetted them.


Since the discovery in recent years of cover-ups by the FDA and drug
makers, involving injuries caused by drugs such as Prozac and Vioxx,
the similar pattern of cover-ups of injuries caused by the nation's
vaccine program should come as no surprise.

Except there has been no cover-up. Suspected injuries are listed in the
VAERS database.

NOT!!!!

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr83001.htm

No comment, Jeff?????


During the 1990s, as the number of vaccines on the Federal
Immunization
Schedule nearly tripled, and vaccination rates soared to nearly 95%
for
five year olds, the number of kids diagnosed with autism and other
neurological disorders skyrocketed.

Yet, that doesn't mean the vaccines cause autism. The price of gas is
skyrocketing, too, but that doesn't mean that vaccines have anything to
do with it.

And it doesn't mean it didn't.

Now, where is YOUR proof???

Sorry but I know of no one who has done a study of the price of gasoline
and autism.

You have NO proof!

And, there is only one commonality in all the injured children - they
received vaccines that contained the mercury-based preservative
thimerosal.

Really? Do they live in an envrionment that is more polluted than ever?
With mercury in fish?

Or in their TEETH!!!!!!

OOOOPSSSSS

Not many kids under 3 have fillings. And vaccines have nothing to do with
fillings.

Who said anything about kids under 3????

NOBODY!!

Do they live in an environment where physicians and other
care-takers are more aware of autism and more likely to make a
diagnosis?

Care takers are making diagnosis?????????????????????????????

yes, pediatricians, family doctors, pediatric nurse practioners.

methinks you are confused.





Vaccines are the only product whose use is mandated in all 50 states,
requiring children to be vaccinated before entering day care
facilities
and schools.

Incorrect. There is a philosophical and religious exemption in many
states. And there is no requirement that kids get vaccinated.

Incorrect!!!!!!!!!

EACH and EVERY child in *MY* daycare centers* had to be vaccinated or my
*centers* did NOT have thier licenses renewed!!!!!

There is no legal requirement that kids go to daycare or school. And there
are religious and philosophical exemptions in many states.

Uh huh and welcome to the real world, Jeff. The *gang* here on MHA would
like to see all parents' who don't vaccinate their kids *burn in hell
forever*


According to a 1999 report by the General Accounting
Office, an estimated 12 million vaccinations are given to children
each
year in the US.

Thank God. That means many illness are prevented and many lives saved
each year.

EXCEPT

Some we would like to forget.

WHY do you suppose we have a National Vaccine Injury Compensation
Program, Jeff?

Because there are a *few* cases of vaccine injuries.

*few*

And, when child get sick after a vaccine juries tend to find for the
defendent regardless of the
facts because drug companies are percieved to have deep pockets.

How very compassionate, Jeff.

This drives that cost of vaccines up. This is a way to provide some
compensation for
sick kids who were really injured by vaccines, while enabling vaccine
companies to be able to continue to make vaccines and save lives. If there
were not this sort of program, many vaccine companies would stop making
them.

So, your ONLY concern if for the *vaccine companies*

Do tell that to these parents!!!!!!!

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/anna.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/richie.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm

May God forgive you!!!!!


During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the
government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal
for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic
of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers
financially responsible for the damage caused by their products.

Let's see. You cliam the government forced vaccination. Why should the
vaccine makers be held accountable? If your claim that the government
forced vacicnations is correct, then shouldn't the government pay?

Simple, it is worded well above.

Read it again.

I did. You claimed that the government "forced vaccination" and "has an
obligation to ... holde the vaccine-makers [sic] financially responsible
for damage caused by their products." This doesn't explain why the
government should pay. In theory, the federal government is required to
pay for mandates that the NCLB requires. why shouldn't the government be
required to pay for damages required by what you claim is a government
mandate?

*I* didn't claim anything. Both the government and the vaccine makers should
be held responsible!!!

The government KNEW. The FDA and CDC have vested interest and it's ALL about
money!!!




The country is in the midst of the worst man-made epidemic in history.
Twenty years ago, autism only affected one in 10,000 children.
However,
the Autism Autoimmunity Project reports that the disorder strikes 1 in
150 (or 1 in 68 families) today.

Yet, you haven't proven that the epidemic is man-made.

Say What?

What have YOU proven?

Where is YOUR proof that this is incorrect?

You are making a claim. you need to back it up.

*I* made no claim.

YOU made a claim. YOU back it up.




In dealing with this epidemic, the first order of business has to be
to
find a way to force the government to ban thimerosal in all vaccines.
Most unsuspecting people do not realize that thimerosal is still
contained in some products, such as flu vaccines.

Yet, thimerasol has never been shown to cause autism or other problems
in the quantities used.

OH,,,,,,,,,now the story is changing to *in the quantities used*

What else would you expect? Would you expect me to say "thimerasol has
never been shown to injure anyone at doses 10,000,000 times greater than
the quantities used?" That would make no sense. The quantities used is the
relevent amount. I don't beleive I have ever claimed otherwise.

You have claimed:

The exact same thing as *organized medicine*

Your words:

*thimerasol when used in vaccines is safe.

The reality of the matter is that the evidence that thimerasol doesn't cause
autism is overwhelming.

I have researched mercury poisoining myself. I don't feel that there is any
good evidence that the thimerasol in vaccines in the quantities used has
caused any harm. And the studies that examined the role of vaccines in
autism has consistantly found that autism is not caused by vaccines.

Yet, there is no evidence that the thimerasol, at the doses used, harmed
anyone.*




*;*


http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm




In addition, even though thimerosal has been removed from most
vaccines
in the US, drug companies are still knowingly injecting thimerosal
into
millions of children all over the world each year. The global market
for vaccines is still a goldmine. For instance, UNICEF, the World
Health Organization's parent body, buys 40% of all vaccines used in
developing countries, and Merck is its sole supplier. Merck makes
Recombivax HB, a Hepatitis B vaccine that contains thimerosal. Eli
Lilly invented thimerosal, and it has licensing agreements with drug
companies in 40 countries that make the product.

These vaccines are saving millions of lives each year.

E V EN T H O U G H thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines
in the US, drug companies are ***S T I L L K N O W I N L Y***
injecting thimerosal into
millions of children all over the world each year

I did not know drug companies inject anything into kids.

Trying to dodge the issue, falling flat on you face, showing your complete
dishonesty.

Uhhhh. Hmmmmm.


The EPA recommends ingesting no more than 0.1 micrograms of mercury,
and the FDA recommends no more than 0.4 micrograms per day for
pregnant
women, nursing mothers, and small children, which amounts to a
recommendation that they eat no more than 12 ounces of tuna per week,
because the EPA says, "mercury consumed by a pregnant or nursing woman
or by a young child can harm the developing brain and nervous system."


Yet the government still recommends that children aged 6 to 23 months
and pregnant women get the flu vaccine with its 25 micrograms of
mercury which amounts to 250 times the safety limit for mercury intake
set by the EPA for fish-eaters.

And the mercury in fish is methylmercury, not ethylmerucry. And the
thimerasol has never been shown to harm anyone in the doses used.

When or when will you ever learn to spell t h i m e r *o*s*a*l?!?!

Now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

HEAR THIS!

A LINK BETWEEN THIMEROSAL AND AUTISM HAS *CLEARLY* BEEN FOUND!!!!!


http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm

In mice. Again, I promise never to inject my mice if they are of the
particular strain affected (if I ever get any) with any vaccines.


Perhaps, you would like to volunteer one of your grandchildren for the next
study??




new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice.

****This animal model, the first to show that the administration of low-dose
ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the
developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers*****. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and
Dawn Greene

Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children diagnosed
with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot account for
this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School, led by Dr. Mady
Hornig,

*****created an animal model to explore the relationship between thimerosal
(ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing that the combination of genetic
susceptibility and environmental exposure to mercury in childhood vaccines
may cause neurotoxicity. ******

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children, with
doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S. boys at
age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice with
thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the behavioral and
neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders, including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating to
environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development of
rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has been
reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig.

*** Because the developing brain can be exposed to toxins that are long gone
by the time symptoms appear, clues gathered in these animal models can then
be evaluated through prospective human birth cohorts--providing a powerful
to tool to dissect the interaction between genes and the environment over
time.****

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United States
of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:


ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse
strain-dependent"

M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032



During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and
adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government
agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative
amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one
doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule.


In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products,
the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and
discovered that the mercury being injected into children through
vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental
Protection Agency.


Professor Lynn Adams, of Radford University, a speech-language
pathologist who specializes in autism, said that in1999, a study
determined that the average child received 33 doses of 10 different
vaccines by the age 5.

Which prevented many illnesses and deaths.

AND CAUSED GOD KNOWS WHAT?!?!?!

WITH ALL THAT MERCURY INJECTED WHICH,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

*****the government agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add
up the cumulative
amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one
doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule.*******

Uhh. Hmmm.


****In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing
products,
the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and
discovered that the mercury being injected into children through
vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental
Protection Agency.*****

That's TEN LONG YEARS, Jeff.

And you wonder, WHY people ae protesting?!?!?!

