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  #11  
Old December 3rd 03, 12:20 AM
ChrisScaife
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"Donna Metler" wrote in message
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"ChrisScaife" wrote in message
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How would he a better person if I was beating him (the animal society
way) instead of teaching him interaction according to modern
principles of human society.


I don't know of animals that beat their young.
Only degenerate humans could be that base.
;-)

Mama cats swat kittens on the nose for misbehavior, along with a hiss.


Yes and dogs (or should I say bitches) will growl at a pup that gets a bit
too boisterous...
but it's a long way off from human children who go round covered in bruises
and may even suffer permanent damage from their parent's fit of rage.
Making the kid understand WHY is all it takes and thrashing them really
doesn't help.


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Old December 3rd 03, 12:45 AM
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, ChrisScaife wrote:


"Doan" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, ChrisScaife wrote:

How would he a better person if I was beating him (the animal society
way) instead of teaching him interaction according to modern
principles of human society.

I don't know of animals that beat their young.
Only degenerate humans could be that base.
;-)

I saw the same argument used against abortion! Do you know of any animal
that put their youngs in diaper??? ;-)


That is because animals are not able to do that,
but they are able to injure their offspring.
They choose not to.

Actually, it depends on what kind of animals we are talking about; some do
eat their youngs. You are right that most animals are very protective of
their youngs. It is ironic then to think that humans are difference and
as parents, we don't know how to take care of our youngs. If you've been
listen to the anti-spanking zealotS, we have been doing it wrong since
the beginning of time!

As for abortion... I would rather not start on that one right now.

Chris

It's your choice! :-)

Doan


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Old December 3rd 03, 03:36 AM
LaVonne Carlson
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Donna,

Animals cannot speak. Animals communicate through body language and
vocalizations. This is why mana cats swat their kittens on the nose. Mama
cat is raising her babies to survive in their world.

I can speak, and so can you. I didn't need to raise my children with
hitting. I taught my children to survive and prosper as humans. Mama cat
is teaching her children to survive as cats.

See the difference, Donna?

LaVonne



Donna Metler wrote:

"ChrisScaife" wrote in message
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How would he a better person if I was beating him (the animal society
way) instead of teaching him interaction according to modern
principles of human society.


I don't know of animals that beat their young.
Only degenerate humans could be that base.
;-)

Mama cats swat kittens on the nose for misbehavior, along with a hiss.


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Old December 3rd 03, 07:50 AM
Greg Hanson
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Don't disagree with LaVonne, she's an ""expert""!
chuckle

The whole thread seems so "academic" as to be
out there in LaLa Land. Ego stroking and
people feeling very philosophical and all..

Look, There goes LaVonne, the Pied Piper of Dinkytown!

AdoptaDad wrote
Many animals use what amounts to some form of physical
discipline when rearing their offspring.
It's not uncommmon at all.

In addition, there are several species that actually
eat their young. Given my druthers, I'd rather be
beaten than eaten.

And since I'm the male of my species, I'm rather
thankful I'm not a black widow spider or preying mantis.

Humans are no more (or less) base than the other
species on this planet.

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Old December 3rd 03, 11:49 AM
Donna Metler
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"LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message
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Donna,

Animals cannot speak. Animals communicate through body language and
vocalizations. This is why mana cats swat their kittens on the nose.

Mama
cat is raising her babies to survive in their world.

I can speak, and so can you. I didn't need to raise my children with
hitting. I taught my children to survive and prosper as humans. Mama cat
is teaching her children to survive as cats.

See the difference, Donna?

LaVonne


I'm not pro-spanking. However, the claim was that NO animals use physical
punishment-and it only takes one counterexample to disprove such a claim.

I'd also argue that most child development theorists who advocate spanking
do so only with quite young children, who aren't exactly capable of higher
level reasoned discourse, and usually only in situations where an immediate
adversive response is necessary. Which is exactly the mama cat's response.


Donna Metler wrote:

"ChrisScaife" wrote in message
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How would he a better person if I was beating him (the animal

society
way) instead of teaching him interaction according to modern
principles of human society.

I don't know of animals that beat their young.
Only degenerate humans could be that base.
;-)

Mama cats swat kittens on the nose for misbehavior, along with a hiss.




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Old December 4th 03, 11:13 PM
Greg Hanson
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Doan: It's not the first time that I've seen
these ultraliberal types makes grunting noises
about how terrible human beings are.

I agree when it comes to needless slaughter of
dolphins or higher primates, but these types
generally apply these comments in stupid ways.

The neurotic ultraliberals actually think that
by chattering a whole bunch, and patting each
other on the back, their BS is "the truth"!

The truth is that this sort of debate is
more typical of a few petulent 17 year olds
who think they have it all figured out.

I would suggest to you, Doan, to let them
prattle on about their gibberish and let
them delude each other rather than lend them
credence by even debating with them on
such an incredibly stupid premise/whine.

