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Yet another media strike against AP!
Stephanie and Tim wrote:
"Karen Askey" wrote in message ... In article , (H Schinske) writes: Assuming no other behavior problems had developed, he'd be a well-adjusted child who was perfectly content with a room and a bed of his own. Well, duh. If no other behavior problems had developed, he'd be the perfect child, no? At least he'd look like one. Anyone remember Pet Rocks? I think some people ought to have Rock Babies. They do behave themselves awfully well, and you don't have to rock them -- they're already permanently rocked :-) Heh, I wonder if Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer slept all nite content in their rooms? Being content all nite in a room of your own does not mean a child is well-adjusted in other areas as well. "He was a quiet guy, kept pretty much to himself. Never complained. . . " Sound familiar? Right, if you child sleeps in his own room, then he is going to grow up to be an ax murder because his mother did not love him. That must be it. I don't think that was what Karen was implying. I certainly didn't read it that way, and my kids all sleep in their own rooms. I think what Karen was saying is that the behavior described in the letter and inveighed against by Rosemond (who, IMO, is a hard-line parenting idealogue cut from the same basic cloth as Ezzo) *isn't* necessarily a problem. It's only a problem if the parents *think* it's a problem. And even if it *is* a problem, it doesn't necessarily mean the child in question is poorly disciplined and maladjusted, any more than sleeping through the night in one's own room means the child in question is well-disciplined and well-adjusted. -- Be well, Barbara (Julian [7/22/97], Aurora [7/19/99], and Vernon's [3/2/02] mom) See us at http://photos.yahoo.com/guavaln This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop: "Loose weight, feel great!" -- fair booth sign What does it all mean? I have *no* idea. But it's my life and I like it. |
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Yet another media strike against AP!
"Circe" wrote in message news:RgVQa.8484$u51.7356@fed1read05... Stephanie and Tim wrote: "Karen Askey" wrote in message ... In article , (H Schinske) writes: Assuming no other behavior problems had developed, he'd be a well-adjusted child who was perfectly content with a room and a bed of his own. Well, duh. If no other behavior problems had developed, he'd be the perfect child, no? At least he'd look like one. Anyone remember Pet Rocks? I think some people ought to have Rock Babies. They do behave themselves awfully well, and you don't have to rock them -- they're already permanently rocked :-) Heh, I wonder if Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer slept all nite content in their rooms? Being content all nite in a room of your own does not mean a child is well-adjusted in other areas as well. "He was a quiet guy, kept pretty much to himself. Never complained. . . " Sound familiar? Right, if you child sleeps in his own room, then he is going to grow up to be an ax murder because his mother did not love him. That must be it. I don't think that was what Karen was implying. I certainly didn't read it that way, and my kids all sleep in their own rooms. I think what Karen was saying is that the behavior described in the letter and inveighed against by Rosemond (who, IMO, is a hard-line parenting idealogue cut from the same basic cloth as Ezzo) *isn't* necessarily a problem. It's only a problem if the parents *think* it's a problem. And even if it *is* a problem, it doesn't necessarily mean the child in question is poorly disciplined and maladjusted, any more than sleeping through the night in one's own room means the child in question is well-disciplined and well-adjusted. -- Be well, Barbara (Julian [7/22/97], Aurora [7/19/99], and Vernon's [3/2/02] mom) See us at http://photos.yahoo.com/guavaln This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop: "Loose weight, feel great!" -- fair booth sign What does it all mean? I have *no* idea. But it's my life and I like it. I hear what *you* are saying. That is not what it sounded like *she* was saying at all. S |
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Yet another media strike against AP!