The guidelines were based on guidelines for methylmercury, which is more
toxic than ethylmercury. And, no one has shown that cuethylmerry is toxic
in the doses used.

OH YES THEY HAVE!!!!!!!


****This animal model, the first to show that the administration of low-dose
ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the
developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers*****.

http://poisonevercure.150m.com/autism.htm

Autistic children are shown to retain abnormally high concentrations of
mercury from environmental sources such as vaccines.


********* (Until recently, the FDA administration concealed their knowledge
that thimerosal has been known to cross through the blood-brain barrier and
concentrate in the brain).***********

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm




By 1999, the FDA definitely knew about the accumulative dangers of
thimerosal to our children. We know this because the staff for Rep Dan
Burton (R-Ill) obtained an internal FDA e-mail written on June 29,
1999, by former FDA scientist Peter Patriarca, that specifically
discussed the dangers when offering a "pros and cons" assessment of a
statement on thimerosal about to be released by the FDA, and listed
the
questions and accusations that would inevitably be lodged against the
FDA after its release. He said people are bound to question:


(1) FDA being `asleep at the switch' for decades, by allowing a
potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood vaccines,
and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new products. (2)
various advisory bodies aggressive recommendations for use. (3) the
dose of ethyl mercury was not generated by `rocket science':
conversion
of the % of thimerosal to actual ug [micrograms] of mercury involves
9th grade algebra. (4) What took the FDA so long to do the
calculations? (5) Why didn't CDC and the advisory bodies do these
calculations while rapidly expanding the childhood immunization
schedule?

Why didn't anyone else? Does the FDA possess the only calculator in the
world?

I'll tell you WHY.

THEY DID!!!!!

It's right there on the website, I gave you. The one you tried to
discredit by trying to trash Dan Burton.

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...ngressacts.htm

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...rnmentknew.htm

Dan Burton doesn't need me to trash him. His comments do it for him.

God Bless Dan Burton!!!!



The fact is that the FDA and CDC knew children were being poisoned and
they kept the information hidden and allowed it to continue. "Because
the FDA chose not to recall thimerosal-containing vaccines in 1999,"
the April 2003, House Committee on Government Reform report concludes,
"in addition to all of those already injured, 8,000 children a day
continued to be placed at risk for overdose for at least an additional
two years."

Because there is no evidence that thimerasol in the doses used harms
anyone.

W R O N G.

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm

Thimerasol is not used in dentistry.

This is NOT about dentisty and when oh when are you ever going to learn to
spell thimerosal?

The Medical Experts Speak Out on the Dangers of Thimerosal and the Possible
Link Between Administration of Multiple Thimerosal Containing Vaccines and
Autism



There's also no doubt that the drug companies knew of the dangers more
than 30 years ago. In 1972, Lilly received an article that confirmed
that thimerosal had caused 6 deaths when too much of it had been used,
which said: "The symptoms and clinical course of the 6 patients
suggests subacute mercury poisoning."

Keywords: When too much of it was used. There have also been deaths when
too much water is used. Does that mean we should stop drinking water?

Stupid skeptic trick.

We are NOT talking about water.

But the analogy is correct. you have to look at doses.

of low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers

http://tinyurl.com/ct3m8

Toxicology. 1975;3(2):171-6. Related Articles, Links


Tissue concentrations of mercury after chronic dosing of squirrel monkeys
with thiomersal.

Blair AMJN, Clark B, Clarke AJ, Wood P.

Squirrel monkeys were dosed intranasally with saline or thiomersal (sodium
ethylmercurithiosalicylate, 0.002 percent w/v) daily for six months. The
total amounts of thiomersal given during the six months period were 418 mug
(low dose group) and 2280 mug (high dose group). This was equivalent to 207
and 1125 mug mercury. The dose differential was achieved by more frequent
administration to the high dose group. Mercury concentrations were
significantly raised over control values in brain (high dose group only),
liver, muscle and kidney, but not in blood. Concentrations were highest in
the kidney, moderate in liver and lowest in brain and muscle. Much of the
mercury was present in the inorganic form (37-91 percent). No evidence of
toxicity due to thiomersal was seen in any animal. Nevertheless accumulation
of mercury from chronic use of thiomersal-preserved medicines is viewed as a
potential health hazard for man.

PMID: 804725 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://tinyurl.com/9snsz

Second, the EPA equation, which uses data of fetal toxicity from 81
mother/infant pairs poisoned by methylmercury in seed grain, is based on
factors which would result in a lower relative risk than those involved in
an infant vaccine exposure scenario. Higher risk factors include bolus doses
vs chronic daily doses, injected vs ingested delivery, ethylmercury toxicity
vs methylmercury toxicity, direct exposure to the infant vs indirect to the
fetus through the mother, lack of adequate excretion by infants resulting in
high brain mercury accumulation vs adequate maternal excretion and
relatively low brain acummulations in mother and fetus, more rapid
metabolism in infants resulting in greater conversion of ethylmercury to its
toxic inorganic form vs slower metabolism in the mothers, and the
involvement of mercury sensitive individuals rather than the average person.
Third, the population distribution for mercury sensitivity, like that
for nearly all toxins, is log normal; thus, statistically, a small
percentage of the exposed population, if large enough, will be impaired at
the lowest doses. The fact that some small percentage will be impaired at a
very low dose is not just theoretical. It has been found true for certain
strains of mice and rats, and it was also true for the form of mercury
poisoning called acrodynia, which impaired approximately 1 in 500 children
early in this century even at low doses. Clarkson describes acrodynia as
being independent of dose and arising more from age and individual
sensitivity.
And finally, the risk assessment for vaccines does not take into
consideration that infants may receive mercury from maternal sources,
including maternal dental fillings and Rhogam shots which Rh negative women
receive multiple times during pregnancy, each of which contains 30
micrograms of ethylmercury.

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...evelopment.htm

Want more, Jeff?

Web Results 11 - 20 of about 553 for low-dose ethylmercury. (0.12
seconds)






In an October 12, 1979 memo, Merck scientists discussed the "potential
problem" of having mercury in its flu and meningococcal vaccines, as
well as the Hepatitis B vaccine that was under development and asked:
"Should a program of replacement be initiated now to guard against any
spontaneous rally to avoid its (thimerosal) use in injectables?"


Last fall, the LA Times released a 1991 internal memo from Merck, that
proves the company knew back then that the overuse of mercury in
vaccines posed a dangerous health threat to children. The memo noted
that 6-month-old children who received their shots on schedule would
get a mercury dose up to 87 times higher than guidelines for the
maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish.

Yet, the form of mercury in fish is different than that in vaccines.

http://www.mercuryexposure.org/index.php?article_id=251

Mercury is found in the environment in three basic states: elemental
mercury or mercury vapor, inorganic mercury, and organic mercury (ethyl-,
methyl-, alkyl-, or phenylmercury). Each form has an individual
toxicological profile and metabolic fate.

Correct. Except that organic mercury is not *one* form. There are
literally thousands of different organic mercury compounds, each of which
is different.

Three *basic states*

Each form has an individual ****toxicological profile and metabolic
fate*****

What more do you need to know??

Toxicity of ethylmercury even in low doses is clearly list above.




Using state by state statistics produced by the Department of
Education, to compare the increase in cases of autism over a 12-year
period between 1992-93 and 2003-04, reveals horrendous results. In
Ohio, in 1992-93 there were only 22 cases of autism, in 2003-04 there
were 5146 cases. In Illinois, there were only 5 cases twelve years
ago,
while there were 6005 in 2003-04. Mississippi had no cases of autism
12
years ago, but had 622 in 2003-04. Wisconsin had 18 cases in 1992-93
and 3259 in 2003-04.

You mean diagnoses. Not cases.

Oh?

Proof, Please?

For one to have a case of autism, there also has to be a diagnosis.

Big newsflash.

Now, proof, please?

They are different. Now that we are able to
diagnose autism, we are able to give kids the help they need.

A bit late.

During the late 1980s and 1990s, while approving new vaccines and
adding them to the childhood immunization schedule, the government
agencies responsible for drug safety, failed to add up the cumulative
amounts of mercury that a child would receive in shots during one
doctor visit, or over the course of the full vaccine schedule.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

In 1999, while conducting a review of all mercury containing products,
the regulatory agencies finally got around to looking at vaccines and
discovered that the mercury being injected into children through
vaccines vastly exceeded the guidelines set by the Environmental
Protection Agency.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW, we are able to help them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Dear God in heaven!!!!!!!!!



We are on the verge of the biggest welfare disaster that his country
has ever seen. Eighty percent of the autistic children in the US are
under the age of 17. In a few short years, the states will be forced
to
provide support for an overwhelming number of disabled adults. "The
costs will be in the trillions," according to Ann Dachel, a special
education teacher and the mother of a boy with autism and a daughter
who developed epilepsy after receiving a Hepatitis B vaccine.


On February 15, 2005, the GAO, released a report titled, "Special
Education Children With Autism," that revealed that the number of
children ages 6 through 21 diagnosed with autism who receiving special
ed services has increased by more than 500% over the past 10 years,
from under 20,000 in 1993 to almost 120,000 in 2002.


