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Question for religious parents
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user wrote: I travel fairly frequently to the South ( Tennessee and NC, mostly ), and I don't think there's been a single trip in which I haven't had someone bring up religion. The last time I was in Nashville, I stopped to get a haircut before meeting with a client, and the *first* thing the woman asked was, "And have you found Jesus?" Wow! Since I generally enjoy religious discussions, the upcoming move to North Carolina could prove most interesting for me. (Unfortunately, those who lead with "have you found Jesus" aren't usually interested in a "discussion" -- but once in a while they are.) Unfortunately, the standard rejoiner of "Yes, he's been hiding behind the living room couch all this time! Can you believe that little devil?" didn't seem appropriate when dealing with someone holding sharp scissors. ;-) Alas, probably not. But *I* rather like it. But even in areas with lots of Yankee immigrants, like the RTP area, it seems like small talk with the merest aquaintance gets around to religion very, very quickly. Cool. I shall look forward to lots of religious discussions. -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Question for religious parents
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:57:01 GMT, dragonlady wrote:
In article , user wrote: I travel fairly frequently to the South ( Tennessee and NC, mostly ), and I don't think there's been a single trip in which I haven't had someone bring up religion. The last time I was in Nashville, I stopped to get a haircut before meeting with a client, and the *first* thing the woman asked was, "And have you found Jesus?" Wow! Since I generally enjoy religious discussions, the upcoming move to North Carolina could prove most interesting for me. (Unfortunately, those who lead with "have you found Jesus" aren't usually interested in a "discussion" -- but once in a while they are.) Unfortunately, the standard rejoiner of "Yes, he's been hiding behind the living room couch all this time! Can you believe that little devil?" didn't seem appropriate when dealing with someone holding sharp scissors. ;-) Alas, probably not. But *I* rather like it. But even in areas with lots of Yankee immigrants, like the RTP area, it seems like small talk with the merest aquaintance gets around to religion very, very quickly. Cool. I shall look forward to lots of religious discussions. I enjoy them as well, but unfortunately, I find that people who bring up religious discussions with someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a stranger, aren't likely to be the same people who like to compare, say, Sunni to Shia philosophies. ;-) My just-passing-through impression, combined with comments from friends who have moved to the RTP area is that there tend to be quite a lot of fairly vocal and intrusive fundamentalist church members who take any opportunity to grab your ear, and are rather leech-like in their persistence. Personally, I prefer the North, where you know you're an accepted part of the community when they stop referring to your house by the name of the previous owner. ;-) - Rich |
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Question for religious parents
Sidheag McCormack wrote:
Barbara writes: Marie wrote: SNIP I tend to stay away from the bible thumpers, because I'd rather not be told that I'm going to hell, or my kids need to be in church. SNIP And this would differ from religious people who would prefer that their children not play with non-religious people ... exactly how? In whether the person concerned is attempting to impose their beliefs on someone else, or not. A "Bible thumper" is by definition a person who does this wrt Christianity, or at least that's my understanding. I do think there's a difficult angle where children are concerned, though. As an adult, I don't need to avoid religious people as a group: if someone does push their religion on me, I can recognise what's happening and choose whether to avoid that individual in future. I'm slightly concerned, though, that preschoolers may not have adult sensitivities on this. If it ever happened that someone else's preschooler told mine he was going to hell, or that Jesus saved us, for that matter, I'd be a lot more concerned about whom he talked unsupervised to in future, and yes, if that happened, I could imagine wanting myself or a trusted adult to be present any time he talked to a child from a fundamentalist household. I'm not sure whether this is a reasonable concern, or whether actually even very young children have enough tact that it isn't likely to happen in practice. I *do* remember this kind of talk directed at me by other children when I was a child, but age 8-10, at which point I could more or less cope. There was a case - in one of the Carolinas (?) where the young boy (grade school age) was coming to school and preaching on the playground (I mean the kind of preaching that was LOUD) and telling not only the other children but also the teachers that they were going to hell. His parents felt that this was his right to do under free speech and freedom to practice his religion. OTOH this was on public property (not a private or religious school) where religion shouldn't be practiced. [Note - this is a US public and private school - I know the terminology is different in England] The teachers did not care for him telling them that they were going to hell as they felt it was disrespectful and disruptive (which it was). The parents of the other children were upset and so were the children themselves. I don't remember how this was resolved. For VERY young children (pre-school) I would not think this would be a problem. For elementary school age in public school it shouldn't come up, and if it did I would complain if it were me. grandma Rosalie |
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Question for religious parents
In article , user says...