Stephanie and Tim wrote:
"Circe" wrote in message news:RgVQa.8484$u51.7356@fed1read05... Stephanie and Tim wrote: "Karen Askey" wrote in message ... Heh, I wonder if Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer slept all nite content in their rooms? Being content all nite in a room of your own does not mean a child is well-adjusted in other areas as well. "He was a quiet guy, kept pretty much to himself. Never complained. . . " Sound familiar? Right, if you child sleeps in his own room, then he is going to grow up to be an ax murder because his mother did not love him. That must be it. I don't think that was what Karen was implying. I certainly didn't read it that way, and my kids all sleep in their own rooms. I think what Karen was saying is that the behavior described in the letter and inveighed against by Rosemond (who, IMO, is a hard-line parenting idealogue cut from the same basic cloth as Ezzo) *isn't* necessarily a problem. It's only a problem if the parents *think* it's a problem. And even if it *is* a problem, it doesn't necessarily mean the child in question is poorly disciplined and maladjusted, any more than sleeping through the night in one's own room means the child in question is well-disciplined and well-adjusted. I hear what *you* are saying. That is not what it sounded like *she* was saying at all. Shrug It can be remarkably difficult to "hear" what people are saying in a strictly written formal. Sarcasm and irony often don't come across properly at all. To me, it "sounded" like Karen was simply saying that sleeping through the night in one's own room was no indication of normalcy. I think it's quite likely that most mass murderers DID sleep through the night in their own rooms as children, given the fact that this is the societal norm. That doesn't mean their sleeping through the night in their own rooms *caused* them to be mass murderers or even that it meant their mothers didn't love them (and I don't think Karen meant it did, though it's entirely possible that *I* misunderstood her); it simply means that appearing normal and being normal aren't one and the same! I just get the impression that you felt attacked by what Karen wrote because you've chosen not to co-sleep. And I'm not sure why. Because *we* don't co-sleep, but I didn't remotely feel that Karen was attacking my choice not to or that she was suggesting my kids were going to turn out to be psychotic killers as a result. I realize this group has a *lot* of co-sleepers in it and folks here are generally enthusiastic about it. Like Clisby, I happen to be one of those people who doesn't find co-sleeping particularly pleasant or restful, and therefore choose not to do it unless absolutely necessary. But I've never felt like anyone who was enthusiastic about co-sleeping was attacking me or putting me down for being different. Ever. So I'm wondering where your sense of injury is coming from. I don't think it's just from what Karen wrote. -- Be well, Barbara (Julian [7/22/97], Aurora [7/19/99], and Vernon's [3/2/02] mom) See us at http://photos.yahoo.com/guavaln This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop: "Loose weight, feel great!" -- fair booth sign What does it all mean? I have *no* idea. But it's my life and I like it. |
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Yet another media strike against AP!
Rarely do I meet a father who has chosen to initiate this unnecessary
practice. Rarely do I meet a father who says "No dear, you stay here in our bed whilst I get up and soothe the baby to sleep for an hour or so in his own room...." ROSIE p.s. DH said the other night, that when DD is asleep in her own bed, he just lies awake worrying about her until she comes into bed with me ... ahhh! |
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Thoughts on Redmond: was Yet another media strike against AP!
At risk of opening another can of worms, I'll stick my two pence in. John
Redmond strikes me as someone who has never spent an entire day alone and soely responsible for the care of an infant. Daddy sitter, yes and I'd bet he did an adequate job of child watcher. But he doesn't seem to GET what it is like to be a breastfeeding stay at home mom with an infant. It wouldn't matter so much EXCEPT... when it comes to things like cosleeping, and daycare he gets onto these high horses that show his arrogance more than his expertise. Now I will say, I do like (full disclosuer, I have one daughter who is all of 2) his style of handeling teens. 15 & 16 year olds can get into really dangerous trouble. His "lower the boom" technique (take away the car, the stuff, the allowance, the job, whatever) makes a lot of sense to me. We will see if I have the balls for it when she is 16. Sue Tupperware without the party??? Shop online at my website. http://my.tupperware.com/SueBurton ** remove "spamnot" to reply** |
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Yet another media strike against AP!
"Circe" wrote in message news:EJVQa.8501$u51.4579@fed1read05... Stephanie and Tim wrote: "Circe" wrote in message news:RgVQa.8484$u51.7356@fed1read05... Stephanie and Tim wrote: "Karen Askey" wrote in message ... Heh, I wonder if Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer slept all nite content in their rooms? Being content all nite in a room of your own does not mean a child is well-adjusted in other areas as well. "He was a quiet guy, kept pretty much to himself. Never complained. . . " Sound familiar? Right, if you child sleeps in his own room, then he is going to grow up to be an ax murder because his mother did not love him. That must be it. I don't think that was what Karen was implying. I certainly didn't read it that way, and my kids all sleep in their own rooms. I think what Karen was saying is that the behavior described in the letter and inveighed against by Rosemond (who, IMO, is a hard-line parenting idealogue cut from the same basic cloth as Ezzo) *isn't* necessarily a problem. It's only a problem if the parents *think* it's a problem. And even if it *is* a problem, it doesn't necessarily mean the child in question is poorly disciplined and maladjusted, any more than sleeping through the night in one's own room means the child in question is well-disciplined and well-adjusted. I hear what *you* are saying. That is not what it sounded like *she* was saying at all. Shrug It can be remarkably difficult to "hear" what people are saying in a strictly written formal. Sarcasm and irony often don't come across properly at all. To me, it "sounded" like Karen was simply saying that sleeping through the night in one's own room was no indication of normalcy. I think it's quite likely that most mass murderers DID sleep through the night in their own rooms as children, given the fact that this is the societal norm. That doesn't mean their sleeping through the night in their own rooms *caused* them to be mass murderers or even that it meant their mothers didn't love them (and I don't think Karen meant it did, though it's entirely possible that *I* misunderstood her); it simply means that appearing normal and being normal aren't one and the same! I just get the impression that you felt attacked by what Karen wrote because you've chosen not to co-sleep. Nope. I just thought the Ted Bundy reference was a tad off the top. The smiley was intended to take some of the seriousness out of the complaint. And I'm not sure why. Because *we* don't co-sleep, but I didn't remotely feel that Karen was attacking my choice not to or that she was suggesting my kids were going to turn out to be psychotic killers as a result. I realize this group has a *lot* of co-sleepers in it and folks here are generally enthusiastic about it. Like Clisby, I happen to be one of those people who doesn't find co-sleeping particularly pleasant or restful, and therefore choose not to do it unless absolutely necessary. But I've never felt like anyone who was enthusiastic about co-sleeping was attacking me or putting me down for being different. Ever. So I'm wondering where your sense of injury is coming from. I don't think it's just from what Karen wrote. -- Be well, Barbara (Julian [7/22/97], Aurora [7/19/99], and Vernon's [3/2/02] mom) See us at http://photos.yahoo.com/guavaln This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop: "Loose weight, feel great!" -- fair booth sign What does it all mean? I have *no* idea. But it's my life and I like it. |
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Thoughts on Redmond: was Yet another media strike against AP!
