Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud

On Jan 5, 11:31 am, LK wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:55 am, firemonkey wrote:



On Jan 5, 10:50 am, Greegor wrote:

On Jan 5, 7:46 am, " krp" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message

...

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for
one.
Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of
a crime?

When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a
court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to
provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right,
but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due
Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.

Despicable is obsessing over things like that.

Lester, you are either a horses ass or belong to the same special club
greeg is in.

KRP No Ronny IF [Greg] had gotten his own lawyer
KRP his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to
KRP appear and take part as a party. Maybe you
KRP should bone up on the law a bit before shooting
KRP your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has
KRP had problems as well with these
KRP "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have
KRP eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO
KRP SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of
KRP Due Process. *The ONLY reason this **** is
KRP still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't
KRP picked up a case to attack those draconian
KRP laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying
KRP the accused an opportunity to be heard and
KRP defend himself except to you CPS Nazis.

G Holding a trial with the accused not present,
G not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

G It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

FM Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes
FM daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter.

LK Despicable is obsessing over things like that.

FM Lester, you are either a horses ass or
LK belong to the same special club greeg is in.

Firemonkey's answer to denial of due process
is to assert GUILT.

With Firemonkey, It's all about impulse
and reactions, not thought.

Just like that freshwater crayfish where you
put a can or a cup behind it and frighten it.
They rocket backwards right into the container.

Impulse not thought.

Firemonkey defends her status as a beneficiary of some kind.

Impulse not thought.

On Jan 5, 1:08*pm, firemonkey wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:31 am, LK wrote:

On Jan 5, 11:55 am, firemonkey wrote:

On Jan 5, 10:50 am, Greegor wrote:

On Jan 5, 7:46 am, " krp" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message

...

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point..

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. *Was Gregg allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? *No. *He can get his own attorney, but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for
one.
* * Ah Ronny *- YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

* * But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." *Also thanks for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

* * No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. *Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of
a crime?

* * When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a
court appointed lawyer". *He wasn't, and the state was not required to
provide one. *Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right,
but it was his choice not to. *Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

* * No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due
Process. *The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.

Despicable is obsessing over things like that.

Lester, you are either a horses ass or belong to the same special club
greeg is in.

Do you get some sort of a rise out of that?

On Jan 5, 1:02 pm, LK wrote:
On Jan 5, 1:08 pm, firemonkey wrote:



On Jan 5, 11:31 am, LK wrote:

On Jan 5, 11:55 am, firemonkey wrote:

On Jan 5, 10:50 am, Greegor wrote:

On Jan 5, 7:46 am, " krp" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message

...

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for
one.
Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of
a crime?

When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a
court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to
provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right,
but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due
Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.

Despicable is obsessing over things like that.

Lester, you are either a horses ass or belong to the same special club
greeg is in.

Do you get some sort of a rise out of that?

No, but one can't help but wonder why you (who we believe we have
uncovered as
living in Iowa in a little town with some Hansons) would want folks to
ignore domestic abuse, possible sexual abuse, and deliberately
choosing
to do things that kept Lisa's daughter from coming back to her mother
for coming on 7 years now.

How far do you and greeg go back? More than 7 years?
Did you use to visit greeg in his soccer dad days?

"ASSmonkey" wrote in message
...

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg
allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney,
but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use
for
one.
Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an
attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but
even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the
state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST
STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford
one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging
several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of
doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same
SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter
sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks
for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you
WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can
keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't
either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell
its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme
Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE
PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with
absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being
convicted of
a crime?

When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled
to a
court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required
to
provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT
right,
but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT
have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should
bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court
has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have
eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack
of Due
Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the
ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is
justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend
himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.

Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so
sure that he did that?

On Jan 5, 4:19*pm, " krp" wrote:
"ASSmonkey" wrote in message

...





KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. *Was Gregg
allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? *No. *He can get his own attorney,
but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use
for
one.
* * Ah Ronny *- YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an
attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but
even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the
state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

* * But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST
STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford
one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging
several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of
doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same
SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter
sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." *Also thanks
for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you
WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can
keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't
either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell
its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

* * No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme
Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. *Fundamental lack of DUE
PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with
absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being
convicted of
a crime?

* * When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled
to a
court appointed lawyer". *He wasn't, and the state was not required
to
provide one. *Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT
right,
but it was his choice not to. *Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

* * No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT
have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should
bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court
has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have
eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack
of Due
Process. *The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the
ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is
justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend
himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.

Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so
sure that he did that?

greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce.

Ask him what happened.

SPELLKOP
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
...:

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than
Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg
allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney,
but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use
for
one.
Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an
attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court.
How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but
even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the
state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST
STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot
afford
one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging
several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of
doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same
SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter
sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks
for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you
WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can
keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't
either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the
hell
its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme
Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE
PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with
absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being
convicted of
a crime?