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:57:01 GMT, dragonlady wrote: In article , user wrote: I travel fairly frequently to the South ( Tennessee and NC, mostly ), and I don't think there's been a single trip in which I haven't had someone bring up religion. The last time I was in Nashville, I stopped to get a haircut before meeting with a client, and the *first* thing the woman asked was, "And have you found Jesus?" Wow! Since I generally enjoy religious discussions, the upcoming move to North Carolina could prove most interesting for me. (Unfortunately, those who lead with "have you found Jesus" aren't usually interested in a "discussion" -- but once in a while they are.) Unfortunately, the standard rejoiner of "Yes, he's been hiding behind the living room couch all this time! Can you believe that little devil?" didn't seem appropriate when dealing with someone holding sharp scissors. ;-) Alas, probably not. But *I* rather like it. But even in areas with lots of Yankee immigrants, like the RTP area, it seems like small talk with the merest aquaintance gets around to religion very, very quickly. Cool. I shall look forward to lots of religious discussions. I enjoy them as well, but unfortunately, I find that people who bring up religious discussions with someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a stranger, aren't likely to be the same people who like to compare, say, Sunni to Shia philosophies. ;-) My just-passing-through impression, combined with comments from friends who have moved to the RTP area is that there tend to be quite a lot of fairly vocal and intrusive fundamentalist church members who take any opportunity to grab your ear, and are rather leech-like in their persistence. Personally, I prefer the North, where you know you're an accepted part of the community when they stop referring to your house by the name of the previous owner. ;-) Which can be decades! Unless you do something like paint it salmon pink! ;-) Banty (it's *my* house fersure) |
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Question for religious parents
toto wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:33:12 -0500, "Marie" wrote: "toto" wrote in message . .. Most religious folks I know don't generally bring up religion with others who are not of their own faith. Most children who are religious don't tell other kids they are going to hell either. I have had, over the years, several strangers come to me and my children in the grocery store, or a restaurant, and just start talking about Jesus and if I went to church. This happened just a few weeks ago, actually, in Walmart. An elderly man came to say what cute kids I have and then started telling me he hopes I have them in church and he just went on and on about it. When I first meet people, one of the first questions is where I go to church. When I answer nowhere, Oh how shocked the people look and just can't I think in the case where people were approaching me like that, I would respond that my religion was my own business and that I did not want to discuss it. Politely at first, and then increasingly emphatically. I would not tell them that I didn't believe specifically although I might say that I was not a Christian and did not want to be saved. I had people outside the PO once who wanted me to sign a petition outlawing Halloween celebrations because they were worshiping the devil, and I told them that I did not believe that Halloween was devil worship, it was the celebration before All Saints Day, and they should be petitioning FOR it instead of against it. I tend to be a rabblerouser. get over that I don't BELIEVE. There have been several times strange children at the park, on finding out my kids don't go to church, have told them they are going to hell. You people who are saying it's not common- you are so lucky. My family couldn't even join a homeschool group in my area b/c they required a signed statement of faith. We drive an hour to get to our group (which is worth the drive, it's a wonderful group, but I do wish it were closer). Christian groups try to ban movies and tv series. (brokeback mountain was banned here but we went to another city to see it, and book of daniel was cancelled on NBC) It's something you just can not avoid here. Marie I only recently moved to the South and I hope that I never have that experience. It was certainly not common in Chicago despite the fact that there were plenty of Southern Baptists around. There were people who preached on the street corners, but they were pretty easy to avoid. I have actually seen less of those in New Orleans than I did in Chicago. I have never had anyone come up and start talking about Jesus to me in the grocery store or mall stores here (but I have only been here about a year). grandma Rosalie |
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Question for religious parents
