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Some opinions on hospital policy, please...
"Irish Marie" wrote Is there any come back with the hospital authorities if this happens, I am shocked that they could totally ignore your wishes! Marie Mine were ignored in the Rotunda. The excuse given was that they felt it was medically necessary (and this is a maternity hospital striving for the WHO certification!). I wasn't in a fit state to argue at the time. /shakes head :-( Did you ever consider any comeback complaints on them? Marie Only recently. I need to get hold of the charts before I do anything though. The problem wasn't the hospital policy, that couldn't be faulted. But individuals interpreted the policy in a different manner to that intended and by doing so caused a lot of damage. Jean -- "And he said: Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, and though they are with you, yet they belong not to you." Khalil Gibran Return address is unread. Replies to firstnamelastname @eircom.net. |
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"Iuil" wrote in message ... "Irish Marie" wrote Is there any come back with the hospital authorities if this happens, I am shocked that they could totally ignore your wishes! Marie Mine were ignored in the Rotunda. The excuse given was that they felt it was medically necessary (and this is a maternity hospital striving for the WHO certification!). I wasn't in a fit state to argue at the time. /shakes head :-( Did you ever consider any comeback complaints on them? Marie Only recently. I need to get hold of the charts before I do anything though. The problem wasn't the hospital policy, that couldn't be faulted. But individuals interpreted the policy in a different manner to that intended and by doing so caused a lot of damage. In these type of cases though that's nearly always the problem?! I reckon that hospital policies are lip-service most of the time. Having read through those bf books I'm now convinced that the nurses that told me Ciarán was latching on correctly were misinforming me, it's weird the way reading through the books have triggered memories and I do remember being concerned that I wasn't latching him on right. The descriptions I have read as to how to latch are totally different to how I did it. /shrug Just got to try harder. I really hope that you can achieve something with the Rotunda. Good luck Marie |
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"Anne Robotti" wrote in message ... On 17 Jul 2003 08:41:10 -0600, wrote: Then, I went to the baby care class. That class was taught by one of the mother/baby nurses (the ones who care for you after delivery). While she had BFed her children and was pretty pro-BF, she offered conflicting information. The one thing that bothered me most was that she said that if you had a big baby (her definition was over 8 lbs), colostrum would not be enough to satisify them and they would be wailing from hunger. She said that in these situations they let them sip an ounce of two of formula from a cup so that they feel full. Another Mom-to-be must of had a problem with this as well because she asked if they would do this without permission from the mother. The nurse made some kind of comment like 'you don't have to do it - but you'll be the one dealing with the starving baby.' WTF?! I've had three babies - one over nine pounds, one eight pounds, one seven and a half. My experiences were as follows: First of all, by the time Victoria was born, I knew enough not to let her leave the room. Both previous times, although I specified breastfeeding, teh nurses had given supplements. That's the best way to insure that your baby gets no supplements. Second of all, I made a plan with Victoria that I would take the first few days and lie in bed and breastfeed and drink water. She fed constantly those first two days. My milk was in by the time I left the hospital, and my lochia had all but disappeared! I think some people equate "eating constantly" with "starving" and I just don't think it's so! The baby eats, the baby quickly gets hungry, the baby eats again. That's hardly starving, that's what I still do today! Plan for a lactation consultant to come in the first day for a while, so that you can get your latch correct right away. I think it's discouraging with a big baby if you don't, because the baby eats so often that latch problems are magnified. It appears that I have a good chance of having a large baby (DH and I were both 9 lbs and this one seems on the large side), so I'm afraid that they are going to try to push the formula thing on me. They seem to think that since they aren't using a bottle and nipple, it's not a problem. I'm worried that I'm just going to be so overwhelmed that I'll just follow anything they say and that might not be the best thing for baby. I just want to know if I'm right in thinking that this is unnecessary so that I feel confident when I tell the nurse that I don't want my baby to have any formula. If it doesn't seem like a big deal to anyone else then I won't worry about it. You know, I've delivered a nine pound baby and it's not easy. Delivering any baby isn't really what I'd call easy. And if you have complications (I had a c-section with Brooke) you might very well feel overwhelmed and frightened and unsure of everything you thought you knew. I may be alone in this, but I think that one of the keys to getting off on the right foot with breastfeeding is successful pain management during labor. I never got on top of the pain with Brooke, my labor was a horrifying experience which set me up for breastfeeding problems, post-partum depression and a complete lack of bonding with her for several weeks. I never thought of it this way, but I agree. If you are shell shocked about the labor experience, you cannot get on with the baby experience. I'm not saying "Get the epidural now, what are you waiting for?" From everything I have read, it's about education, education, education. Lots of folks manage the pain with other things. But I would tend to agree with you that preparation is very important. But the fewer preconceived notions you have about how you are and aren't going to manage pain, the better off you're likely to be. My experience only. Anne |