The cost of educating this number of autistic kids will be enormous.
The Department of Education spends about $53 billion a year on K-12
education. If it provides $60,000 per year to educate each of the
currently identified school-age autistic children nationwide, the
price
tag will be over $7 billion a year, or about 13% of the Department's
entire budget. And by the end of each year, the cost will be even
higher due to the increased number of autistic kids entering the
system
each year.


In the absence of a cure and drug company accountability, local tax
payers will be forced to carry the life-long load of educating and
caring for a generation of injured people and state and local taxes
will go through the roof.


The CDC and FDA policy decisions regarding vaccine approval and safety
recommendations are made through physician advisory panels whose
members often have financial relationships with the very same drug
companies that they are supposed to regulate.

Yet you cannot show me any cases where their supposed ties to the drug
companies resulted in any changes in how they vote.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unreal.

I give up.

I don't blame you. You have no evidence to back your claim.

You are simply, unreal. There is evidence all over the place!!!!!


LOL!








For example, during a congressional hearing on potential conflicts of
interests at the FDA, it was revealed that 60% of the advisory board
members who voted to approve the poisonous rotavirus vaccine had
financial ties to the drug companies manufacturing the vaccine. The
committee also discovered that half of the CDC members had ties to the
rotavirus makers.

Did the other 40% of members vote for or against the vaccines?

Jeff

Oh, my, first one cannot show Jeff, any cases where their supposed ties
to the drug
companies resulted in any changes in how they vote.

Supposed ties.

NOT supposed!!!!!!


Now, he wants to know if the other 40% of members vote for or against the
vaccines?

Actually, they voted for the continued health of kids.

Unreal.

John has had it posted for years

http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html

Just a samll example.

( In conclusion, Jeff is a VERY VERY Dishonest person!)

http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings...5/opening_stat...


Opening Statement


Chairman Dan Burton


Committee on Government Reform


"FACA: Conflicts of Interest and Vaccine Development:


Preserving the Integrity of the Process"


Thursday, June 15, 2000


1:00 pm


2154 Rayburn House Office Building


Washington, DC 20515


Today, we are going to continue our series of hearings on vaccine policy.
For
the last few months, we've been focusing on two important advisory
committees. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) rely on these advisory committees to
help
them make vaccine policies that affect every child in this country. We've
looked very carefully at conflicts of interest. We've taken a good hard
look
at whether the pharmaceutical industry has too much influence over these
committees. From the evidence we found, I think they do.


The first committee is the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products
Advisory Committee (VRBPAC). This Committee makes recommendations on
whether
new vaccines should be licensed. The second committee is the CDC's Advisory
Committee on Immunizations Practices (ACIP). This committee recommends
which
vaccines should be included on the Childhood Immunization Schedule.


To make these issues easier to understand, we're going to focus on one issue
handled by these two committees - the Rotavirus vaccine. It was approved
for
use by the FDA in August 1998. It was recommended for universal use by the
CDC
in March 1999. Serious problems cropped up shortly after it was introduced.
Children started developing serious bowel obstructions. The vaccine was
pulled
from the U.S. market in October 1999.


So the question is, was there evidence to indicate that the vaccine was not
safe and if so, why was it licensed in the first place? How good a job did
the
advisory committees do? We've reviewed the minutes of the meetings. At the
FDA's committee, there were discussions about adverse events. They were
aware of potential problems. Five children out of 10,000 developed bowel
obstructions. There were also concerns about children failing to thrive and
developing high fevers, which as we know from other vaccine hearings, can
lead
to brain injury. Even with all of these concerns, the committee voted
unanimously to approve it.


At the CDC's committee, there was a lot of discussion about whether the
benefits of the vaccine really justified the costs. Even though the
cost-benefit ratio was questioned, the Committee voted unanimously to
approve
it.


Were they vigilant enough? Were they influenced by the pharmaceutical
industry? Was there appropriate balance of expertise and perspectives on
vaccine issues? We've been reviewing their financial disclosure statements.
We've interviewed staff from the FDA and the CDC. The staff has prepared a
staff report summarizing what we've found. At the end of my statement,
I'll ask unanimous consent to enter this report into the record. We've
identified a number of problems that need to be brought to light and
discussed.


Families need to have confidence that the vaccines that their children take
are
safe, effective, and truly necessary. Doctors need to feel confident that
when
the FDA licenses a drug, that it is really safe, and that the pharmaceutical
industry has not influenced the decision-making process. Doctors place
trust
in the FDA and assume that if the FDA has licensed a drug, it's safe to use.
Has that trust been violated?


How confident in the safety and need for specific vaccines would doctors and
parents be if they learned the following:


1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC
advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies
that
make vaccines.


2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents
for
vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee.


3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's
advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of
interest that were waived.


4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory
committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the
vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members
who
all voted to license the product.


5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every
member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full
participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member,
whether
they have a financial stake in the decision or not.


6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members
- no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the
childhood
immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member.


These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this
include:


Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and
became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee
as
well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines,
valued
at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr.
Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on
eight
different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including
recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children
program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest
himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock.


At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he
holds
a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to
develop
this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical
industry
to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr.
Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three
rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the
rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program.


Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory
committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full
waiver.


Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on
behalf
of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's
committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including
having
solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center.
As
a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the
opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts
to
be offering his personal opinion as well.


Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000
of
stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the
board
of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of
stock.
This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was
granted.
To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because
he
holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine.


How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work
of
the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind
closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full
committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same
issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled
to
learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the
working
group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical
companies
developing rotavirus vaccines.


How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug
Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory
committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines?


How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the
number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers
must
be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of
vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving
simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years.
We
found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually
on
the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can
one
person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years?


It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services
has
become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on
conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose,
we
need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be
held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine
what needs to be done.


Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a
government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State
governments
have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to
admission
to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the
recommendations
of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines.


I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of
industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine
learned
that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial
ties
to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most
stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent
editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the
industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers
can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and
remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the
part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This
attitude
can subtly influence scientific judgment."


Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to
self-interest than other people?


Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of
vaccine
development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and
Human
Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity
of
this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally
without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all
vaccine-related panels.


No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding
vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the
discussion
or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings
that
vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have
made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule
had
as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has
been
polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if
the
individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in
this
country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally
from
the decisions of the committees they served on.


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to
submit a statement into the hearing record.


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Bless.

*;*

Hi. I don't know anything about this set-to between Rich & Jan; I do not
know who you are and have not followed your debate.

However, Rich, I did notice that you said "Aloha" at the end of your post.
Aloha means "I see the life force in your earthly form" or pretty close
to that. I know I'm not perfect, either, but it is not a suitable
closing, considering the overall tone of your message.

It's not like "Bye!". You don't say, "What an asshole you are!" and then
say "Vaya con Dios". It just isn't done.

"Eric Bohlman" wrote in message
...
"Jeff" wrote in
k.net:


"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
news:sDzOe.58732$084.35262@attbi_s22...
Using state by state statistics produced by the Department of
Education, to compare the increase in cases of autism over a
12-year period between 1992-93 and 2003-04, reveals horrendous
results. In Ohio, in 1992-93 there were only 22 cases of autism, in
2003-04 there were 5146 cases. In Illinois, there were only 5 cases
twelve years ago,
while there were 6005 in 2003-04. Mississippi had no cases of
autism 12
years ago, but had 622 in 2003-04. Wisconsin had 18 cases in
1992-93 and 3259 in 2003-04.

You mean diagnoses. Not cases.

Oh?

Proof, Please?

For one to have a case of autism, there also has to be a diagnosis.

Actually, you're wrong there. The DOE statistics report *educational
assessments* of autism as a listed category under the Individuals with
Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). That is to say, determinations that a
child qualifies for special education services based on being considered
autistic. The criteria for an educational assessment of autism vary from
state to state and are *not* identical to the diagnostic criteria for
autism specified in the DSM-IVr. In Oregon, for example, a child having
difficulty in school can qualify based solely on having marked impairment
in social interaction. See http://www.autism-watch.org/general/edu.shtml
for James Laidler's description of the difference.

In general, a formal medical diagnosis of autism would result in a child
receiving an educational assessment of autism if the parents requested
special education services for their child, but the reverse is not
necessarily true. Thus the educational assessment statistics probably
overstate the true rate of autism.

Thanks for the information. I assumed that the data were for all diagnoses
of autism. This is very helpful to know and understand.

Jeff

"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
news:aIROe.273767$x96.267482@attbi_s72...

(...)

Sorry but I know of no one who has done a study of the price of
gasoline and autism.

You have NO proof!

Are you calling me a liar? I do not know of anyone who has done a study of
the price of gasoline and autism. I don't know why one would.

If you are that interested, you can do a search on pubmed if you like.

And, there is only one commonality in all the injured children - they
received vaccines that contained the mercury-based preservative
thimerosal.

Really? Do they live in an envrionment that is more polluted than ever?
With mercury in fish?

Or in their TEETH!!!!!!

OOOOPSSSSS

Not many kids under 3 have fillings. And vaccines have nothing to do
with fillings.

