Need real help?

If you're serious about defending your rights or offending your
opponents in court or administrative cases, but don't know where to
start, what laws to use, how to write your papers, etc., *real* help is
just an email away.

I'm not a lawyer, never been one, don't pretend to be one. I'm just a
dad who's been through it and still going through it. Although my kids
are all adults now, the child support case just never seems to die.
I've been through the entire administrative process in the original
state (Washington) and now fighting punitive contempt in my state of
residence (Oregon). Following the law and their own rules just doesn't
seem to be on anyone's agenda but mine.

I've been studying the law for more than ten years. My personal library
includes my own set of Corpus Juris Secundum (it's like the
Encyclopaedia Britannica of law and takes up 26 feet of shelf space). I
maintain an extensive personal database from over a decade of being an
underground paralegal on our kinds of issues. I've worked on cases in
Oregon, Washington, California, Iowa, Missouri, Texas, Louisiana and
Missouri. I'm able to go as deep into the law as needed. I've written
many briefs and writs to Oregon's appellate and supreme courts. I've
taken two cases all the way through the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals,
and two all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. I write better paper
than all but one lawyer I've been up against.

Specialty cases are child support, custody, restraining orders -- all
the usual family law issues. Also some experience with common civil
(tort), civil rights, criminal, and a little environmental law.

I do charge -- it's how I pay the rent -- but it's a lot less than
lawyers do.

You may discover what untold thousands have -- you don't start winning
until you fire the lawyer and start using the law.

Email me and let's get started on your case today!

Layne Barlow

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:59:58 -0700, "Father Drew"
wrote:

And do you charge for your service, or are you just an ambulance-chasing
paralegal?

-Drew



And what do you mean by "ambulance-chasing"?

Until someone wins the lottery and independently funds the think tank
needed to deal with these issues and publish useful findings to all,
those few of us who are actually technically competent to deal with
someone's case have to pay the rent with something besides our boyish
good looks.

I am technically competent and, as my post shows, have the library and
database resources to deal with just about any kind of case this group
deals with at any level. Anyone who's serious about his or her case
can get the support they need privately.

If you resent that, so what. You're free to continue being part of
this group's background noise.

Layne

P.S.=Website pending

"Layne Barlow" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:59:58 -0700, "Father Drew"
wrote:

And do you charge for your service, or are you just an ambulance-chasing
paralegal?

-Drew

And what do you mean by "ambulance-chasing"?

Until someone wins the lottery and independently funds the think tank
needed to deal with these issues and publish useful findings to all,
those few of us who are actually technically competent to deal with
someone's case have to pay the rent with something besides our boyish
good looks.

I am technically competent and, as my post shows, have the library and
database resources to deal with just about any kind of case this group
deals with at any level.
===
It seems that if you have such a thorough knowledge of the law, you would
know that what you are doing is "illegal practice of law" and if the Oregon
Bar
monitors usenet, you are in big trouble.
===
===

Well, I for one would not trust someone who plays a sympathy card with the
goal of getting someone's money. At least with an attorney, they screw you
up front. What you are saying is that you are a paralegal service plain and
simple, so technically this is spam. I was just digging trying to figure
out if you were about the love or the money. You answered that question.
Nothing is wrong with making money, we all gotta eat, but not at the expense
of suffering NCPs.

I share my knowlege for free.

-Drew

"Layne Barlow" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:59:58 -0700, "Father Drew"
wrote:

And do you charge for your service, or are you just an ambulance-chasing
paralegal?

-Drew



And what do you mean by "ambulance-chasing"?

Until someone wins the lottery and independently funds the think tank
needed to deal with these issues and publish useful findings to all,
those few of us who are actually technically competent to deal with
someone's case have to pay the rent with something besides our boyish
good looks.

I am technically competent and, as my post shows, have the library and
database resources to deal with just about any kind of case this group
deals with at any level. Anyone who's serious about his or her case
can get the support they need privately.

If you resent that, so what. You're free to continue being part of
this group's background noise.

Layne

P.S.=Website pending

Keep doing what you are doing. Just becareful of the Lawyers. They hate
competition just like the Government.

If a truely free Country, there would be no problem with what you are doing.


