The real story behind the paddle vs. no-paddle states map

The real story told by the paddle - no-paddle states map is the same as
the story of the red states - blue states map. It is a story that is
older than the American Civil War. In fact, it goes all the way back
the feuding regional factions that wrote The Constitution of the United
States. Because of its deep roots in attitudes, the conflict is not
going away anytime soon.

The regional antagonism in America is much the same as the centuries
old battle that London has had in subduing Ireland and Scotland. While
Londoners often think themselves as superior to their rebellious
cousins in the North, they have never quite been able to put the rogues
under their thumb. Even expansionist Imperial Roman knew where to draw
the line on that bit of folly!

Although heavily influenced by Virginia ruling elites and opposed by
numerous New York farmers, the American Constitution of 1787 was
written mostly by men with Northern sediments for a stronger central
government than possible under a confederacy.

The Southern preference for a looser form of government was the primary
reason that the North had to make so many concessions to the South
while the second constitution was being written. Even after
ratification of the second and current Constitution of the United
States, most Southerners believed in the original constitution written
a decade earlier.

When regional feuding finally erupted in Civil War, the confederacy
dictated by the original American constitution was reflected in
construction of the Confederate States governmental structure. As
anyone who has ever investigated Southern culture is quite aware, it is
an idea that never really died.

Among the primary causes of the Civil War was an attempt by a
mercantile North to impose its economic and political will on a more
agrarian South. With industrialization and non-slave cheap labor
arriving in the form of fresh immigrants, the North viewed the South
more as a colony supplying raw materials, from which finished goods
were to be made and sold back to the colony, rather than as an equal
partner in the new nation.

The Civil War was fought less over slavery than over states' rights.
Among the various proofs is the fact that the famous Emancipation
Proclamation was not issued until almost halfway through the bloody
conflict rather than 2 years earlier when the new president took
office. While Abraham Lincoln said that the nation could not survive
half slave and half free, he also said that if the could preserve the
Union without freeing the slaves, he would do so! The victorious North
left the latter fact out of its sanitized history books.

Even after victory, the North continued to impose its will on the South
during Reconstruction. The secondary conflict gave rise to the
infamous Ku Klux Klan. Much the same attempt to impose Northern will
on Southern soil was made a century later during legal battles over
racial desegregation and integration. The renewed imposition resulted
in widespread revival of the old Confederate *stars and bars* battle
flag as a symbol of resistance.

Less obvious efforts of cultural domination have included the Northern
inventions of IQ testing and college board examinations in education.
Not surprisingly, Southerners and blacks were usually deemed inferior
to Northern whites when measured by these standards.

In addition to issues such as gun control versus Second Amendment, the
North-South cultural battlefield has moved to paddle versus no-paddle.
The lines are drawn along similar boundaries to those at the start of
the Civil War and that now divide the country between predominantly
Democratic versus predominantly Republican voting precincts. That is
why the no-paddle movement swept like wildfire through mostly Northern
states and then suddenly fizzle like a firebrand plunged into cold
water.

The great North-South divide of the country is much like a bad marriage
from which no divorce has been possible. After the reelection of
George W. Bush, actually a renegade Northern elitist rather than a
native Southerner, elements in the Democratic Northeast threatened to
secede and join Canada. However, that never happened. Nor, is it
likely to ever happen. For one thing, Northerners are no fonder of
Canadians than they are of Southerners! For another, most Northerners
really don't like the European way of doing things unless it can be
used to hammer the South.

The paddle - no-paddle map is less about paddling than it is a 2
centuries old regional antagonism that is reflected in both history and
current politics! Only now, the North can't call out armed federal
troops to enforce educational no-paddle zones. To the rest of the
world, it would look too much like George W. Bush invading Iraq.

Opinions wrote:
The real story told by the paddle - no-paddle states map is the same as
the story of the red states - blue states map. It is a story that is
older than the American Civil War. In fact, it goes all the way back
the feuding regional factions that wrote The Constitution of the United
States. Because of its deep roots in attitudes, the conflict is not
going away anytime soon.

Depends on what you mean by soon.

Is that what you are relying on? Hell, the length of time the slavery,
women's emancipation, and children's protection from exploitation took
just about the time, each, that issues over child corporal punishment
have been debated on this planet. And we do, more than occasionally,
follow the example of other nations.

Check up when Poland passed the first law on child protection...that
included protection from spanking.

The regional antagonism in America is much the same as the centuries
old battle that London has had in subduing Ireland and Scotland. While
Londoners often think themselves as superior to their rebellious
cousins in the North, they have never quite been able to put the rogues
under their thumb. Even expansionist Imperial Roman knew where to draw
the line on that bit of folly!

Both still have to abide by the law of the land. One way or the other.
Are you planning an insurection, should you compulsives and apologists
for hitting children lose? R R R R

Go for it. I'd like to see the lot of you in jail for awhile. We
managed to get a few of you now, that think they are "spanking," but in
fact are abusing.

Although heavily influenced by Virginia ruling elites and opposed by
numerous New York farmers, the American Constitution of 1787 was
written mostly by men with Northern sediments for a stronger central
government than possible under a confederacy.

"Sediments?" They had particulate settling out of their formulary?

Then look what happened, bubbah. The north won then, and again later,
on the issue of federalism. And oddly, a slave owner was one of those
that campained for more centralized government...I think intelligent
and forward looking enough to know that slavery would end one day.
Jefferson was his name.

The Southern preference for a looser form of government was the primary
reason that the North had to make so many concessions to the South
while the second constitution was being written. Even after
ratification of the second and current Constitution of the United
States, most Southerners believed in the original constitution written
a decade earlier.