Who said anything about kids under 3????

It is in kids around 3 years of age that the signs of autism first appear in
most cases (even if a diagnosis is made later).
(...)

And, when child get sick after a vaccine juries tend to find for the
defendent regardless of the
facts because drug companies are percieved to have deep pockets.

How very compassionate, Jeff.

This drives that cost of vaccines up. This is a way to provide some
compensation for
sick kids who were really injured by vaccines, while enabling vaccine
companies to be able to continue to make vaccines and save lives. If
there were not this sort of program, many vaccine companies would stop
making them.

So, your ONLY concern if for the *vaccine companies*

No. My concern is for the kids. As sorry as I am for the kids who have
adverse events after getting vaccines, the vast majority of these events are
coincident. The vaccines have nothing to do with these. If vaccine companies
have to pay for these cases that did not cause, then the vaccine companies
will go out of business for no reason, a lot of kids will have adverse
events that have nothing to do with vaccines, and a lot of kids will die
from chicken pox, measales, mumps, rubella, menigitis, invasive Hib disease
and other vaccine-preventable diseases.

The bottom line is that if only kids who have real vaccine injuries recieve
funds from the vaccine injury funds, then everyone is served. The few kids
who get vaccine injuries get some compensation and vaccine companies are
able to make vaccines without going bankrupt, so many kids won't die or get
sick from vaccine-preventable illnesses.

Unfortunately, a lot of kids who have gotton sick around the time of the
vaccinations for reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine won't get
money from vaccine companies, but their illness has nothing to do with
vaccines in the first place.

Do tell that to these parents!!!!!!!

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/anna.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/richie.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm

May God forgive you!!!!!

As sorry as I feel for these kids and their families, the bottom line is
these are anecdotes. The plural of anecdote is not data.



During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the
government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal
for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic
of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers
financially responsible for the damage caused by their products.

Let's see. You cliam the government forced vaccination. Why should the
vaccine makers be held accountable? If your claim that the government
forced vacicnations is correct, then shouldn't the government pay?

Simple, it is worded well above.

Read it again.

I did. You claimed that the government "forced vaccination" and "has an
obligation to ... holde the vaccine-makers [sic] financially responsible
for damage caused by their products." This doesn't explain why the
government should pay. In theory, the federal government is required to
pay for mandates that the NCLB requires. why shouldn't the government be
required to pay for damages required by what you claim is a government
mandate?

*I* didn't claim anything. Both the government and the vaccine makers
should be held responsible!!!

The government KNEW. The FDA and CDC have vested interest and it's ALL
about money!!!

And so is the parents suing the vaccine companies.

(...)

When you have something intelligent to say, I will respond to you in this
thread. Until then, bye.

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
nk.net...

"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
news:aIROe.273767$x96.267482@attbi_s72...

snip

Sorry but I know of no one who has done a study of the price of
gasoline and autism.

You have NO proof!

Are you calling me a liar?

No, if I had called you a liar, you would have seen the word liar.

What a stupid question.


I do not know of anyone who has done a study of
the price of gasoline and autism. I don't know why one would.

Not an issue.

Gasoline is a diversion.

If you are that interested, you can do a search on pubmed if you like.

Interested in what?

And, there is only one commonality in all the injured children - they
received vaccines that contained the mercury-based preservative
thimerosal.

Really? Do they live in an envrionment that is more polluted than
ever? With mercury in fish?

Or in their TEETH!!!!!!

OOOOPSSSSS

Not many kids under 3 have fillings. And vaccines have nothing to do
with fillings.

Who said anything about kids under 3????

It is in kids around 3 years of age that the signs of autism first appear
in most cases (even if a diagnosis is made later).

Some signs appear right AFTER they get their VACCINATIONS!



And, when child get sick after a vaccine juries tend to find for the
defendent regardless of the
facts because drug companies are percieved to have deep pockets.

How very compassionate, Jeff.

This drives that cost of vaccines up. This is a way to provide some
compensation for
sick kids who were really injured by vaccines, while enabling vaccine
companies to be able to continue to make vaccines and save lives. If
there were not this sort of program, many vaccine companies would stop
making them.

So, your ONLY concern if for the *vaccine companies*

No. My concern is for the kids.

I saw NO concern for kids in the above words!

As sorry as I am for the kids who have
adverse events after getting vaccines, the vast majority of these events
are coincident. The vaccines have nothing to do with these.

So much garbage put forth by *organized medicine*

When Terry was nine weeks old, his doctor gave him his first DPT shot and
oral polio vaccinations. In the 48 hours after his vaccinations, Terry
started to sleep more than usual and his mother couldn't wake him up to eat.
Terry's breathing became shallow and the pretty pink glow of his skin turned
grey and mottled. When Terry's mother called the doctor's office, she was
told to wait until the morning to bring him in. But Terry's mother was so
worried she decided not to wait until morning and took her baby into the
doctor's office without an appointment.

When the nurse saw the color of Terry's skin, she immediately grabbed him
and started oxygen therapy. An ambulance was called to take him to the
hospital. When the doctor asked Terry's Mom what had happened to him, she
reminded the doctor that Terry had just gotten vaccinated but the doctor
said he did not think the vaccines had anything to do with Terry's
condition. Still, the doctor wrote on the medical chart that Terry should
not receive any more DPT vaccine.

At the hospital, Terry was put on a respirator. For the next two months,
Terry was fed through a tube in his nose and had to remain on the respirator
24 hours a day while one lab test after another was performed to try to find
out what had happened to him. All the tests came back negative. Terry's
parents kept talking about the vaccines he had been given but nobody would
listen.

Nine days after her shot, Anna had a runny nose and a low grade fever. Her
mother was not concerned about those symptoms but she was concerned that
Anna was very irritable. Although her cold symptoms eventually disappeared,
Anna did not return to the happy, playful toddler she had once been. Instead
she continued her strange behavior, crying and wanting to be held
constantly. Then Anna started tripping and falling down.

When Anna's mother called the pediatrician, he told her to put ice on the
leg where he had given Anna the injection and give her Tylenol. Fourteen
days after the MMR shot, Anna's mother took her child back to the
pediatrician. Although Anna had always loved to play and laugh with her
pediatrician, this time she screamed every time he tried to come near her.

Over the next six weeks, Anna lost the ability to sit or walk. One doctor
suggested that she be seen by a psychologist to determine why Anna was
refusing to walk. When Anna's mother consulted a neurologist, the
neurologist immediately hospitalized Anna with a suspected diagnosis of
tumor on her spinal cord. The MRI scan of her brain showed there were
lesions in the white matter of her brain. All other tests came back
negative.

Anna continued to deteriorate and lost all control of her trunk and legs.
When she tried to sit up, she would flop over like a rag doll. Nearly every
week she would run a fever for two to three days. Lab test after lab test
was performed to try to find out what had happened to her. In a four week
period, she endured seven spinal taps. During one hospitalization, Anna
turned completely limp and doctors feared she would lose her ability to
breathe on her own and would have to be put on a respirator.

Eventually Anna was put on steroid therapy, which helped her to regain her
personality and stop her brain from further deteriorating. However, she
remained paralyzed in the lower body, with some upper body involvement and
was left with processing delays.

Today Anna attends third grade in a wheelchair. As she grows and becomes
taller and heavier, it is hard for her to keep the trunk of her body
upright. Anna loves to swim underwater because she says it makes her feel
free.

In 1993, the U.S. Court of Claims in Washington, D.C. officially
acknowledged that Anna suffered post vaccination encephalopathy following
her MMR vaccination as a toddler.

Richie was a thriving two month old baby boy, the second son born to a
family in upstate New York when he got his first DPT shot in the winter of
1983. Richie's older brother had had severe reactions to his DPT shots,
including high fevers, redness and swelling at the site of the injection,
uncontrollable screaming, diarrhea and vomiting but the pediatrician had
reassured Richie's Mom that these were "normal" reactions to DPT vaccine and
not to worry. So Richie's Mom, who was a nurse, was prepared for Richie to
be uncomfortable following his first DPT shot.

By the evening of the day Richie got his first DPT shot, the area around the
site of the injection began to swell. Richie's Mom remembered how Richie's
brother's leg had swelled up after his DPT shots. But then Richie's hip
turned red and purple and soon the purple started to spread out from the
injection site in round patches. Still, Richie didn't have a fever and
continued to drink from his bottle so Richie's Mom didn't worry.

In the middle of the night, Richie woke up crying, then went back to sleep.
But in the morning he woke up screaming "like a cat in pain." Richie's Mom
thought his hip was bothering him.

After a brief nap Richie woke up crying again but his cry was weaker. After
taking a bottle, he fell back to sleep. An hour later he had severe diarrhea
with gas and mucous in his diapers. Then he fell asleep again until he again
woke up crying.

This time when Richie's Mom went to pick him up, she found him soaked
through two receiving blankets with a musty, pungent odor. While she washed
him, she noticed he was limp and staring at her with "dark eyes." Instead of
having a fever, he felt cool with ice cold hands. Thankful that her baby
didn't have a fever, she didn't worry. She thought the house might be too
cold and dressed him warmly, putting socks on his little hands.