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Rosalie B. wrote: I had people outside the PO once who wanted me to sign a petition outlawing Halloween celebrations because they were worshiping the devil, and I told them that I did not believe that Halloween was devil worship, it was the celebration before All Saints Day, and they should be petitioning FOR it instead of against it. I tend to be a rabblerouser. Actually, Halloween is All Hallows Eve, and is the evening BEFORE All Saints Day. (And All Souls Day is November 2.) It is, however, an old pagan holiday celebrating the New Year (Celtic), and many of the traditions we have -- bonfires and costumes and even trick-or-treating -- DO draw from the old pagan traditions. It is one of the many pagan holidays that the Christian Church co-opted. (Just general rabble rousing.) -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Question for religious parents
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Banty wrote: Personally, I prefer the North, where you know you're an accepted part of the community when they stop referring to your house by the name of the previous owner. ;-) Which can be decades! Unless you do something like paint it salmon pink! ;-) Where my parents lived (way north of Duluth, on the Iron Range) it was more than decades; I swear, if your parents weren't born there, you were considered a "pack-sacker" (new comer). They lived there for over 20 years, and, even though they were very involved in the community, Mom said she never felt that she was accepted as anything but a nice newcomer. It was one of the reasons they left the area after Dad retired. (That and the fact that the last winter they were there, Mom decided to not leave the house until it got above 20 below -- and was housebound for more than 2 weeks. These days, she summers in northern Wisconsin, and winters in Brownsville, Texas, making retirement look damned good.) -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Question for religious parents
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:50:41 GMT, dragonlady
wrote: I've had people do it even here in California -- generally, they waylay you at the store entrances with leaflets. (I've also had people selling Jesus door to door almost everywhere I've lived.) Well, I lived in the Chicago area for most of my adult life and yes, there were street corner proselytizers in downtown Chicago, but in the suburbs, I never encountered it. Not even leaflets unless you count the JWs who sometimes went door to door. I rarely had them come to my house actually either. I think we had 3 or 4 visits in the 30 years we lived in the same house. Never had any at store entrances at all. Of course, we were in a very diverse area. Many different Christian sects, lots of Jews and Hindus and Moslems as well. Oh, yeah, and some approached people on the *el,* but again they were pretty easy to keep away. I just ignored them, continued to read and most of them didn't bother talking to me. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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Question for religious parents
On 20 Feb 2006 11:26:37 -0800, Banty wrote:
In article , user says... On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:57:01 GMT, dragonlady wrote: In article , user wrote: I travel fairly frequently to the South ( Tennessee and NC, mostly ), and I don't think there's been a single trip in which I haven't had someone bring up religion. The last time I was in Nashville, I stopped to get a haircut before meeting with a client, and the *first* thing the woman asked was, "And have you found Jesus?" Wow! Since I generally enjoy religious discussions, the upcoming move to North Carolina could prove most interesting for me. (Unfortunately, those who lead with "have you found Jesus" aren't usually interested in a "discussion" -- but once in a while they are.) Unfortunately, the standard rejoiner of "Yes, he's been hiding behind the living room couch all this time! Can you believe that little devil?" didn't seem appropriate when dealing with someone holding sharp scissors. ;-) Alas, probably not. But *I* rather like it. But even in areas with lots of Yankee immigrants, like the RTP area, it seems like small talk with the merest aquaintance gets around to religion very, very quickly. Cool. I shall look forward to lots of religious discussions. I enjoy them as well, but unfortunately, I find that people who bring up religious discussions with someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a stranger, aren't likely to be the same people who like to compare, say, Sunni to Shia philosophies. ;-) My just-passing-through impression, combined with comments from friends who have moved to the RTP area is that there tend to be quite a lot of fairly vocal and intrusive fundamentalist church members who take any opportunity to grab your ear, and are rather leech-like in their persistence. Personally, I prefer the North, where you know you're an accepted part of the community when they stop referring to your house by the name of the previous owner. ;-) Which can be decades! Unless you do something like paint it salmon pink! ;-) Banty (it's *my* house fersure) We have a neighbor three doors down, who, I kid you not, painted his house like a huge U.S. Flag, right after 9/11. It covered the entire front of his 2-story house, including the garage - stars and bars, and in as correct proportion as he could get. The house was painted like that until last Summer. It will forevermore be "George's House", as long as there's still one of us neighbors still breathing, no matter who else moves in there. ;-) - Rich |
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