When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled
to a
court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required
to
provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT
right,
but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT
have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should
bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme
Court
has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have
eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack
of Due
Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far
the
ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is
justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend
himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.

Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be
so
sure that he did that?

greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce. Ask him what happened.

"Abuce?" No Attorney Sullivan he was NOT a party to the dependency
action and therefore could NOT challenge any such finding had one been made.
As I understand it no final determination has yet been made. However he
lacks standing under Iowa laws to be heard OR represented in the process.
Much less, if indigent he is NOT entitled to have a lawyer appointed for
him. AGAIN - Attorney Sullivan it is a little thing called "DUE PROCESS." It
is the central reason that many state Supreme Courts have ruled abuse
registries to be "Unconstitutional." Even the U.S. Supreme Court in
Santosky set evidence standards that people like you HATE and try to thwart.
(Clear and convincing.) Tell us again why it should NOT apply in dependency
cases Danny!

On Jan 5, 4:52*pm, " krp" wrote:
SPELLKOP"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message

...:



KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than
Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg
allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney,
but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use
for
one.
Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an
attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court.
How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but
even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the
state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST
STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot
afford
one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging
several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of
doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same
SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter
sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks
for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you
WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can
keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't
either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the
hell
its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme
Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE
PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with
absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being
convicted of
a crime?

When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled
to a
court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required
to
provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT
right,
but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT
have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should
bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme
Court
has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have
eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack
of Due
Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far
the
ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is
justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend
himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.
Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be
so
sure that he did that?
greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce. Ask him what happened.

* * "Abuce?" No Attorney Sullivan he was NOT a party to the dependency
action and therefore could NOT challenge any such finding had one been made.

greg could have challenged the finding CPS made against him.

As I understand it no final determination has yet been made.

Iowa CPA has determined the greg abused Lisa Watkins little girl.

However he
lacks standing under Iowa laws to be heard OR represented in the process.

As the subject of the report he can challenge the finding.

Do you not know that, piggy?


Much less, if indigent he is NOT entitled to have a lawyer appointed for
him.

Is greg indigent?

AGAIN - Attorney Sullivan it is a little thing called "DUE PROCESS." It
is the central reason that many state Supreme Courts have ruled abuse
registries to be "Unconstitutional." *

Has the State Registry in Iowa been declared "Unconstitutional?"

On Jan 5, 3:19 pm, " krp" wrote:
"ASSmonkey" wrote in message

...





KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg
allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney,
but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use
for
one.
Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an
attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but
even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the
state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST
STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford
one.
SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging
several
facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of
doing was
no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same
SOCIAL
WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter
sit on
his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks
for
acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you
WEENIES
try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can
keep
this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't
either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell
its
just a bit of paper, right kenny?

No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme
Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE
PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with
absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!
Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being
convicted of
a crime?

When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled
to a
court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required
to
provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT
right,
but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your
opinion kenny?

No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT
have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should
bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court
has
had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have
eroded
some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack
of Due
Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the
ACLU
hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is
justice
served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend
himself
except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.

Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so
sure that he did that?

keenie, here is the 2nd page of the founded child abuse form from the
state of Iowa, taken off that states own website.Pay close attention
to the paragraph tittled:
REQUESTS FOR CORRECTION OF A CHILD PROTECTION ASSESSMENT SUMMARY:

greeg had 6 months to appeal the findings, he could have hired an
attorney at any time within the allotted 6 months.