Richie slowly drank eight ounces of water from his bottle and later that day
had three more diapers with diarrhea in them. His leg still seemed to be
sore. When he slept, his fingers twitched slightly. Later he gagged on the
nipple of his bottle and vomited a little. Richie's Mom remembered how
Richie's brother had had diarrhea and vomiting after his shots and so she
didn't worry.

That evening while Richie's Mom was giving him a bottle, suddenly he stopped
sucking. Then he started to sigh. Alarmed, she called the doctor and
described the symptoms and asked him to meet them at the emergency room. The
doctor told her it wasn't necessary for him to meet her at the emergency
room. The doctor didn't seem worried. Within minutes, Richie died in his
mother's arms as his father and six year old brother watched. It had been 33
hours since a doctor had injected him with his first DPT shot.

Fourteen weeks after his death, Richie's parents received the autopsy report
findings describing an enlarged thymus gland (the gland that helps regulate
the immune response in the body) as well as congestion and edema in the
lungs and brain.

Not satisfied with the autopsy findings, Richie's parents made an
appointment to talk with the coroner. As soon as they walked into his
office, the coroner handed them an article entitled "The Pathologist and the
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome."

But Richie's Mom knew that her baby did not die from SIDS. Armed with the
Physician's Desk Reference and studies on DPT vaccine, she described in
detail exactly what happened to Richie following his vaccinations. The
coroner listened to her and wrote on the death certificate that the cause of
Richie's death was "Irreversible shock due to a probable reaction to DPT."

For the first 13 days of his life, Nicholas was no different than any other
baby. He ate well. When he slept, he slept well. He acted just like my first
son acted when he came home from the hospital." Nicholas was given a
hepatitis B shot at his regular check up at the pediatrician's office on the
13th day of his life. That night when I got home from work, I noticed that
Nicholas was crying a lot more than usual. In fact, he was screaming some of
the time. He was acting differently, but because we had just taken him to
the doctor for a checkup and they told us he was a big healthy boy, we
thought everything was OK. When he was just acting fussy, like babies
sometimes do, we didn't know anything about vaccines or that they can cause
problems for some babies.

Nicholas cried on and off for most of the night. When I got up and went to
work the next day, he was still crying on and off. He continued during most
of the day and into the evening. The next morning, his mother found him dead
in his crib. From the way he looked, he had been dead for several hours."

An autopsy was done the next day. A couple of weeks later, our pediatrician
told us over the phone that the autopsy showed Nicholas had died of sudden
infant death syndrome. He told us Nicholas was one of the healthiest babies
he had ever seen.. What I didn't know then but I know now is that the
pediatrician had made a report within 17 days of Nicholas' death to the
government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, VAERS. In VAERS,
Nicholas' death is listed as SIDS. Even though I didn't know anything about
vaccines or SIDS, something told me that there was a reason why Nicholas
died, and I had to find out why.

After seeing an article in the Washington Post about the Institute of
Medicine report on adverse events associated with childhood vaccines,
Nicholas's father called the National Vaccine Information Center and began
talking to experts and researching infant death and vaccines. Eventually a
clinical professor of pathology, who had reviewed Nicholas' medical records,
autopsy and slides, stated in writing that Nicholas did not die of SIDS but
died a cardiac death, caused by passive congestive changes with pulmonary
edema and hemorrhage caused by the active immunization with hepatitis B
vaccine. The pathologist stated "I do not believe this was a sudden infant
death syndrome death. Sudden infant death syndrome is the most abused
diagnosis in pediatric pathology. In this particular case, the infant was
two weeks old. Sudden infant death at two weeks old is so rare as to be
virtually unheard of."

The pathologist went on to say that Nicholas was at high risk for congestive
heart failure because his mother had gestational diabetes, but that he would
definitely have survived were it not for the stress induced by the hepatitis
B vaccination.

=============

THAT IS ONLY FOUR, HAVE MANY MORE ARE THERE?!?!



If vaccine companies
have to pay for these cases that did not cause, then the vaccine companies
will go out of business for no reason, a lot of kids will have adverse
events that have nothing to do with vaccines, and a lot of kids will die
from chicken pox, measales, mumps, rubella, menigitis, invasive Hib
disease and other vaccine-preventable diseases.

The bottom line is that if only kids who have real vaccine injuries
recieve funds from the vaccine injury funds, then everyone is served. The
few kids who get vaccine injuries get some compensation and vaccine
companies are able to make vaccines without going bankrupt, so many kids
won't die or get sick from vaccine-preventable illnesses.

Unfortunately, a lot of kids who have gotton sick around the time of the
vaccinations for reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine won't
get money from vaccine companies, but their illness has nothing to do with
vaccines in the first place.

Do tell that to these parents!!!!!!!

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/anna.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/richie.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm

May God forgive you!!!!!

As sorry as I feel for these kids and their families, the bottom line is
these are anecdotes. The plural of anecdote is not data.

THESE ARE NOT ANECDOTES!!!!!!!

As proven above!!!!

Now, I am calling you a L I A R!



During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the
government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal
for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic
of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers
financially responsible for the damage caused by their products.

Let's see. You cliam the government forced vaccination. Why should the
vaccine makers be held accountable? If your claim that the government
forced vacicnations is correct, then shouldn't the government pay?

Simple, it is worded well above.

Read it again.

I did. You claimed that the government "forced vaccination" and "has an
obligation to ... holde the vaccine-makers [sic] financially responsible
for damage caused by their products." This doesn't explain why the
government should pay. In theory, the federal government is required to
pay for mandates that the NCLB requires. why shouldn't the government be
required to pay for damages required by what you claim is a government
mandate?

*I* didn't claim anything. Both the government and the vaccine makers
should be held responsible!!!

The government KNEW. The FDA and CDC have vested interest and it's ALL
about money!!!

And so is the parents suing the vaccine companies.

They have every right to sue.

The government, the FDA, the CDC are at fault!

snip

When you have something intelligent to say, I will respond to you in this
thread. Until then, bye.

Jeff

I have had many things to say that were intelligent.

Exposes many lies:

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr83001.htm

Yet, there is no evidence that the thimerasol, at the doses used, harmed
anyone.

YES, there is:

http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm

==

The guidelines were based on guidelines for methylmercury, which is more
toxic than ethylmercury. And, no one has shown that cuethylmerry is toxic
in the doses used.



OH YES THEY HAVE!!!!!!!


****This animal model, the first to show that the administration of low-dose
ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the
developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers*****.


===

http://poisonevercure.150m.com/autism.htm


Autistic children are shown to retain abnormally high concentrations of
mercury from environmental sources such as vaccines.


********* (Until recently, the FDA administration concealed their knowledge
that thimerosal has been known to cross through the blood-brain barrier and
concentrate in the brain).***********


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm

====


Why didn't anyone else? Does the FDA possess the only calculator in the
world?


I'll tell you WHY.


THEY DID!!!!!


It's right there on the website, I gave you. The one you tried to
discredit by trying to trash Dan Burton.


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...ngressacts.htm


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...rnmentknew.htm


Dan Burton doesn't need me to trash him. His comments do it for him.



God Bless Dan Burton!!!!

=========

But the analogy is correct. you have to look at doses.



of low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers


http://tinyurl.com/ct3m8


Toxicology. 1975;3(2):171-6. Related Articles, Links


Tissue concentrations of mercury after chronic dosing of squirrel monkeys
with thiomersal.


Blair AMJN, Clark B, Clarke AJ, Wood P.


Squirrel monkeys were dosed intranasally with saline or thiomersal (sodium
ethylmercurithiosalicylate, 0.002 percent w/v) daily for six months. The
total amounts of thiomersal given during the six months period were 418 mug
(low dose group) and 2280 mug (high dose group). This was equivalent to 207
and 1125 mug mercury. The dose differential was achieved by more frequent
administration to the high dose group. Mercury concentrations were
significantly raised over control values in brain (high dose group only),
liver, muscle and kidney, but not in blood. Concentrations were highest in
the kidney, moderate in liver and lowest in brain and muscle. Much of the
mercury was present in the inorganic form (37-91 percent). No evidence of
toxicity due to thiomersal was seen in any animal. Nevertheless accumulation
of mercury from chronic use of thiomersal-preserved medicines is viewed as a
potential health hazard for man.


