Free Yourself From Child Support Tyranny!!

Hello Everyone;
Its been about 6 months now that I have freed myself from the tyranny of the child support system. The methods I used did work, and I am writing to share the good news with you, and I will not even ask for a single dime from you for this valuable information. It's all yours.

As you may have figured out, the child support system is composed of mostly a socialistic system. It combines the feeling of "those poor children" and "that damn ******* father" and mixes it with a little injustice. As a result of this combined mixture of oil and water, divorce rises as dreams of riches and glory are instilled upon women around the nation and what they have to gain by destroying their own homes.

Despite the dream that child support is based on a percentage and the child support system is a fair system whose only purpose is to make irresponsible men take care of their children, the truth is that the amounts of child support orders which are placed on men are actually based on what the judge thinks is right based on what he thinks the man should be making. It does not necessarily matter how many other children he may be supporting or what may become of his household in the end, the judge decides all.

Well, my friends. To fight a socialist system, you need to use socialistic medicine. In other words, don't use logic and common sense, it won't work. Here is my advice for you.


First of all, I found it quite interesting as I would sit in the 'child support' hearings, I found that almost all individuals that were there that day appeared to be of a lower chast, or of the work force. Those that work hard for our fine system. Construction workers, Guest Room Porters, Security Guards, Waiters, etc. If you belong to this system, this is certainly not a crime. However, you may need to understand that you are now standing amongst an awful lot of people of whom the child support hearing master hears nothing but excuses from each day. You need to stand out a little and appear seperate from this group.

When you go to court... shave, bathe, wear clean clothing. Make yourself presentable. Wear a tie. In this matter, when you speak to the judge, you will at least appear to be respectable and if your story is good, perhaps believeable. I'd probably present yourself as something other than a construction worker though. Judges know that construction workers are often paid under-the-table and it is a well known thing. Get a part-time job on the side for a while in an office perhaps, that way the judge isn't thinking that you are pulling a fast one on him. Let him know you got the part time job to try and make ends meet. It is more believable.

Now, so far, I haven't presented any full fledged formula. In socialistic medicine there really isn't one, socialistic laws are not based on logic but I can tell you that if you are looking into the child support laws, you aren't looking in the right place either. Most of these ideas compose of showing and successfully convincing the judge that you are poor. The Child Support Laws are only meant to screw you, laws outside the child support laws are designed for other purposes and it is there that you should look. So, where should you look, let's first see how you get screwed to begin with.

When child support laws first came out, I was quite worried. Here were laws that just about ignored all other laws, all logic, and went straight for the roots. If you got your paycheck garnished, you were without right off the bat. Forget the debtors prison constitutional protections, forget the federally mandated collector's laws, forget justice. All this government control wasn't a good idea, but if you are on this newsgroup, you probably know that already. Mix all this government control with socialistic "save the children" nightmare medicine, and you get quite a bit of uncontrolled and unchecked chaos. Liberals always did have a way of being stupid, didn't they?

As for me, I've been poor most of my life. I have several children by more than one wife and I have a child support debt to take care of. Fear not, it isn't the end of the world. You can lead a normal life and support your children.

Let me start off by saying that I believe as many others do, I refuse to be a paycheck, I refuse to succum, I refuse to be a mere number. Child Support guidelines are extremely harsh and very unforgiving.

As I once heard on television, the only way to victory in this case is to deny them the fight. Or as Sun Tzu once said in the Ancient Art of War, "The skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting." Take my advise, try to avoid court if you can. If you must go, make it as little as possible. The fight isn't in the Child Support Court, that establishment was only created to rob you.

So, how did I do it? Come to the meat already, huh? I did it by being rich and poor, strong and weak, big and small, tall and short. If you are rich, make yourself to be poor. If you are strong, make yourself to be weak. If you are big, make yourself to be small. You see, the government can't squeeze blood from a turnip, so the trick is to become a turnip, or at least make them think you are a turnip. You see, you are in this mess because people think you have money. If you have none, they think you are hiding it. So, as I say, "show them the money."

One of the answers to this dilemma actually resides in the business laws. Regardless of what you do, you can often create a business around it and actually become a tax write-off to your employer, instead of a tax expense. Creating an LLC (this is the one you probably want) isn't hard either, just log on the internet and do a search for your secretary of state, then fill out an LLC form, and pay the fee (can range from $25 and up). Now, sign up for a payroll service, such as www.payroll.com and pay yourself, but less than what you made before. Now you have a legit paycheck from a legit business.

