2ND Tasering reported 12yo girl hooky player

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message ...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

Chris C. (non spanker by choice) replied:

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message
...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism
for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's
mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.




Reply: This case, of course, has national implications. Someone also reported
that tasers are not supposed to be utilized where the subject is less than 60
lbs.

Supposedly the little boy weighed 53 lbs. Now, while I know the LEO cannot
weigh the child, I also know they undego training to enable them to disarm
folks without using weapons.

By that reasoning, Lavonne should have tasered the 4 yo who attacked her.

Wonder why he attacked her?

No child ever attacked me in my professional career.

Chris C. wrote: BTW, where is the Chris Dugan? ON hiatus, found a full-time
job, or just thoroughly discredited?


Subject: 2ND Tasering reported 12yo girl hooky player
From: (Chris C.)
Date: 11/16/2004 11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message
...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism
for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's
mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

Chris C.

You are the one who has for years been claiming there is a cohort on
alt.parenting.spanking. Kane, I, and others have attempted to refute
this, telling you that this is not a cohort. While we may share a
common goal to protect children from physical assault in the form of
spanking, we have many different ideas about how this shoud happen, and
we often disagree with each other.

Kane's and my dialogue should put to rest any cohort claims. I would
not expect to see that claim from you again, considering your advanced
degrees and understanding of intelligent debate.

LaVonne

Chris C. wrote:

Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message ...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

From what I have been able to look up Ms. Carlson you are the only one
providing misinformation on this group. I would never take a class
from such a dishonest and manipulative teacher. You have nothing to
offer but your hypocrisy and your propaganda. I believe the term
cohort fits you and Mr. Kane well. I'm sure the collective here agrees
(and in your world that's all that matters). Stop attacking those you
can't even refute.-Jim

Carlson LaVonne wrote in message ...
Chris C.

You are the one who has for years been claiming there is a cohort on
alt.parenting.spanking. Kane, I, and others have attempted to refute
this, telling you that this is not a cohort. While we may share a
common goal to protect children from physical assault in the form of
spanking, we have many different ideas about how this shoud happen, and
we often disagree with each other.

Kane's and my dialogue should put to rest any cohort claims. I would
not expect to see that claim from you again, considering your advanced
degrees and understanding of intelligent debate.

LaVonne

Chris C. wrote:

Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message ...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

Fern & Chris C.,

I find it nice to see people that can express themselves without fear
or intimidation. Does that clique like to turn people into CPS for not
agreeing with them on this group? Let me know. I have several other
groups I can recruit people to post in here. --Maybe they will leave
if the group floods them out.-Jim



(Fern5827) wrote in message ...
Chris C. (non spanker by choice) replied:

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message
...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism
for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's
mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.




Reply: This case, of course, has national implications. Someone also reported
that tasers are not supposed to be utilized where the subject is less than 60
lbs.

Supposedly the little boy weighed 53 lbs. Now, while I know the LEO cannot
weigh the child, I also know they undego training to enable them to disarm
folks without using weapons.

By that reasoning, Lavonne should have tasered the 4 yo who attacked her.

Wonder why he attacked her?

No child ever attacked me in my professional career.

Chris C. wrote: BTW, where is the Chris Dugan? ON hiatus, found a full-time
job, or just thoroughly discredited?


Subject: 2ND Tasering reported 12yo girl hooky player
From: (Chris C.)
Date: 11/16/2004 11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message
...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism
for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's
mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

By "that clique" I assume you mean those of us who oppose spanking and
other forms of corporal punishment as a discipline technique. I don't
know of anyone who has turned people into CPS for not agreeing,
including those of us who view corporal punishment and spanking as
assault and believe all forms of corporal punishment should be legally
banned. It would be very difficult to turn someone "into CPS" based on
what is said on a non-moderated ng.

This ng was formed around 1994 and was mean to be a ng designated for
the purpose of discussing the pro's and con's of spanking, and
alternative discipline strategies. I have been a regular poster on the
ng shortly after it was formed.

Recruiting other people to post here is a good idea, providing they stay
on topic and hopefully refrain from name calling and personal insults.
I doubt that this would convince those of us who have been around for
years and who are fairly regular posters to leave. I know I would
welcome honest debate with new individuals.