PMID: 804725 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://tinyurl.com/9snsz


Second, the EPA equation, which uses data of fetal toxicity from 81
mother/infant pairs poisoned by methylmercury in seed grain, is based on
factors which would result in a lower relative risk than those involved in
an infant vaccine exposure scenario. Higher risk factors include bolus doses
vs chronic daily doses, injected vs ingested delivery, ethylmercury toxicity
vs methylmercury toxicity, direct exposure to the infant vs indirect to the
fetus through the mother, lack of adequate excretion by infants resulting in
high brain mercury accumulation vs adequate maternal excretion and
relatively low brain acummulations in mother and fetus, more rapid
metabolism in infants resulting in greater conversion of ethylmercury to its
toxic inorganic form vs slower metabolism in the mothers, and the
involvement of mercury sensitive individuals rather than the average person.
Third, the population distribution for mercury sensitivity, like that
for nearly all toxins, is log normal; thus, statistically, a small
percentage of the exposed population, if large enough, will be impaired at
the lowest doses. The fact that some small percentage will be impaired at a
very low dose is not just theoretical. It has been found true for certain
strains of mice and rats, and it was also true for the form of mercury
poisoning called acrodynia, which impaired approximately 1 in 500 children
early in this century even at low doses. Clarkson describes acrodynia as
being independent of dose and arising more from age and individual
sensitivity.
And finally, the risk assessment for vaccines does not take into
consideration that infants may receive mercury from maternal sources,
including maternal dental fillings and Rhogam shots which Rh negative women
receive multiple times during pregnancy, each of which contains 30
micrograms of ethylmercury.


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...evelopment.htm


Want more, Jeff?


Web Results 11 - 20 of about 553 for low-dose ethylmercury. (0.12
seconds)
===

Yet you cannot show me any cases where their supposed ties to the drug
companies resulted in any changes in how they vote.


Supposed ties.



NOT supposed!!!!!!



Now, he wants to know if the other 40% of members vote for or against the
vaccines?


Actually, they voted for the continued health of kids.



Unreal.


John has had it posted for years


http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html


Just a samll example.


( In conclusion, Jeff is a VERY VERY Dishonest person!)


http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings...5/opening_stat...


Opening Statement


Chairman Dan Burton


Committee on Government Reform


"FACA: Conflicts of Interest and Vaccine Development:


Preserving the Integrity of the Process"


Thursday, June 15, 2000


1:00 pm


2154 Rayburn House Office Building


Washington, DC 20515


Today, we are going to continue our series of hearings on vaccine policy.
For
the last few months, we've been focusing on two important advisory
committees. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) rely on these advisory committees to
help
them make vaccine policies that affect every child in this country. We've
looked very carefully at conflicts of interest. We've taken a good hard
look
at whether the pharmaceutical industry has too much influence over these
committees. From the evidence we found, I think they do.


The first committee is the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products
Advisory Committee (VRBPAC). This Committee makes recommendations on
whether
new vaccines should be licensed. The second committee is the CDC's Advisory
Committee on Immunizations Practices (ACIP). This committee recommends
which
vaccines should be included on the Childhood Immunization Schedule.


To make these issues easier to understand, we're going to focus on one issue
handled by these two committees - the Rotavirus vaccine. It was approved
for
use by the FDA in August 1998. It was recommended for universal use by the
CDC
in March 1999. Serious problems cropped up shortly after it was introduced.
Children started developing serious bowel obstructions. The vaccine was
pulled
from the U.S. market in October 1999.


So the question is, was there evidence to indicate that the vaccine was not
safe and if so, why was it licensed in the first place? How good a job did
the
advisory committees do? We've reviewed the minutes of the meetings. At the
FDA's committee, there were discussions about adverse events. They were
aware of potential problems. Five children out of 10,000 developed bowel
obstructions. There were also concerns about children failing to thrive and
developing high fevers, which as we know from other vaccine hearings, can
lead
to brain injury. Even with all of these concerns, the committee voted
unanimously to approve it.


At the CDC's committee, there was a lot of discussion about whether the
benefits of the vaccine really justified the costs. Even though the
cost-benefit ratio was questioned, the Committee voted unanimously to
approve
it.


Were they vigilant enough? Were they influenced by the pharmaceutical
industry? Was there appropriate balance of expertise and perspectives on
vaccine issues? We've been reviewing their financial disclosure statements.
We've interviewed staff from the FDA and the CDC. The staff has prepared a
staff report summarizing what we've found. At the end of my statement,
I'll ask unanimous consent to enter this report into the record. We've
identified a number of problems that need to be brought to light and
discussed.


Families need to have confidence that the vaccines that their children take
are
safe, effective, and truly necessary. Doctors need to feel confident that
when
the FDA licenses a drug, that it is really safe, and that the pharmaceutical
industry has not influenced the decision-making process. Doctors place
trust
in the FDA and assume that if the FDA has licensed a drug, it's safe to use.
Has that trust been violated?


How confident in the safety and need for specific vaccines would doctors and
parents be if they learned the following:


1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC
advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies
that
make vaccines.


2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents
for
vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee.


3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's
advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of
interest that were waived.


4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory
committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the
vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members
who
all voted to license the product.


5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every
member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full
participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member,
whether
they have a financial stake in the decision or not.


6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members
- no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the
childhood
immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member.


These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this
include:


Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and
became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee
as
well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines,
valued
at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr.
Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on
eight
different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including
recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children
program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest
himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock.


At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he
holds
a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to
develop
this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical
industry
to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr.
Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three
rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the
rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program.


Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory
committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full
waiver.


Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on
behalf
of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's
committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including
having
solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center.
As
a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the
opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts
to
be offering his personal opinion as well.


Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000
of
stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the
board
of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of
stock.
This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was
granted.
To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because
he
holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine.


How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work
of
the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind
closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full
committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same
issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled
to
learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the
working
group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical
companies
developing rotavirus vaccines.


How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug
Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory
committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines?


How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the
number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers
must
be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of
vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving
simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years.
We
found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually
on
the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can
one
person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years?


It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services
has
become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on
conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose,
we
need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be
held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine
what needs to be done.


Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a
government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State
governments
have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to
admission
to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the
recommendations
of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines.


I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of
industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine
learned
that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial
ties
to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most
stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent
editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the
industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers
can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and
remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the
part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This
attitude
can subtly influence scientific judgment."


Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to
self-interest than other people?


Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of
vaccine
development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and
Human
Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity
of
this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally
without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all
vaccine-related panels.


No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding
vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the
discussion
or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings
that
vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have
made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule
had
as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has
been
polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if
the
individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in
this
country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally
from
the decisions of the committees they served on.


The hearing record will remain open until June 28 for those who would like
to
submit a statement into the hearing record.


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"Jeff" wrote in message
nk.net...


As sorry as I am for the kids who have
adverse events after getting vaccines, the vast majority of these events
are coincident. The vaccines have nothing to do with these.

So much garbage put forth by *organized medicine*

There you go, again, bigot. Where is that definition, Jan?




When Terry was nine weeks old, his doctor gave him his first DPT shot and
oral polio vaccinations. In the 48 hours after . . . snip plagiarized
material

Isn't stealing a sin in your religion, Jan? Plagiarism is stealing and
lying. You are a liar and a thief.
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

"Rich" wrote in message
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snip repeated harassing

Restore what I wrote:

"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
nk.net...


As sorry as I am for the kids who have
adverse events after getting vaccines, the vast majority of these events
are coincident. The vaccines have nothing to do with these.

So much garbage put forth by *organized medicine*

When Terry was nine weeks old, his doctor gave him his first DPT shot and
oral polio vaccinations. In the 48 hours after his vaccinations, Terry
started to sleep more than usual and his mother couldn't wake him up to eat.
Terry's breathing became shallow and the pretty pink glow of his skin turned
grey and mottled. When Terry's mother called the doctor's office, she was
told to wait until the morning to bring him in. But Terry's mother was so
worried she decided not to wait until morning and took her baby into the
doctor's office without an appointment.

When the nurse saw the color of Terry's skin, she immediately grabbed him
and started oxygen therapy. An ambulance was called to take him to the
hospital. When the doctor asked Terry's Mom what had happened to him, she
reminded the doctor that Terry had just gotten vaccinated but the doctor
said he did not think the vaccines had anything to do with Terry's
condition. Still, the doctor wrote on the medical chart that Terry should
not receive any more DPT vaccine.

At the hospital, Terry was put on a respirator. For the next two months,
Terry was fed through a tube in his nose and had to remain on the respirator
24 hours a day while one lab test after another was performed to try to find
out what had happened to him. All the tests came back negative. Terry's
parents kept talking about the vaccines he had been given but nobody would
listen.

Nine days after her shot, Anna had a runny nose and a low grade fever. Her
mother was not concerned about those symptoms but she was concerned that
Anna was very irritable. Although her cold symptoms eventually disappeared,
Anna did not return to the happy, playful toddler she had once been. Instead
she continued her strange behavior, crying and wanting to be held
constantly. Then Anna started tripping and falling down.

When Anna's mother called the pediatrician, he told her to put ice on the
leg where he had given Anna the injection and give her Tylenol. Fourteen
days after the MMR shot, Anna's mother took her child back to the
pediatrician. Although Anna had always loved to play and laugh with her
pediatrician, this time she screamed every time he tried to come near her.

Over the next six weeks, Anna lost the ability to sit or walk. One doctor
suggested that she be seen by a psychologist to determine why Anna was
refusing to walk. When Anna's mother consulted a neurologist, the
neurologist immediately hospitalized Anna with a suspected diagnosis of
tumor on her spinal cord. The MRI scan of her brain showed there were
lesions in the white matter of her brain. All other tests came back
negative.