Sign up for the new employee register. Pay unemployment taxes. Report your income. Show everyone your money. See? It's right here!!! This is how much I make.... Then pay it. I've seen people who had to pay so much in child support that they ended up hiting the federal guideline that says you can't take more than 50% of a person's income. Ridiculous. In this way, they only take up to 50% of whatever you are paying yourself.

How does this help you? Well.... Now the company (a completely seperate entity from yourself) has the other half in order to pay the business expenses, such as employee's paid meals, rent on the building where the business resides, the phone service, electricity services, cable, the business car, gas, employee trips, etc. Understand.... these items HAVE to be put in the business name for the business to pay them, but that is no great thing, just do it. With a Employer Identification Number you can begin a credit line in the business and have loans and business credit cards started up. In time, you could actually rebuild your life and only pay a FAIR amount for child support.

This in turn will cause the wife to quite looking to you for more money. Keep the courts from thinking you are hiding some of it. Stop the delusions of riches obtained by divorce. Simply, show them the money, pay what you owe, and live on the company. In this way, you may be able to knock down your support payment by as much as 75%.

Some simple rules to make this work:
a.. Don't tell anyone about the business except the bare minimum (idiot rule #1)
b.. Don't put it in your name, try a friend or spouse or relative (idiot rule #2)
c.. Don't get greedy. If you try to pay yourself mimimum wage with only 5 hours a week working, they will wonder how you live. (idiot rule #3)
d.. Don't draw attention to yourself or the business. (idiot rule #4)
If anyone suspects you of doing this, it will certainly **** off the judge and a lot of people. Most people are quite ignorant of child support laws and will turn you in, especially if you **** them off, so although this is entirely legal, remember.... the child support socialistic laws are not logical. They will cream you if they find out what you are doing. If someone does find out, make sure you can show them the business is legit in every way.

Admittingly, you have some hoops to jump through, but hopefully you can look at this bit of advice and work with it. It doesn't answer everything, but it does focus on an answer. Want a free book on all this? View it online he

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On Mar 2, 2:59�pm, "Mr. Anonymous" wrote:
Hello Everyone;
Its been about 6 months now that I have freed myself from the tyranny of the child support system. *The methods I used did work, and I am writing to share the good news with you, and I will not even ask for a single dime from you for this valuable information. *It's all yours.

As you may have figured out, the child support system is composed of mostly a socialistic system. *It combines the feeling of "those poor children" and "that damn ******* father" and mixes it with a little injustice. *As a result of this combined mixture of oil and water, divorce rises as dreams of riches and glory are instilled upon women around the nation and what they have to gain by destroying their own homes.

Despite the dream that child support is based on a percentage and the child support system is a fair system whose only purpose is to make irresponsible men take care of their children, the truth is that the amounts of child support orders which are placed on men are actually based on what the judge thinks is right based on what he thinks the man should be making. *It does not necessarily matter how many other children he may be supporting or what may become of his household in the end, the judge decides all.

Well, my friends. *To fight a socialist system, you need to use socialistic medicine. *In other words, don't use logic and common sense, it won't work. *Here is my advice for you.

First of all, I found it quite interesting as I would sit in the 'child support' hearings, I found that almost all individuals that were there that day appeared to be of a lower chast, or of the work force. *Those that work hard for our fine system. *Construction workers, Guest Room Porters, Security Guards, Waiters, etc. *If you belong to this system, this is certainly not a crime. *However, you may need to understand that you are now standing amongst an awful lot of people of whom the child support hearing master hears nothing but excuses from each day. *You need to stand out a little and appear seperate from this group.

When you go to court... *shave, bathe, wear clean clothing. *Make yourself presentable. *Wear a tie. *In this matter, when you speak to the judge, you will at least appear to be respectable and if your story is good, perhaps believeable. *I'd probably present yourself as something other than a construction worker though. *Judges know that construction workers are often paid under-the-table and it is a well known thing. *Get a part-time job on the side for a while in an office perhaps, that way the judge isn't thinking that you are pulling a fast one on him. *Let him know you got the part time job to try and make ends meet. *It is more believable.

Now, so far, I haven't presented any full fledged formula. *In socialistic medicine there really isn't one, socialistic laws are not based on logic but I can tell you that if you are looking into the child support laws, you aren't looking in the right place either. *Most of these ideas compose of showing and successfully convincing the judge that you are poor. *The Child Support Laws are only meant to screw you, laws outside the child support laws are designed for other purposes and it is there that you should look. *So, where should you look, let's first see how you get screwed to begin with.