LaVonne

jcalhoun wrote:

Fern & Chris C.,

I find it nice to see people that can express themselves without fear
or intimidation. Does that clique like to turn people into CPS for not
agreeing with them on this group? Let me know. I have several other
groups I can recruit people to post in here. --Maybe they will leave
if the group floods them out.-Jim



(Fern5827) wrote in message ...

Chris C. (non spanker by choice) replied:


Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message
...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism

for

its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's

mother,

Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.



Reply: This case, of course, has national implications. Someone also reported
that tasers are not supposed to be utilized where the subject is less than 60
lbs.

Supposedly the little boy weighed 53 lbs. Now, while I know the LEO cannot
weigh the child, I also know they undego training to enable them to disarm
folks without using weapons.

By that reasoning, Lavonne should have tasered the 4 yo who attacked her.

Wonder why he attacked her?

No child ever attacked me in my professional career.

Chris C. wrote: BTW, where is the Chris Dugan? ON hiatus, found a full-time
job, or just thoroughly discredited?



Subject: 2ND Tasering reported 12yo girl hooky player
From: (Chris C.)
Date: 11/16/2004 11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message
...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism

for

its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's

mother,

Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

And what exactly have you been able to look up? And exactly what
misinformation have I provided on alt.parenting.spanking?

As far as never taking a class from me, I suspect that will never be a
problem. You would have to apply to my university and be accepted into
the licensure program. This is a moot point.

You believe the term "cohort" fits Kane and I. That's okay. You can
believe whatever you want to believe. If you read the definition of
"cohort" you will realize that this term is inappropriate. Kane and I
disagree about many things, and this was evident on the ng dialogue
between Kane and I. What I think we do not disagree on is the idea of
spanking as an appropriate way to discipline children.

By the way, if you are uncomfortable using first names (Ms. Carlson; Mr.
Kane), I would suggest you use the correct salutation for me. The
correct salutation is Dr. Carlson. However, I prefer to be called LaVonne.

Thank you.

LaVonne



jcalhoun wrote:

From what I have been able to look up Ms. Carlson you are the only one
providing misinformation on this group. I would never take a class
from such a dishonest and manipulative teacher. You have nothing to
offer but your hypocrisy and your propaganda. I believe the term
cohort fits you and Mr. Kane well. I'm sure the collective here agrees
(and in your world that's all that matters). Stop attacking those you
can't even refute.-Jim

Carlson LaVonne wrote in message ...

Chris C.

You are the one who has for years been claiming there is a cohort on
alt.parenting.spanking. Kane, I, and others have attempted to refute
this, telling you that this is not a cohort. While we may share a
common goal to protect children from physical assault in the form of
spanking, we have many different ideas about how this shoud happen, and
we often disagree with each other.

Kane's and my dialogue should put to rest any cohort claims. I would
not expect to see that claim from you again, considering your advanced
degrees and understanding of intelligent debate.

LaVonne

Chris C. wrote:


Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it). I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault. lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Non-spanker by choice,
Chris C.
TX


"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message ...


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old boy's mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

On 16 Nov 2004 08:40:14 -0800, (Chris C.) wrote:

Fern-

Notice how quickly the "cohort" turned on each other in this one (I
love it).

Of course you do, because you project your mindset and biases on our
exchange. I don't feel the least bit attacked by LaVonne, and I
presume she'd tell me if she felt attacked by me.

I am sure, for instance, that we both seek, even in the points of our
disagreement, the safety of the child as the first order of business.

LaVonne and I don't even agree on child rearing discipline methods.
I'm something of a purist on non-PUNISHMENT, not just non-physical
punishment.

If I read LaVonne correctly, she advocates some aversive responses. I
can't recall the ones she's suggested. So far she hasn't come back at
me claiming I'm attacking her, as in "turned on each other" nor do I
feel attacked by her because she disagrees with me.

The difference in our exchange, compared to those I have with just a
few of "the collective" of compulsives, is that I don't consider
LaVonne mentally disabled, and I do you. I don't consider her stupid,
and I do you. I don't consider her a compulsive or any kind of liar,
and I do you, both. I don't consider her ignorant, and I do you.