Concessions? You haven't read the federalist papers, and the understand
the outcome then, do you?

We do not charge tarrifs for interstate commerce. Various offenses that
happen across state lines do in fact bring the feds right into the
picture. We have federal law superceding state law (not that I'm an
advocate in all matters).

When regional feuding finally erupted in Civil War,

"Regional feuding?" What "regional feuding" are you referring to? Every
encounter leading up to the war between the states was clearly of
national scope even if geographically small in action. You don't really
think John Brown was just interested in one state's disagreement with
another, do you?

the confederacy
dictated by the original American constitution was reflected in
construction of the Confederate States governmental structure. As
anyone who has ever investigated Southern culture is quite aware, it is
an idea that never really died.

Yep, but so what? The are still subject to federal law, and when it
becomes a federal law that parents and other caregivers cannot strike
children for any reason other than self defense, they will conform or
be fined and jailed. North AND South.

Just like now.

Among the primary causes of the Civil War was an attempt by a
mercantile North to impose its economic and political will on a more
agrarian South.

Yep. Worked too.

With industrialization and non-slave cheap labor
arriving in the form of fresh immigrants, the North viewed the South
more as a colony supplying raw materials, from which finished goods
were to be made and sold back to the colony, rather than as an equal
partner in the new nation.

Yep. That's how the South keeps describing it. The North does not. You
need to read some history that does not come in compromised text books.


The Civil War was fought less over slavery than over states' rights.

Doesn't matter. More or less, it still was partially to end slavery. It
did so in this country, as an institution.

Among the various proofs is the fact that the famous Emancipation
Proclamation was not issued until almost halfway through the bloody
conflict rather than 2 years earlier when the new president took
office.

That doesn't matter in the least, and has little to nothing to do with
any attempt by you sad losers to stop what is coming: a legal end to
the institution of spanking.

While Abraham Lincoln said that the nation could not survive
half slave and half free, he also said that if the could preserve the
Union without freeing the slaves, he would do so! The victorious North
left the latter fact out of its sanitized history books.

Please show how that relates to ending spanking, legally? Someone going
to use it to push another issue...some economic disparity maybe? Not
likely.

It will be about what it is about, cruelty to children and the cowards
and ignorant fools that perpetuated and perpetrate it.

You will go to jail if you break the law.

Even after victory, the North continued to impose its will on the South
during Reconstruction.

Yep.

The secondary conflict gave rise to the
infamous Ku Klux Klan.

Runnin' out of white sheets are yah?

Are we going to have, after the no-spank law or laws are passed, a
group that puts on Ronald costumes, burns Barney, and spanks effigies
of children? R R R R RR

Much the same attempt to impose Northern will
on Southern soil was made a century later during legal battles over
racial desegregation and integration. The renewed imposition resulted
in widespread revival of the old Confederate *stars and bars* battle
flag as a symbol of resistance.

You seem so out of touch with reality. This interesting but odd side
track shows just how both ignorant and pixilated you are.

Less obvious efforts of cultural domination have included the Northern
inventions of IQ testing and college board examinations in education.
Not surprisingly, Southerners and blacks were usually deemed inferior
to Northern whites when measured by these standards.

Examples please? Some of the best colleges in the nation reside in the
South.

In addition to issues such as gun control versus Second Amendment, the
North-South cultural battlefield has moved to paddle versus no-paddle.

No it hasn't. I'm a fervent gun rights advocate, a staunch supporter
personally and economically of the second amendment. I am licensed and
I carry. I have for many many years. And I am against spanking. And
support laws to put an end to it.

The lines are drawn along similar boundaries to those at the start of
the Civil War and that now divide the country between predominantly
Democratic versus predominantly Republican voting precincts. That is
why the no-paddle movement swept like wildfire through mostly Northern
states and then suddenly fizzle like a firebrand plunged into cold
water.

Odd, it's still growing. There are more websites now than their were a
year ago on this subject, and in support of an end to it. And the
support of spanking by the public is dropping every year.

The great North-South divide of the country is much like a bad marriage
from which no divorce has been possible.

No, we get along just fine. We travel north south east and west and
live in many places during our lives that we did not come from. In fact
I have lots of southerners living around me. I wonder what made them
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After the reelection of
George W. Bush, actually a renegade Northern elitist rather than a
native Southerner, elements in the Democratic Northeast threatened to
secede and join Canada. However, that never happened. Nor, is it
likely to ever happen. For one thing, Northerners are no fonder of
Canadians than they are of Southerners! For another, most Northerners
really don't like the European way of doing things unless it can be
used to hammer the South.

Yammer yammer hammer.

The paddle - no-paddle map is less about paddling than it is a 2
centuries old regional antagonism that is reflected in both history and
current politics! Only now, the North can't call out armed federal
troops to enforce educational no-paddle zones. To the rest of the
world, it would look too much like George W. Bush invading Iraq.

No, it's about paddling, and nothing else. You'd love to throw in
anything possible to distract and confuse, but those of us that are end
of spanking adovocates are far too intelligent and educated to let you
get away with it. We'll just keep bringing information about how
children turn out better, as I did AGAIN today, with the research
finding that showed spanked children to be more aggressive and anxious.


They also, if you read the research are shown to have more problems as
adults. Problems with marriage, drug use, alcoholism, suicide,
depression, and economics.

Everyone that matters wants what's best for their children and they do
watch and respond to such information.

Pretty desperate, aren't yah?

R R R R R R R

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