When child support laws first came out, I was quite worried. *Here were laws that just about ignored all other laws, all logic, and went straight for the roots. *If you got your paycheck garnished, you were without right off the bat. *Forget the debtors prison constitutional protections, forget the federally mandated collector's laws, forget justice. *All this government control wasn't a good idea, but if you are on this newsgroup, you probably know that already. *Mix all this government control with socialistic "save the children" nightmare medicine, and you get quite a bit of uncontrolled and unchecked chaos. *Liberals always did have a way of being stupid, didn't they?

As for me, I've been poor most of my life. *I have several children by more than one wife and I have a child support debt to take care of. *Fear not, it isn't the end of the world. *You can lead a normal life and support your children.

Let me start off by saying that I believe as many others do, I refuse to be a paycheck, I refuse to succum, I refuse to be a mere number. *Child Support guidelines are extremely harsh and very unforgiving.

As I once heard on television, the only way to victory in this case is to deny them the fight. *Or as Sun Tzu once said in the Ancient Art of War, "The skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting." *Take my advise, try to avoid court if you can. *If you must go, make it as little as possible. *The fight isn't in the Child Support Court, that establishment was only created to rob you.

So, how did I do it? *Come to the meat already, huh? *I did it by being rich and poor, strong and weak, big and small, tall and short. *If you are rich, make yourself to be poor. *If you are strong, make yourself to be weak. *If you are big, make yourself to be small. *You see, the government can't squeeze blood from a turnip, so the trick is to become a turnip, or at least make them think you are a turnip. *You see, you are in this mess because people think you have money. *If you have none, they think you are hiding it. *So, as I say, "show them the money."

One of the answers to this dilemma actually resides in the business laws. *Regardless of what you do, you can often create a business around it and actually become a tax write-off to your employer, instead of a tax expense. *Creating an LLC (this is the one you probably want) isn't hard either, just log on the internet and do a search for your secretary of state, then fill out an LLC form, and pay the fee (can range from $25 and up). *Now, sign up for a payroll service, such aswww.payroll.comand pay yourself, but less than what you made before. *Now you have a legit paycheck from a legit business.

Sign up for the new employee register. *Pay unemployment taxes. *Report your income. *Show everyone your money. *See? *It's right here!!! *This is how much I make.... *Then pay it. *I've seen people who had to pay so much in child support that they ended up hiting the federal guideline that says you can't take more than 50% of a person's income. *Ridiculous. *In this way, they only take up to 50% of whatever you are paying yourself.

How does this help you? *Well.... * Now the company (a completely seperate entity from yourself) has the other half in order to pay the business expenses, such as employee's paid meals, rent on the building where the business resides, the phone service, electricity services, cable, the business car, gas, employee trips, etc. *Understand.... *these items HAVE to be put in the business name for the business to pay them, but that is no great thing, just do it. *With a Employer Identification Number you can begin a credit line in the business and have loans and business credit cards started up. *In time, you could actually rebuild your life and only pay a FAIR amount for child support.

This in turn will cause the wife to quite looking to you for more money. *Keep the courts from thinking you are hiding some of it. *Stop the delusions of riches obtained by divorce. *Simply, show them the money, pay what you owe, and live on the company. *In this way, you may be able to knock down your support payment by as much as 75%.

Some simple rules to make this work:
* a.. Don't tell anyone about the business except the bare minimum (idiot rule #1)
* b.. Don't put it in your name, try a friend or spouse or relative (idiot rule #2)
* c.. Don't get greedy. *If you try to pay yourself mimimum wage with only 5 hours a week working, they will wonder how you live. *(idiot rule #3)
* d.. Don't draw attention to yourself or the business. *(idiot rule #4)
If anyone suspects you of doing this, it will certainly **** off the judge and a lot of people. *Most people are quite ignorant of child support laws and will turn you in, especially if you **** them off, so although this is entirely legal, remember.... *the child support socialistic laws are not logical. *They will cream you if they find out what you are doing. *If someone does find out, make sure you can show them the business is legit in every way.

Admittingly, you have some hoops to jump through, but hopefully you can look at this bit of advice and work with it. *It doesn't answer everything, but it does focus on an answer. *Want a free book on all this? *View it online he

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Your "system" is illegal and potentially dangerous, you imbecile.

"Relayer" wrote
"Mr. Anonymous" wrote:


Your "system" is illegal and potentially dangerous, you imbecile.
==
And you just reposted it all.

On Mar 8, 4:54�pm, "Gini" wrote:
"Relayer" *wrote

*"Mr. Anonymous" wrote:

Your "system" is illegal and potentially dangerous, you imbecile.
==
And you just reposted it all.

Sorry

No it is not, idiot. Nowhere anywhere is it illegal to have a business as a
seperate entity and pay yourself. It is done all the time. You are the
idiot.