Anna continued to deteriorate and lost all control of her trunk and legs.
When she tried to sit up, she would flop over like a rag doll. Nearly every
week she would run a fever for two to three days. Lab test after lab test
was performed to try to find out what had happened to her. In a four week
period, she endured seven spinal taps. During one hospitalization, Anna
turned completely limp and doctors feared she would lose her ability to
breathe on her own and would have to be put on a respirator.

Eventually Anna was put on steroid therapy, which helped her to regain her
personality and stop her brain from further deteriorating. However, she
remained paralyzed in the lower body, with some upper body involvement and
was left with processing delays.

Today Anna attends third grade in a wheelchair. As she grows and becomes
taller and heavier, it is hard for her to keep the trunk of her body
upright. Anna loves to swim underwater because she says it makes her feel
free.

In 1993, the U.S. Court of Claims in Washington, D.C. officially
acknowledged that Anna suffered post vaccination encephalopathy following
her MMR vaccination as a toddler.

Richie was a thriving two month old baby boy, the second son born to a
family in upstate New York when he got his first DPT shot in the winter of
1983. Richie's older brother had had severe reactions to his DPT shots,
including high fevers, redness and swelling at the site of the injection,
uncontrollable screaming, diarrhea and vomiting but the pediatrician had
reassured Richie's Mom that these were "normal" reactions to DPT vaccine and
not to worry. So Richie's Mom, who was a nurse, was prepared for Richie to
be uncomfortable following his first DPT shot.

By the evening of the day Richie got his first DPT shot, the area around the
site of the injection began to swell. Richie's Mom remembered how Richie's
brother's leg had swelled up after his DPT shots. But then Richie's hip
turned red and purple and soon the purple started to spread out from the
injection site in round patches. Still, Richie didn't have a fever and
continued to drink from his bottle so Richie's Mom didn't worry.

In the middle of the night, Richie woke up crying, then went back to sleep.
But in the morning he woke up screaming "like a cat in pain." Richie's Mom
thought his hip was bothering him.

After a brief nap Richie woke up crying again but his cry was weaker. After
taking a bottle, he fell back to sleep. An hour later he had severe diarrhea
with gas and mucous in his diapers. Then he fell asleep again until he again
woke up crying.

This time when Richie's Mom went to pick him up, she found him soaked
through two receiving blankets with a musty, pungent odor. While she washed
him, she noticed he was limp and staring at her with "dark eyes." Instead of
having a fever, he felt cool with ice cold hands. Thankful that her baby
didn't have a fever, she didn't worry. She thought the house might be too
cold and dressed him warmly, putting socks on his little hands.

Richie slowly drank eight ounces of water from his bottle and later that day
had three more diapers with diarrhea in them. His leg still seemed to be
sore. When he slept, his fingers twitched slightly. Later he gagged on the
nipple of his bottle and vomited a little. Richie's Mom remembered how
Richie's brother had had diarrhea and vomiting after his shots and so she
didn't worry.

That evening while Richie's Mom was giving him a bottle, suddenly he stopped
sucking. Then he started to sigh. Alarmed, she called the doctor and
described the symptoms and asked him to meet them at the emergency room. The
doctor told her it wasn't necessary for him to meet her at the emergency
room. The doctor didn't seem worried. Within minutes, Richie died in his
mother's arms as his father and six year old brother watched. It had been 33
hours since a doctor had injected him with his first DPT shot.

Fourteen weeks after his death, Richie's parents received the autopsy report
findings describing an enlarged thymus gland (the gland that helps regulate
the immune response in the body) as well as congestion and edema in the
lungs and brain.

Not satisfied with the autopsy findings, Richie's parents made an
appointment to talk with the coroner. As soon as they walked into his
office, the coroner handed them an article entitled "The Pathologist and the
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome."

But Richie's Mom knew that her baby did not die from SIDS. Armed with the
Physician's Desk Reference and studies on DPT vaccine, she described in
detail exactly what happened to Richie following his vaccinations. The
coroner listened to her and wrote on the death certificate that the cause of
Richie's death was "Irreversible shock due to a probable reaction to DPT."

For the first 13 days of his life, Nicholas was no different than any other
baby. He ate well. When he slept, he slept well. He acted just like my first
son acted when he came home from the hospital." Nicholas was given a
hepatitis B shot at his regular check up at the pediatrician's office on the
13th day of his life. That night when I got home from work, I noticed that
Nicholas was crying a lot more than usual. In fact, he was screaming some of
the time. He was acting differently, but because we had just taken him to
the doctor for a checkup and they told us he was a big healthy boy, we
thought everything was OK. When he was just acting fussy, like babies
sometimes do, we didn't know anything about vaccines or that they can cause
problems for some babies.

Nicholas cried on and off for most of the night. When I got up and went to
work the next day, he was still crying on and off. He continued during most
of the day and into the evening. The next morning, his mother found him dead
in his crib. From the way he looked, he had been dead for several hours."

An autopsy was done the next day. A couple of weeks later, our pediatrician
told us over the phone that the autopsy showed Nicholas had died of sudden
infant death syndrome. He told us Nicholas was one of the healthiest babies
he had ever seen.. What I didn't know then but I know now is that the
pediatrician had made a report within 17 days of Nicholas' death to the
government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, VAERS. In VAERS,
Nicholas' death is listed as SIDS. Even though I didn't know anything about
vaccines or SIDS, something told me that there was a reason why Nicholas
died, and I had to find out why.

After seeing an article in the Washington Post about the Institute of
Medicine report on adverse events associated with childhood vaccines,
Nicholas's father called the National Vaccine Information Center and began
talking to experts and researching infant death and vaccines. Eventually a
clinical professor of pathology, who had reviewed Nicholas' medical records,
autopsy and slides, stated in writing that Nicholas did not die of SIDS but
died a cardiac death, caused by passive congestive changes with pulmonary
edema and hemorrhage caused by the active immunization with hepatitis B
vaccine. The pathologist stated "I do not believe this was a sudden infant
death syndrome death. Sudden infant death syndrome is the most abused
diagnosis in pediatric pathology. In this particular case, the infant was
two weeks old. Sudden infant death at two weeks old is so rare as to be
virtually unheard of."

The pathologist went on to say that Nicholas was at high risk for congestive
heart failure because his mother had gestational diabetes, but that he would
definitely have survived were it not for the stress induced by the hepatitis
B vaccination.

=============

THAT IS ONLY FOUR, HAVE MANY MORE ARE THERE?!?!



If vaccine companies
have to pay for these cases that did not cause, then the vaccine companies
will go out of business for no reason, a lot of kids will have adverse
events that have nothing to do with vaccines, and a lot of kids will die
from chicken pox, measales, mumps, rubella, menigitis, invasive Hib
disease and other vaccine-preventable diseases.

The bottom line is that if only kids who have real vaccine injuries
recieve funds from the vaccine injury funds, then everyone is served. The
few kids who get vaccine injuries get some compensation and vaccine
companies are able to make vaccines without going bankrupt, so many kids
won't die or get sick from vaccine-preventable illnesses.

Unfortunately, a lot of kids who have gotton sick around the time of the
vaccinations for reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine won't
get money from vaccine companies, but their illness has nothing to do with
vaccines in the first place.

Do tell that to these parents!!!!!!!

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/anna.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/richie.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm

May God forgive you!!!!!

As sorry as I feel for these kids and their families, the bottom line is
these are anecdotes. The plural of anecdote is not data.

THESE ARE NOT ANECDOTES!!!!!!!

As proven above!!!!

Now, I am calling you a L I A R!



During the 1990s, some 40 million children were vaccinated. Since the
government literally forced children to be vaccinated with thimerosal
for decades, it now has an obligation to find a cure for the epidemic
of autism and other related disorders and to hold the vaccine-makers
financially responsible for the damage caused by their products.

Let's see. You cliam the government forced vaccination. Why should the
vaccine makers be held accountable? If your claim that the government
forced vacicnations is correct, then shouldn't the government pay?

Simple, it is worded well above.

Read it again.

I did. You claimed that the government "forced vaccination" and "has an
obligation to ... holde the vaccine-makers [sic] financially responsible
for damage caused by their products." This doesn't explain why the
government should pay. In theory, the federal government is required to
pay for mandates that the NCLB requires. why shouldn't the government be
required to pay for damages required by what you claim is a government
mandate?

*I* didn't claim anything. Both the government and the vaccine makers
should be held responsible!!!

The government KNEW. The FDA and CDC have vested interest and it's ALL
about money!!!

And so is the parents suing the vaccine companies.

They have every right to sue.

The government, the FDA, the CDC are at fault!

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When you have something intelligent to say, I will respond to you in this
thread. Until then, bye.

Jeff

I have had many things to say that were intelligent.

Exposes many lies:

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr83001.htm

Yet, there is no evidence that the thimerasol, at the doses used, harmed
anyone.

YES, there is:

http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm

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The guidelines were based on guidelines for methylmercury, which is more
toxic than ethylmercury. And, no one has shown that cuethylmerry is toxic
in the doses used.



OH YES THEY HAVE!!!!!!!


****This animal model, the first to show that the administration of low-dose
ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the
developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers*****.