Just LET THEM go walking out over the edge
of the cliff with their raging cultic views.
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Old December 5th 03, 02:46 AM
Doan
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On 4 Dec 2003, Greg Hanson wrote:

Doan: It's not the first time that I've seen
these ultraliberal types makes grunting noises
about how terrible human beings are.

I agree when it comes to needless slaughter of
dolphins or higher primates, but these types
generally apply these comments in stupid ways.

The neurotic ultraliberals actually think that
by chattering a whole bunch, and patting each
other on the back, their BS is "the truth"!

The truth is that this sort of debate is
more typical of a few petulent 17 year olds
who think they have it all figured out.

I would suggest to you, Doan, to let them
prattle on about their gibberish and let
them delude each other rather than lend them
credence by even debating with them on
such an incredibly stupid premise/whine.

Just LET THEM go walking out over the edge
of the cliff with their raging cultic views.


I have been on this newsgroup for a while now.
I know how to deal with them. The more they
post publicly the better it is for others to
see their true character. Sit back an enjoy
the spectacles! :-)

Doan


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Old December 5th 03, 10:07 AM
ChrisScaife
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"Doan" wrote in message
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On 4 Dec 2003, Greg Hanson wrote:

Doan: It's not the first time that I've seen
these ultraliberal types makes grunting noises
about how terrible human beings are.


We ARE discussing "beating" of children.
I have seen my own son covered in bruises, administered by his mother and/or
her lover who is a professional martial arts expert.
You can label it "stupid neurotic ultraliberal type BS grunting noises", but
people who condone that kind of human behaviour will never get MY respect!


I agree when it comes to needless slaughter of
dolphins or higher primates, but these types
generally apply these comments in stupid ways.

The neurotic ultraliberals actually think that
by chattering a whole bunch, and patting each
other on the back, their BS is "the truth"!

The truth is that this sort of debate is
more typical of a few petulent 17 year olds
who think they have it all figured out.

I would suggest to you, Doan, to let them
prattle on about their gibberish and let
them delude each other rather than lend them
credence by even debating with them on
such an incredibly stupid premise/whine.

Just LET THEM go walking out over the edge
of the cliff with their raging cultic views.


I have been on this newsgroup for a while now.
I know how to deal with them. The more they
post publicly the better it is for others to
see their true character. Sit back an enjoy
the spectacles! :-)


I have not been on this NG much.
Too me it seems that a lot of heated debate here is due to misunderstanding.
In this case I suspect we are not all talking about the same kind of
"beating" of children.

Sometimes people are just being argumentative to score points with other
readers of the NG.
I always ask myself if I would send the same posting by private e-mail.
If not, then I don't send it.

Regarding administering pain as a general principle for enforcing your
authority:
Would you rather your kids comply because they fear you, or because they
agree with you about what is wrong and what is right.
IMHO if fear is the motivator, then they will offend the moment your back is
turned and have no respect for authority.
If consent is the motivator they will have self discipline.

Now what exactly is YOUR point of view ?


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Old December 6th 03, 10:56 AM
Greg Hanson
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Doan: When Lemmings run over a cliff en masse, why stop them?
When you challenge them it only curbs their insane excess.

Sorry if you thought I was dictating rather than suggesting.

ChrisScaife wrote
We ARE discussing "beating" of children.
I have seen my own son covered in bruises,
administered by his mother and/or
her lover who is a professional martial
arts expert.


Wait a minute Chris Scaife!
When you say "covered in bruises" are you talking
about bruises from blocking in Martial Arts?

Isn't that a common thing for people who love
that sport and want to do well?

Aren't such bruises a bit like some of the
injuries from other sports?

Football, Pole vaulting, etc..? Learning to ride a bike?

I would expect a certain amount of bruising
happens in Martial Arts training.

Are you setting this aside when you say
"covered in bruises"?

You can label it "stupid neurotic ultraliberal
type BS grunting noises", but people who condone
that kind of human behaviour will never get MY respect!


Are you disrespecting Martial Arts in general?
Or just the one person teaching it?
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Old December 6th 03, 11:10 AM
ChrisScaife
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Greg, I meant that the adult is a martial arts expert.
My son is only 8.
It's not funny.

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
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Doan: When Lemmings run over a cliff en masse, why stop them?
When you challenge them it only curbs their insane excess.

Sorry if you thought I was dictating rather than suggesting.

ChrisScaife wrote
We ARE discussing "beating" of children.
I have seen my own son covered in bruises,
administered by his mother and/or
her lover who is a professional martial
arts expert.


Wait a minute Chris Scaife!
When you say "covered in bruises" are you talking
about bruises from blocking in Martial Arts?

Isn't that a common thing for people who love
that sport and want to do well?

Aren't such bruises a bit like some of the
injuries from other sports?

Football, Pole vaulting, etc..? Learning to ride a bike?

I would expect a certain amount of bruising
happens in Martial Arts training.

Are you setting this aside when you say
"covered in bruises"?

You can label it "stupid neurotic ultraliberal
type BS grunting noises", but people who condone
that kind of human behaviour will never get MY respect!


Are you disrespecting Martial Arts in general?
Or just the one person teaching it?



 




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