We could disagree even more, as some of the people in this and other
ngs and I disagree more on this issue, and I'd still not feel
attacked, nor would I be attacking them.

I only attack the dangerous. And I consider you that.

I even see lav and kane advocating what they used to call
assault.

Really? Please show us this adocating of assault.

lav even shares a personal assault case she perp'd during her
career. I wonder if there had been a parent or court advocate to
press
charges how she would have defended herself (as they claim the
non-existent reasonable force statutes--hummm...food for
thought---such hypocrits).

Restraint is not assault.

Do you then, given LaVonne's statement below, claim that the restraint
she describes should not be used on children and that it is assault?

In the instance she described exactly what method would you use to
keep the child, and others safe, without restraint? And don't say,
time out...because you have to move the child to that time out if they
do not wish to go...as an out of control child will not...you have to
restrain them to move them.

Are you ready? GO!

I await your answer.

Nor is a cop applying force assault unless it meets the legal
criteria. And every time they use force they risk the charge of
assault. Damn brave folks. I have written Miami and congratulated the
officers and urged the policy makers to go very carefully in review of
the use of taser and this case and not get carried away by idiots such
as you playing politics with people's lives. In both instances neither
child was hurt. And they are alive.

Non-spanker by choice,

How many children do you have, Chris C.?

I own no part of the moon, and I don't go there, by choice. Is that a
special quality I have then? Or could it be I can't get there?

Chris C.
TX

You better be a non-spanker if you have no kids. You go around spankig
other's children or grownups and you'll wind up where I think you'd
deserve to be, in jail. And the law agrees with me.

Your "choice" would be between non-spanking and going to jail.
Whoppdeedoo.

Kane

"I too have worked extensively with children, but rather than the
majority of my experience being with teens it has been in young
children, especially children under the age of seven. Of course an
out
of control 6 year old needs to be subdued, but with the number of
adults
present in this situation, this could have been accomplished without
electric shock. I experienced stitches from a severely disturbed
four
year old before I could reach him and hold him. I had no other
adults
to help me and seven other children were present. While stitches in
my
scalp weren't particularly pleasant, this injury was not life
threatening to me, and I was able to subdue the child without
hitting/hurting him or exposing him to a potentially lethal electric
shock."-lav


(Fern5827) wrote in message ...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...childtasered,0
,1981442.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

"The first incident had already exposed the department to more
criticism for
its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater
numbers to
officers.

"The police could have handled this better,'' said the 6-year-old
boy's mother,
Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him.''

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second
incident, the
department will review its policy. " Email story


Oy Vey! But let Momma try that? Straight to DCF and its helpful
ministrations.

(jcalhoun) wrote in message . com...
Fern & Chris C.,

I find it nice to see people that can express themselves without fear
or intimidation. Does that clique like to turn people into CPS for not
agreeing with them on this group? Let me know. I have several other
groups I can recruit people to post in here. --Maybe they will leave
if the group floods them out.-Jim

snip.....a lot of Chris C./Fern babbling prattle..........

Well, that WAS why Chris C., unable by lack of intellect and honesty
and too cowardly to debate the issues and admit when his arguments
were weak and defeated, appealed to the mob by crossposting to the
religious ngs.

"If the group floods them out" you will have obviously won the debate
on spanking by presenting a factual, reasoned, and logical
argument....right? 0;-

Nice tactic, Chris C. Right up there with plagarism, selective out of
context manipulation of one's opponent's posts, and other acts of
unethical behavior we have become so accustomed to from the
Compulsive's Collective.

But of course, like all your other stupid mistakes this one will turn
and bit you in the butt. You have invited yet more of your kind that
are so easy to make fools of, and so blatantly display all the same
faults and weaknesses you bring to this group when you post. Your
clones have no more to offer than you do, Chris C.

I notice also, just how quickly you revert to weaseling...the topic
was the 12 year old being tase'd. I notice you haven't an argument
that will stand up against fact and logic. Is THAT why you and this
little pack of farting puppies have turned away from it as a subject
of debate?

Kane