===

http://poisonevercure.150m.com/autism.htm


Autistic children are shown to retain abnormally high concentrations of
mercury from environmental sources such as vaccines.


********* (Until recently, the FDA administration concealed their knowledge
that thimerosal has been known to cross through the blood-brain barrier and
concentrate in the brain).***********


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm

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Why didn't anyone else? Does the FDA possess the only calculator in the
world?


I'll tell you WHY.


THEY DID!!!!!


It's right there on the website, I gave you. The one you tried to
discredit by trying to trash Dan Burton.


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...ngressacts.htm


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...rnmentknew.htm


Dan Burton doesn't need me to trash him. His comments do it for him.



God Bless Dan Burton!!!!

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But the analogy is correct. you have to look at doses.



of low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers


http://tinyurl.com/ct3m8


Toxicology. 1975;3(2):171-6. Related Articles, Links


Tissue concentrations of mercury after chronic dosing of squirrel monkeys
with thiomersal.


Blair AMJN, Clark B, Clarke AJ, Wood P.


Squirrel monkeys were dosed intranasally with saline or thiomersal (sodium
ethylmercurithiosalicylate, 0.002 percent w/v) daily for six months. The
total amounts of thiomersal given during the six months period were 418 mug
(low dose group) and 2280 mug (high dose group). This was equivalent to 207
and 1125 mug mercury. The dose differential was achieved by more frequent
administration to the high dose group. Mercury concentrations were
significantly raised over control values in brain (high dose group only),
liver, muscle and kidney, but not in blood. Concentrations were highest in
the kidney, moderate in liver and lowest in brain and muscle. Much of the
mercury was present in the inorganic form (37-91 percent). No evidence of
toxicity due to thiomersal was seen in any animal. Nevertheless accumulation
of mercury from chronic use of thiomersal-preserved medicines is viewed as a
potential health hazard for man.


PMID: 804725 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://tinyurl.com/9snsz


Second, the EPA equation, which uses data of fetal toxicity from 81
mother/infant pairs poisoned by methylmercury in seed grain, is based on
factors which would result in a lower relative risk than those involved in
an infant vaccine exposure scenario. Higher risk factors include bolus doses
vs chronic daily doses, injected vs ingested delivery, ethylmercury toxicity
vs methylmercury toxicity, direct exposure to the infant vs indirect to the
fetus through the mother, lack of adequate excretion by infants resulting in
high brain mercury accumulation vs adequate maternal excretion and
relatively low brain acummulations in mother and fetus, more rapid
metabolism in infants resulting in greater conversion of ethylmercury to its
toxic inorganic form vs slower metabolism in the mothers, and the
involvement of mercury sensitive individuals rather than the average person.
Third, the population distribution for mercury sensitivity, like that
for nearly all toxins, is log normal; thus, statistically, a small
percentage of the exposed population, if large enough, will be impaired at
the lowest doses. The fact that some small percentage will be impaired at a
very low dose is not just theoretical. It has been found true for certain
strains of mice and rats, and it was also true for the form of mercury
poisoning called acrodynia, which impaired approximately 1 in 500 children
early in this century even at low doses. Clarkson describes acrodynia as
being independent of dose and arising more from age and individual
sensitivity.
And finally, the risk assessment for vaccines does not take into
consideration that infants may receive mercury from maternal sources,
including maternal dental fillings and Rhogam shots which Rh negative women
receive multiple times during pregnancy, each of which contains 30
micrograms of ethylmercury.


http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...evelopment.htm


Want more, Jeff?


Web Results 11 - 20 of about 553 for low-dose ethylmercury. (0.12
seconds)
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Yet you cannot show me any cases where their supposed ties to the drug
companies resulted in any changes in how they vote.


Supposed ties.



NOT supposed!!!!!!



Now, he wants to know if the other 40% of members vote for or against the
vaccines?


Actually, they voted for the continued health of kids.



Unreal.


John has had it posted for years


http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html


Just a samll example.


( In conclusion, Jeff is a VERY VERY Dishonest person!)


http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings...5/opening_stat...


Opening Statement


Chairman Dan Burton


Committee on Government Reform


"FACA: Conflicts of Interest and Vaccine Development:


Preserving the Integrity of the Process"


Thursday, June 15, 2000


1:00 pm


2154 Rayburn House Office Building


Washington, DC 20515


Today, we are going to continue our series of hearings on vaccine policy.
For
the last few months, we've been focusing on two important advisory
committees. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) rely on these advisory committees to
help
them make vaccine policies that affect every child in this country. We've
looked very carefully at conflicts of interest. We've taken a good hard
look
at whether the pharmaceutical industry has too much influence over these
committees. From the evidence we found, I think they do.


The first committee is the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products
Advisory Committee (VRBPAC). This Committee makes recommendations on
whether
new vaccines should be licensed. The second committee is the CDC's Advisory
Committee on Immunizations Practices (ACIP). This committee recommends
which
vaccines should be included on the Childhood Immunization Schedule.


To make these issues easier to understand, we're going to focus on one issue
handled by these two committees - the Rotavirus vaccine. It was approved
for
use by the FDA in August 1998. It was recommended for universal use by the
CDC
in March 1999. Serious problems cropped up shortly after it was introduced.
Children started developing serious bowel obstructions. The vaccine was
pulled
from the U.S. market in October 1999.


So the question is, was there evidence to indicate that the vaccine was not
safe and if so, why was it licensed in the first place? How good a job did
the
advisory committees do? We've reviewed the minutes of the meetings. At the
FDA's committee, there were discussions about adverse events. They were
aware of potential problems. Five children out of 10,000 developed bowel
obstructions. There were also concerns about children failing to thrive and
developing high fevers, which as we know from other vaccine hearings, can
lead
to brain injury. Even with all of these concerns, the committee voted
unanimously to approve it.


At the CDC's committee, there was a lot of discussion about whether the
benefits of the vaccine really justified the costs. Even though the
cost-benefit ratio was questioned, the Committee voted unanimously to
approve
it.


Were they vigilant enough? Were they influenced by the pharmaceutical
industry? Was there appropriate balance of expertise and perspectives on
vaccine issues? We've been reviewing their financial disclosure statements.
We've interviewed staff from the FDA and the CDC. The staff has prepared a
staff report summarizing what we've found. At the end of my statement,
I'll ask unanimous consent to enter this report into the record. We've
identified a number of problems that need to be brought to light and
discussed.


Families need to have confidence that the vaccines that their children take
are
safe, effective, and truly necessary. Doctors need to feel confident that
when
the FDA licenses a drug, that it is really safe, and that the pharmaceutical
industry has not influenced the decision-making process. Doctors place
trust
in the FDA and assume that if the FDA has licensed a drug, it's safe to use.
Has that trust been violated?


How confident in the safety and need for specific vaccines would doctors and
parents be if they learned the following:


1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC
advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies
that
make vaccines.


2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents
for
vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee.


3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's
advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of
interest that were waived.


4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory
committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the
vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members
who
all voted to license the product.


5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every
member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full
participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member,
whether
they have a financial stake in the decision or not.


6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members
- no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the
childhood
immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member.


These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this
include:


Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and
became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee
as
well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines,
valued
at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr.
Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on
eight
different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including
recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children
program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest
himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock.


At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he
holds
a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to
develop
this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical
industry
to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr.
Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three
rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the
rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program.


Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory
committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full
waiver.


Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on
behalf
of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's
committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including
having
solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center.
As
a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the
opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts
to
be offering his personal opinion as well.


Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000
of
stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the
board
of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of
stock.
This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was
granted.
To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because
he
holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine.


How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work
of
the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind
closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full
committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same
issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled
to
learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the
working
group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical
companies
developing rotavirus vaccines.


How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug
Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory
committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines?


How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the
number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers
must
be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of
vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving
simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years.
We
found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually
on
the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can
one
person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years?


It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services
has
become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on
conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose,
we
need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be
held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine
what needs to be done.


Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a
government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State
governments
have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to
admission
to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the
recommendations
of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines.


I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of
industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine
learned
that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial
ties
to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most
stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent
editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the
industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers
can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and
remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the
part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This
attitude
can subtly influence scientific judgment."


Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to
self-interest than other people?


Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of
vaccine
development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and
Human
Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity
of
this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally
without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all
vaccine-related panels.


No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding
vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the
discussion
or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings
that
vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have
made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule
had
as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has
been
polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if
the
individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in
this
country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally
from
the decisions of the committees they served on.


The hearing record will remain open until June 28 for those who would like
to
submit a statement into the hearing record.


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LOL! You make unfounded accusations of LIAR, LIAR, every day, but dismiss
your own stealing and lying as "harassing". Oh, the hypocrisy, the
hypocrisy!
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--Rich

Recommended websites:

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LOL! You make unfounded accusations of LIAR, LIAR,

Wrong.

Actually the liar accusations are PROVEN.

As well as the repeated harassing.

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every day, but dismiss
your own stealing and lying as "harassing". Oh, the hypocrisy, the
hypocrisy!
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--Rich