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Old January 20th 08, 07:23 PM posted to alt.support.incest,alt.parenting.solutions
R. Steve Walz
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Brandon D Cartwright wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:51:23 +1030, David
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:39:14 -0800 (PST), ricky-livid
typed furiously:

pedophiles only want the AOC changed so they can get into the pants of
kids legally, they don't give a ****ing damn about kids!

That is where you are wrong. I am very concerned that, particularly in
the US, AOC laws are increasingly being used to prosecute those whom
the laws are supposed to protect. This includes the case where two
thirteen year old children who had consensual sex with each other were
BOTH charged and convicted of statutory rape of the other participant.
BOTH are now required to register as sex offenders for the rest of
their life.

While I, personally, have no interest in pursuing a relationship with
anyone at the moment it could happen. I like to think that I am mature
enough to not want a relationship with someone who is immature either
physically or mentally.


For most folk having sex with a child is not something they " like to
think" would not happen.

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I think you need to rewrite that, however much I like it.


This, of course, means that I do not fit the
correct definition of paedophile or even the incorrect definition
promulgated by the press.


You think adults having sex with children is just fine if the child
"wants it".

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No, we think kids having sex with adults is just fine if the kids want
it, not if they "want it". Your quotes represent the pretense that kids
can never really want sex, and that's the biggest lie in this society.

Can someone coerce a child into thinking they want to?? Sure, but NOT
under parental and community oversight.


You think fathers ****ing their daughters equally just fine if the
child "wants it"

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No, we think daughters ****ing their fathers is just fine if she wants
it, not if she "wants it". Your quotes represent the pretense that kids
can never really want sex, and that's the biggest lie in this society.

Can someone coerce a child into thinking they want to?? Sure, but NOT
under parental and community oversight.


You argue perpetually against pedophiles changing their ways
and for adult/child sex relationships.

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No one here is talking about pedophiles but you, and that's because
you seek to use the fiction that we are in that category, which you
prefer because it is an emotionally loaded term that is used mindlessly
by idiots who think like you.


You argue vehemently against the very idea that incest victims should
break away from the parents who abuse them and decry the very idea of
pedophile's victims, or incestor's victims receiving therapy for their
sexual abuse, even going as far as to suggest it's harmful for
children to disclose their ongoing sexual abuse.

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If it is actually abuse, meaning coercion, then of course they should,
but if it something they enjoy, then following your advice could
destroy them when they realize how you've misled them and what they
did to their sex-friends.


Now just what do you think that makes you in the eyes of normal folk?

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Brainwashed Fundies are NOT "normal folk". They are irrational and
brainless who regurgitate everything that was rammed down their throats.
THEY are the ones who are "groomed" to obey/be abused by
your sick delusions.

People who are not thus defective can be reasoned with, and they can
easily see that if a child enjoys something and was not coerced, that
they should be VERY reluctant to interfere with their life-choices.
Steve

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Old January 21st 08, 08:17 PM posted to alt.support.incest,alt.parenting.solutions
R. Steve Walz
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Brandon D Cartwright wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:23:31 -0800, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

For most folk having sex with a child is not something they " like to
think" would not happen.

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I think you need to rewrite that, however much I like it.


Why?

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Because you can't READ!


The idea never enters the head of sane decent folk.

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You mean the idea of correcting your post when you use a double
negative in a sentence so that it reverses your meaning?


You think adults having sex with children is just fine if the child
"wants it".

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No, we think kids having sex with adults is just fine if the kids want
it,


that's what I said..thank you for confirming it.

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No, that's NOT what you said, and we explained that, you coward!!
Here it is again:

"No, we think kids having sex with adults is just fine if the kids want
it, not if they "want it". Your quotes represent the pretense that kids
can never really want sex, and that's the biggest lie in this society.

Can someone coerce a child into thinking they want to?? Sure, but NOT
under parental and community oversight."


not if they "want it".


make your mind up..

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Here it is again, you asshole coward:

"No, we think kids having sex with adults is just fine if the kids want
it, not if they "want it". Your quotes represent the pretense that kids
can never really want sex, and that's the biggest lie in this society.

Can someone coerce a child into thinking they want to?? Sure, but NOT
under parental and community oversight."