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"Irish Marie" wrote in message ... "Anne Robotti" wrote in message ... On 17 Jul 2003 08:41:10 -0600, wrote: First of all, by the time Victoria was born, I knew enough not to let her leave the room. Both previous times, although I specified breastfeeding, teh nurses had given supplements. That's the best way to insure that your baby gets no supplements. Is there any come back with the hospital authorities if this happens, I am shocked that they could totally ignore your wishes! Marie Law suit. That is why you have to get the birth wishes IN THE CHART. Chart is law. Even then, a law suit would be a tad daft in this case unless it somehow wound up being a landmark case. But in any event, hospitals are afraid of lawsuits. S |
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It appears that I have a good chance of having a large baby (DH and I were
both 9 lbs and this one seems on the large side), so I'm afraid that they are going to try to push the formula thing on me. They seem to think that since they aren't using a bottle and nipple, it's not a problem. I'm worried that I'm just going to be so overwhelmed that I'll just follow anything they say and that might not be the best thing for baby. I just want to know if I'm right in thinking that this is unnecessary so that I feel confident when I tell the nurse that I don't want my baby to have any formula. If it doesn't seem like a big deal to anyone else then I won't worry about it. Thanks, Manda my DS was 10lbs 7oz and did great bf-ing. he went to 18.5 months. never a drop of formula. My new DD was 10lbs 5oz and is doing nursing great!! at 4 weeks she is over 13-1/2lbs. i was really ticked off in the hospital when they gave her an oz of formula without asking me first!! they said her bloodsugar was low...i threw a fit!! of course i was hormonal at the time but you should make it known to the nursery that you don't want *any* formula given without your consent first. (if that's your desire..) i would say it is individual - if you have a supply problem or something, that would be different. good luck to you... JoAnna (lousy typer with baby on lap...) |
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When I had my son 3 months ago he was 7 pounds 12 ounces. He was a little
early at 36 weeks. His sugar kept on dropping. They gave him a bottle without asking me because it got to low. I was upset at first because I was afraid it would affect his nursing. Plus they gave him a milk based formula and milk allergies run in my family. He was nursing constantly and was not satisfied with the colostrum. He was constantly on my breast. I understand that he needed some formula to keep his sugar up. Once my milk came in he did fine. We were both so happy. Kris wrote in message ... Hello, I've been primarily lurking here for the past few years and posted a couple of times. I'm expecting my first any day now (already 3cm dilated, but not due until the 7th). I went and did all the classes at my hospital including breastfeeding, baby care, and prepared childbirth. This hospital (and the local area) is pretty pro-BF - about 90% of mothers start BFing in the hospital. The breastfeeding class was taught by a lactation consultant. The hospital has a whole team of LCs to help new mothers. She explained the problems with supplementing and how that could cause supply problems, etc - her whole lecture pretty much was in sync with what I have learned from reading this group. Then, I went to the baby care class. That class was taught by one of the mother/baby nurses (the ones who care for you after delivery). While she had BFed her children and was pretty pro-BF, she offered conflicting information. The one thing that bothered me most was that she said that if you had a big baby (her definition was over 8 lbs), colostrum would not be enough to satisify them and they would be wailing from hunger. She said that in these situations they let them sip an ounce of two of formula from a cup so that they feel full. Another Mom-to-be must of had a problem with this as well because she asked if they would do this without permission from the mother. The nurse made some kind of comment like 'you don't have to do it - but you'll be the one dealing with the starving baby.' So, I have a few problems with this. First of all, everything I've seen says that colostrum is plenty of nourishment for your baby over the first few days until your milk comes in. I can't imagine why an 8 lb baby would be any different. Plus, if the baby is crying to be fed, shouldn't you just put him to your breast? It seems like that's probably what he wants and don't you need the stimulation to help your milk come in and to determine the supply? It appears that I have a good chance of having a large baby (DH and I were both 9 lbs and this one seems on the large side), so I'm afraid that they are going to try to push the formula thing on me. They seem to think that since they aren't using a bottle and nipple, it's not a problem. I'm worried that I'm just going to be so overwhelmed that I'll just follow anything they say and that might not be the best thing for baby. I just want to know if I'm right in thinking that this is unnecessary so that I feel confident when I tell the nurse that I don't want my baby to have any formula. If it doesn't seem like a big deal to anyone else then I won't worry about it. Thanks, Manda |
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Yep it would be a nine pounder and she was also tested for hypoglycemia, but
she wasn't low and I didn't get any flack about giving sugar water or formula. -- Sue mom to three girls Hillary Israeli wrote in message ... In , Sue wrote: *Hi Manda, * *Congratulations on your upcoming new arrival. * *Yes, the information you received is not accurate. I had an 8 lb 16 oz baby Wouldn't that be a nine pounder, then? My son was 8 lbs 15 oz, and my hospital's policy was to test all babies 9 lbs and over for hypoglycemia. They decided he was close enough to be tested (protocol violation!) and he tested low (allegedly. I had them repeat it on a different machine because I didn't believe the result [it was really really dangerously low IMO] and it was significantly higher! But long story short they insisted I give him some formula rather than nurse him. They were going to forcibly remove him to the NICU and put him on an IV dextrose drip if I did not, so, you can imagine I gave in and gave him the formula. I wrote a very strongly worded letter to the hospital after that. My OB totally couldn't believe the way they handled it, either, btw. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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Thank you all for your opinions. It seems that I'm basically on the right
track with what I'm thinking. I'll have to spend a little time making sure DH understands how important this is so that he'll be able to fend off formula-wielding nurses as well. Manda |
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