You are a legal joke panborn


Incident Number:
SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS:
Treatment services were recommended or continued (DHS or other
agency).
Juvenile court action was recommended or continued.
ACCESS TO CHILD ABUSE INFORMATION: A subject of a child protection
assessment summary has the right to
receive information from that summary. "Subjects" include the child
victim; person allegedly responsible for the
abuse; parent, guardian, or custodian of a child named as abused in
the report; and a lawyer representing any subject.
If you are a subject and did not receive the written summary with this
notice, you may request the summary by
completing the section below and returning it to the county DHS office
at the address on this notice. A limited number
of professionals or agencies may also receive child abuse information
under certain circumstances, but confidentiality
of child abuse information is protected by law. The mandatory reporter
may request a copy of founded child abuse
assessments. [Legal reference: Iowa Code section 235A.15(2)]
Name of requester:
Address:
Relationship to child(ren) named in the report:
REDISSEMINATION: A person who receives child abuse information may not
give that information to another
person (redisseminate it) unless permitted by law. If you give child
abuse information to another person, you need to
make a written record of this action and send it within 30 days to the
Central Abuse Registry, 5th Floor, 1305 E
Walnut Street, Des Moines, Iowa 50319-0114. [Legal reference: Iowa
Code section 235A.17(1)]
CRIMINAL PENALTIES: Any person who attempts to obtain child abuse
information under false pretenses, who
gives false child abuse information, or who violates any laws on the
release of child abuse information may be charged
with a misdemeanor. [Legal reference: Iowa Code section 235A.21]
EFFECT OF A FOUNDED CHILD ABUSE REPORT: A founded child abuse record
is not a criminal conviction. If
you are determined to be responsible for the abuse of a child and your
name is placed on the Central Abuse Registry,
you may be prohibited from providing child care or foster care for
children. You may also be prohibited from
adopting a child, working in a child care facility, or caring for a
dependent adult. Any prohibition will depend on the
Department's evaluation of the child protection summary. [Legal
reference: Iowa Code sections 125.14A(2),
135C.33, 135H.7(2), 218.13, 232.71D, 235A.15, 237.8, 237A.5 and 236A.
5]
REQUESTS FOR CORRECTION OF A CHILD PROTECTION ASSESSMENT SUMMARY: If
you are the subject
of a child abuse report and you believe that the conclusion or any
part of the summary is in error, you may request
correction of the information. To make such a request, you must send a
written and signed statement which tells why
you disagree with the summary or conclusions within six months of the
date on this notice. Requests for correction
should be sent to the Appeals Section, 1305 E Walnut Street, Des
Moines, Iowa 50319-0114, to request an
administrative hearing. [Legal reference: Iowa Code section 235A.19]
ADDENDUM SUMMARY: If an addendum changes the findings of the original
assessment, you have six months
from the date of this notice to request a correction. If it does not
change the findings, the six-month period to request
a review is based on the date of your original notice. Please follow
those directions if you choose to proceed with the
appeal process.

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
...

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than
Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse,
greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg
allowed
to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own
attorney,
but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a
use
for
one.
Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an
attorney
and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court.
How
QUAINT!
I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny,
but
even
you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the
state has
no requirement to provide an attorney, right?

But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST
STATES
is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot
afford
one. Should I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for
acknowledging
several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was
accused of
doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS.
The same
SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his
daughter
sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina."
Also thanks
for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as
you
WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST
HUMANITY - we can
keep this admission in mind.

YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states
don't either.
Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the
hell
its just a bit of paper, right kenny?

No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been
decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme
Courts
and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be
"UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE
PROCESS!

Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with
absolutely
NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY!

Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being
convicted of a crime?

When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny!

The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been
entitled to a
court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not
required to
provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has
THAT right,
but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in
your opinion kenny?

No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT
have
been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should
bone up
on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme
Court
has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings
and have
eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because
of the lack
of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that
so far
the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws.
In NO WAY is
justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard
and defend
himself except to you CPS Nazis.

Holding a trial with the accused not present,
not allowed to cross examine is despicable.

It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process.

Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and
your girlfriends daughter.


Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU
beso
sure that he did that?

greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce. Ask him what
happened.

"Abuce?" No Attorney Sullivan he was NOT a party to the dependency
action and therefore could NOT challenge any such finding had one been
made.

greg could have challenged the finding CPS made against him.

No dip**** he could NOT. He was not permitted to have a lawyer appear
for him or to he HEARD at all. By LAW he was not a party to the dependency
action, only the mother was allowed a lawyer and to be heard. Gregg was NOT!

As I understand it no final determination has yet been made.

Iowa CPA has determined the greg abused Lisa Watkins little girl.

But the COURTS have not. That some whackadoodle social worker has made
such a finding only matters to CPS agents like yourself and Ron. The matter
is till pending before the courts as I understand it. The SAD thing is that
Gregg hasn't the legan standing to challenge their finding. He's NOT a
party! He CANNOT defend the claims.

However he lacks standing under Iowa laws to be heard OR represented in
the process.

As the subject of the report he can challenge the finding. Do you not know
that, piggy?

No ATTORNEY Sullivan you are wrong again. He does NOT have "party
status" to challenge anything. You are 100% wrong AGAIN with your LEGAL
OPINIONS! It is because of THAT FACT that state after state Supreme Court
had rules the Abuse registried UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Much less, if indigent he is NOT entitled to have a lawyer appointed for
him.

Is greg indigent?

Apparently he can't afford a lawyer of his own.

AGAIN - Attorney Sullivan it is a little thing called "DUE PROCESS." It
is the central reason that many state Supreme Courts have ruled abuse
registries to be "Unconstitutional."

Has the State Registry in Iowa been declared "Unconstitutional?"

As such, NO, BUT some aspects of it have been found to be void and
rules imposed on CPS. The ONLY reason that it hasn't been found to be
unconstitutional yet is that the ACLU or some other legal entity has not
argued a case yet. But MANY states have Danny the LAWYER wannabe!