Your quotes represent the pretense that kids
can never really want sex, and that's the biggest lie in this society.


The quotes acknowledge that which you deny.

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No, your quotes try to twist our belief and intent from our experience
of being kids who wanted and liked sex and who, years later, STILL knew
that we wanted and liked it quite correctly back then!!


Grooming kids to "want" sex with pedophiles is the pedophiles stock in
trade.

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Except that isn't what we're recommending. Your delusion is that ALL
sex with children must be of that kind, even with kids who actively
WANTED sex long BEFORE that and wouldn't even NEED any such "grooming".


Can someone coerce a child into thinking they want to?? Sure, but NOT
under parental and community oversight.


That is EXACTLY what pedophiles avoid.

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Which is why we want community and family sexual activities, one word
for that being incest.


You think fathers ****ing their daughters equally just fine if the
child "wants it"

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No, we think daughters ****ing their fathers is just fine if she wants
it, not if she "wants it". Your quotes represent the pretense that kids
can never really want sex, and that's the biggest lie in this society.


Again you ignore the fact that training kids to "want" it is the
pedophile's stock in trade.

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And NOT that of other people. Well it's the OTHER people we are and
speak for!


Can someone coerce a child into thinking they want to?? Sure, but NOT
under parental and community oversight.


Now you are robotically churning out you "position statements" again.

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You're doing the same thing, you distractionist disinformationalist
liar.


Community oversight into a father and daughter in their dwelling
place?

What the **** are you babbling about?

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The only reason you wouldn't even know is because you don't pay
attention, you just blather your religious regurgitation.

You COULD have known many months back. The others here know what
I want, and some share it.


You argue perpetually against pedophiles changing their ways
and for adult/child sex relationships.

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No one here is talking about pedophiles but you,


Read the thread k00k....do you even know what the subject line refers
to?

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Yes, how YOU "got it wrong", you dumb****.


and that's because
you seek to use the fiction that we are in that category, which you
prefer because it is an emotionally loaded term that is used mindlessly
by idiots who think like you.


The OP refers to ten year olds being mature enough to have sex.

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Gee, *I* was when *I* was ten!!


You argue vehemently against the very idea that incest victims should
break away from the parents who abuse them and decry the very idea of
pedophile's victims, or incestor's victims receiving therapy for their
sexual abuse, even going as far as to suggest it's harmful for
children to disclose their ongoing sexual abuse.

-------------------------------
If it is actually abuse, meaning coercion, then of course they should,
but if it something they enjoy, then following your advice could
destroy them when they realize how you've misled them and what they
did to their sex-friends.


Children have no business having adult "sex-friends" pervert.

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Of course they do if they want to. You're a ****-****ing asshole.


Now just what do you think that makes you in the eyes of normal folk?

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Brainwashed Fundies are NOT "normal folk". They are irrational and
brainless who regurgitate everything that was rammed down their throats.
THEY are the ones who are "groomed" to obey/be abused by
your sick delusions.


Objection to adults having sex with children is not the sole
prerogative of "brainwashed fundies k00k.

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No, many other forms of disordered thinking are found in that group.
That's why they are ignorant distorted brainwashed Fundies.


That is just your lame attempt garner support for your sick fantasies
of pedophiles eventually ruling the earth.

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If you killed all the pedophiles it wouldn't affect me or the people
*I* care about in any way! EVERYBODY is attracted to children sexually.
Most people have been made afraid to admit it. Pedophiles have a creepy
mental disorder that fixates themselves on children alone, and which
deludes them as to the child's desires. This is why some of them molest
and rape.


People who are not thus defective can be reasoned with, and they can
easily see that if a child enjoys something and was not coerced, that
they should be VERY reluctant to interfere with their life-choices.


Sure Steve, sane folk should be reluctant to interfere with pedophiles
sexually abusing their children..

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Your notion that anyone a child wants to have sex with is magically a
pedophile is brainwashed antisex delusional fundy-ism incarnate.

And gee, I had little or no trouble over the years getting my point
across to hundreds of married couples and parents who had become
interested in groupsex and family sex. The difference between
themselves and pedophiles was quite obvious to them.


Meanwhile back on earth..

How are the plans for mass public rapes going on?

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Deprogramming. We'll just wing it.
Steve
 




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