"Sue theo b" wrote in message ... At risk of opening another can of worms, I'll stick my two pence in. John Redmond strikes me as someone who has never spent an entire day alone and soely responsible for the care of an infant. Daddy sitter, yes and I'd bet he did an adequate job of child watcher. But he doesn't seem to GET what it is like to be a breastfeeding stay at home mom with an infant. I wonder if his wife agrees with him. You know what this makes me think of? The woman, whose name escapes me now, who drowned all of her children in the bathtub. Her husband sounded similar to this uy, all demands. It wouldn't matter so much EXCEPT... when it comes to things like cosleeping, and daycare he gets onto these high horses that show his arrogance more than his expertise. Just goes to show that Anyone can become an expert. I am feeling a little poor today. Maybe I should write a book on parenting. Now I will say, I do like (full disclosuer, I have one daughter who is all of 2) his style of handeling teens. 15 & 16 year olds can get into really dangerous trouble. His "lower the boom" technique (take away the car, the stuff, the allowance, the job, whatever) makes a lot of sense to me. We will see if I have the balls for it when she is 16. Sue Tupperware without the party??? Shop online at my website. http://my.tupperware.com/SueBurton ** remove "spamnot" to reply** |
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Yet another media strike against AP!
"Rosie" wrote in message ... Rarely do I meet a father who has chosen to initiate this unnecessary practice. Rarely do I meet a father who says "No dear, you stay here in our bed whilst I get up and soothe the baby to sleep for an hour or so in his own room...." This is my DH. Not all the time of course. DH frequently sleeps through baby cries better than I do. But he definitely is a hands on Dad who will suggest just this sort of thing if I am dying. ROSIE p.s. DH said the other night, that when DD is asleep in her own bed, he just lies awake worrying about her until she comes into bed with me ... ahhh! |
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Yet another media strike against AP!
In article EJVQa.8501$u51.4579@fed1read05, "Circe"
writes: I hear what *you* are saying. That is not what it sounded like *she* was saying at all. Shrug It can be remarkably difficult to "hear" what people are saying in a strictly written formal. Sarcasm and irony often don't come across properly at all. To me, it "sounded" like Karen was simply saying that sleeping through the night in one's own room was no indication of normalcy. I think it's quite likely that most mass murderers DID sleep through the night in their own rooms as children, given the fact that this is the societal norm. That doesn't mean their sleeping through the night in their own rooms *caused* them to be mass murderers or even that it meant their mothers didn't love them (and I don't think Karen meant it did, though it's entirely possible that *I* misunderstood her); it simply means that appearing normal and being normal aren't one and the same! Thanks, Barbara. That is exactly what I was implying. Rosemond seems to say that only a child who sleeps in his own room by himself is Normal. I was replying to a comment that was in reply to Rosemond's quote: Assuming no other behavior problems had developed, he'd be a well-adjusted child who was perfectly content with a room and a bed of his own. And my comment was simply that just because he is content in his room does not mean that he's content in other areas of his life. Hey, my parents didn't co-sleep with me and I'm not an ax murderer yet. I do co-sleep with my children and I guess I would be a shocking sight to Rosemond, as I am told that my older child is usually well-behaved. (It's too soon to tell about the 3-mo old!) koa Still nursing James, 02/06/01 EP'ing for Joey 04/02/03 (BCP) |
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Yet another media strike against AP!
Meanwhile, this child has been deprived of the inestimable benefit of learning that he was not a member of the wedding, that the marriage is not a threesome. Heh. So my 10 year old, who WAS a member of the wedding party, IS a part of the marriage? That seems like a rather dumb way of defining it. Jenrose |
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