"Gini" wrote in message
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"Relayer" wrote
"Mr. Anonymous" wrote:


Your "system" is illegal and potentially dangerous, you imbecile.
==
And you just reposted it all.




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"Mr. Anonymous" wrote in message
t.com...
No it is not, idiot. Nowhere anywhere is it illegal to have a business as
a
seperate entity and pay yourself. It is done all the time. You are the
idiot.

The problem is this theory about how to reduce CS orders is not based on how
states' actually determine income from self-employment or operation of a
business prior to calculating CS obligations.

Gross income is defined as gross receipts minus cost of goods sold minus
ordinary and necessary expenses required for business operation.
specifically excluded from ordinary and necessary expenses are amounts for
accelerated depreciation, investment tax credits, and any other business
expense determined by the court. Expense reimbursements or in-kind payments
received are counted as income if they reduce personal living expenses.

I understand your question, but I think you are misunderstanding how it
works. You see, you aren't self-employed.

Working for an LLC or a Corporation that does not belong to you does not
mean you add its income into yours. They are completely different entities.
Even if it did belong to you, there is a difference between a voting
interest and a financial interest and what is dispursed as profits. But all
that is getting complicated, it is actually rather easy to go this and
doesn't take much.

You need to understand how the business laws work, but I can assure you that
if the LLC or Corporation is set up properly, ALL monies that go into the
business account are NOT yours. It belongs ONLY to the Corporation. Any
money that you want to claim as your own must be processed through a
payroll, taxed, and reported. Until that is done, that is NOT your money,
thus C.S. cannot touch it.

So... how does this help you? Well, you see... you set up a remote office
in the company name that pays the rent and electricity (your home). It is
now a business expense. The fact that the same building the company is in
is the same place that you live is irrelevant.

Employee meals are purchased by the company (no more groceries), utilities
are paid by the company. Hey, you need a company car for your employee(s).
Car insurance is also set up in the company. How about those travel
expenses for the company? Can't forget those costly flight tickets!!

Don't believe me? Ask a tax consultant or an attorney about setting up a
company and how it works.

A good book is also called Bullet Proof Asset Protection, found on
Amazon.com


"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
...

"Mr. Anonymous" wrote in message
t.com...
No it is not, idiot. Nowhere anywhere is it illegal to have a business
as
a
seperate entity and pay yourself. It is done all the time. You are the
idiot.

The problem is this theory about how to reduce CS orders is not based on
how
states' actually determine income from self-employment or operation of a
business prior to calculating CS obligations.

Gross income is defined as gross receipts minus cost of goods sold minus
ordinary and necessary expenses required for business operation.
specifically excluded from ordinary and necessary expenses are amounts for
accelerated depreciation, investment tax credits, and any other business
expense determined by the court. Expense reimbursements or in-kind
payments
received are counted as income if they reduce personal living expenses.




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On Mar 8, 6:54 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"Relayer" wrote

"Mr. Anonymous" wrote:

Your "system" is illegal and potentially dangerous, you imbecile.
==
And you just reposted it all.

For all who read this. GINI is a spammer in this group. Lurking for
threads that don't suit her opinion, then when she finds one, launches
an abusive diversionary attack.

"child support sux" wrote in message
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On Mar 8, 6:54 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"Relayer" wrote

"Mr. Anonymous" wrote:

Your "system" is illegal and potentially dangerous, you imbecile.
==
And you just reposted it all.

For all who read this. GINI is a spammer in this group. Lurking for
threads that don't suit her opinion, then when she finds one, launches
an abusive diversionary attack.

Strange--she's been around here for years, and has always supplied accurate
information. Could you please explain what she has told you that is
incorrect?

Hey there Gini sockpuppet.

Gini's diversionary tactic was quite obvious in this post, as all it said
is, "that is illegal". Nothing to support the claim.

The posting original posting was indeed quite legal (nothing wrong with
having a business and setting up a payroll for yourself in the business),
thus it was an obvious attempt from a liberal non-thinker just expressing an
unsupported opinion, because she just didn't "like" the answer given.


"teachrmama" wrote in message
...

"child support sux" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 8, 6:54 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"Relayer" wrote

"Mr. Anonymous" wrote:

Your "system" is illegal and potentially dangerous, you imbecile.
==
And you just reposted it all.

For all who read this. GINI is a spammer in this group. Lurking for
threads that don't suit her opinion, then when she finds one, launches
an abusive diversionary attack.

Strange--she's been around here for years, and has always supplied
accurate information. Could you please explain what she has told you that
is incorrect?





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