"Layne Barlow" wrote in message
...
If you're serious about defending your rights or offending your
opponents in court or administrative cases, but don't know where to
start, what laws to use, how to write your papers, etc., *real* help is
just an email away.

I'm not a lawyer, never been one, don't pretend to be one. I'm just a
dad who's been through it and still going through it. Although my kids
are all adults now, the child support case just never seems to die.
I've been through the entire administrative process in the original
state (Washington) and now fighting punitive contempt in my state of
residence (Oregon). Following the law and their own rules just doesn't
seem to be on anyone's agenda but mine.

I've been studying the law for more than ten years. My personal library
includes my own set of Corpus Juris Secundum (it's like the
Encyclopaedia Britannica of law and takes up 26 feet of shelf space). I
maintain an extensive personal database from over a decade of being an
underground paralegal on our kinds of issues. I've worked on cases in
Oregon, Washington, California, Iowa, Missouri, Texas, Louisiana and
Missouri. I'm able to go as deep into the law as needed. I've written
many briefs and writs to Oregon's appellate and supreme courts. I've
taken two cases all the way through the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals,
and two all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. I write better paper
than all but one lawyer I've been up against.

Specialty cases are child support, custody, restraining orders -- all
the usual family law issues. Also some experience with common civil
(tort), civil rights, criminal, and a little environmental law.

I do charge -- it's how I pay the rent -- but it's a lot less than
lawyers do.

You may discover what untold thousands have -- you don't start winning
until you fire the lawyer and start using the law.

Email me and let's get started on your case today!

Layne Barlow

"Layne Barlow" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:02:53 -0400, "gini52" wrote:


"Layne Barlow" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:59:58 -0700, "Father Drew"
wrote:

And do you charge for your service, or are you just an
ambulance-chasing
paralegal?

-Drew

And what do you mean by "ambulance-chasing"?

Until someone wins the lottery and independently funds the think tank
needed to deal with these issues and publish useful findings to all,
those few of us who are actually technically competent to deal with
someone's case have to pay the rent with something besides our boyish
good looks.

I am technically competent and, as my post shows, have the library and
database resources to deal with just about any kind of case this group
deals with at any level.
===
It seems that if you have such a thorough knowledge of the law, you would
know that what you are doing is "illegal practice of law" and if the
Oregon
Bar
monitors usenet, you are in big trouble.
===
===


The Bar has had me on file for years and is currently pursuing me for
UPL.

"Trouble" is relative. They have to overcome the hurdles of proving
jurisdiction, the Bill of Rights (particularly free speech and
peaceful assembly), and explaining the case when I join every women's
advocacy program in the state to my side of the case -- many if not
most of them have non-Bar member volunteers at courthouses helping
women filling out, filing and dealing with domestic restraining
orders, which fits their definition of UPL. And they contribute to
some of those programs.

Besides, a lot of us are in trouble because of incompetent Bar
members. Know that for a personal fact. Ever try to get the Bar to
do something about the lawyer who took all your money, did next to
nothing, then dropped you when your cash was gone?


A big part of my
job is cleaning up after them.

So there!
==
Just thought I'd give you a heads up.
Good luck.
==
==

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:17:33 -0700, "Father Drew"
wrote:

Well, I for one would not trust someone who plays a sympathy card with the
goal of getting someone's money. At least with an attorney, they screw you
up front. What you are saying is that you are a paralegal service plain and
simple, so technically this is spam. I was just digging trying to figure
out if you were about the love or the money. You answered that question.
Nothing is wrong with making money, we all gotta eat, but not at the expense
of suffering NCPs.

I share my knowlege for free.

-Drew


This isn't spam. I didn't individually email you nor a group. I offer
a service, period. No banners, no pop-up ads.

Whatever.

I won't get into this with you and the bug up your ass on a tit for
tat basis any further. I'll just end this conversation with this bit
of fact: there's a lot of difference between answering someone's
question or two, like I do here and the occasional email, and spending
20-60 hours in deep research pulling someone's ass out of the legal
fire. If you can't see the difference you're too naive to be worth
listening to.

Been sparring with lawyers, judges, and the Bar for years, and deep
into it now with them. I've mightily ****ed off several ... must be
doing my job.

They get away with it because we the people let them. Reform is our
job, not theirs. Problem is we the people have been neglecting our
civic duties so long they got arrogant. The result is we now have a
judiciary which is actually predatory upon the people they've all
sworn oaths to administer justice to faithfully, impartially and in a
manner that supports our Constitutions.

I appreciate the intent of your message.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:39:57 GMT, "Batch File" wrote:

Keep doing what you are doing. Just becareful of the Lawyers. They hate
competition just like the Government.

If a truely free Country, there would be no problem with what you are doing.


"Layne Barlow" wrote in message
...
If you're serious about defending your rights or offending your
opponents in court or administrative cases, but don't know where to
start, what laws to use, how to write your papers, etc., *real* help is
just an email away.

I'm not a lawyer, never been one, don't pretend to be one. I'm just a
dad who's been through it and still going through it. Although my kids
are all adults now, the child support case just never seems to die.
I've been through the entire administrative process in the original
state (Washington) and now fighting punitive contempt in my state of
residence (Oregon). Following the law and their own rules just doesn't
seem to be on anyone's agenda but mine.

I've been studying the law for more than ten years. My personal library
includes my own set of Corpus Juris Secundum (it's like the
Encyclopaedia Britannica of law and takes up 26 feet of shelf space). I
maintain an extensive personal database from over a decade of being an
underground paralegal on our kinds of issues. I've worked on cases in
Oregon, Washington, California, Iowa, Missouri, Texas, Louisiana and
Missouri. I'm able to go as deep into the law as needed. I've written
many briefs and writs to Oregon's appellate and supreme courts. I've
taken two cases all the way through the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals,
and two all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. I write better paper
than all but one lawyer I've been up against.

Specialty cases are child support, custody, restraining orders -- all
the usual family law issues. Also some experience with common civil
(tort), civil rights, criminal, and a little environmental law.

I do charge -- it's how I pay the rent -- but it's a lot less than
lawyers do.

You may discover what untold thousands have -- you don't start winning
until you fire the lawyer and start using the law.

Email me and let's get started on your case today!

Layne Barlow

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:39:57 GMT, "Batch File" wrote:

Keep doing what you are doing. Just becareful of the Lawyers. They hate
competition just like the Government.

If a truely free Country, there would be no problem with what you are doing.



Thanx for the concern. I'm no spring chicken at this.

"Layne Barlow" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:17:33 -0700, "Father Drew"
wrote:

Well, I for one would not trust someone who plays a sympathy card with
the
goal of getting someone's money. At least with an attorney, they screw
you
up front. What you are saying is that you are a paralegal service plain
and
simple, so technically this is spam. I was just digging trying to figure
out if you were about the love or the money. You answered that question.
Nothing is wrong with making money, we all gotta eat, but not at the
expense
of suffering NCPs.

I share my knowlege for free.

-Drew


This isn't spam. I didn't individually email you nor a group. I offer
a service, period. No banners, no pop-up ads.

Whatever.

I won't get into this with you and the bug up your ass on a tit for
tat basis any further. I'll just end this conversation with this bit
of fact: there's a lot of difference between answering someone's
question or two, like I do here and the occasional email, and spending
20-60 hours in deep research pulling someone's ass out of the legal
fire. If you can't see the difference you're too naive to be worth
listening to.
===
Layne,
The difference is:
You are soliciting *paying* clients for "legal services" that you are not
qualified to provide--and you have been wrong in some of the legal
information you have posted to this group. Further, many of us here have
extensive legal research and experience in family court. Having been a
pre-law/political science major in undergrad school, I also have a law
library and still do a lot of online research. That doesn't qualify me to
give legal advice, free or paid, any more than it does you. When you move
to soliciting money for "legal services" from NCPs who are already
struggling financially, you go over the line. It *is* spam. In this group,
we help each other navigate the pitfalls of family court--We do it because
we have a common interest in surviving the system and making change, not
because we want to act like lawyers. None of us has ever engaged in
commercial solicitation from our commiserates. That is the difference. BTW,
if you wanted to practice law, why didn't you go to law school? What is your
undergrad degree in?
===
===