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HELP!!!! - Feeding
"Cindy Senger" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Chotii" wrote in message .. . "Joanne H." wrote in message They both wake up in the morning between 7am - 7:30am I give them their bottle which they have between 5oz - 7oz. Breakfast - weetabix @9am Bottle@ 11am Lunch@ 1pm Vegetables & Yoghurt each Tea@ 4pm - 4:30pm Veg or baked beans and cheese followed by fruit Bath 6pm Bottle 6:30pm With all due respect, you only describe them getting 2 bottles a day... ...okay, somebody emailed me to correct my reading comprehension - I had missed the first bottle at 7am. However, I *still* stand by what I said before, with edits. I still think 10-11 hours is too long to ask your average 6 month old to sleep without waking to eat, and that such a baby who wakes up wanting to eat *is* hungry, and needs to eat. I also stand by my concern about there being adequate nutrition for a 6 1/2 month old infant (corrected age) in 3 bottles and the solids described. My twins, who were also about two months early were sleeping through the night consistently at three months-- I'm talking 11 or 12 hours uninterrupted. Obviously, they did not eat during the night. On the very few occasions that they woke hungry, I did feed them, but that probably only happened a dozen times between three months and one year. They did get five or six bottles of formula a day, though and much less real food than the OP describes. Ah! But there's a world of difference between saying "Some babies will naturally sleep through the night, even 12 hours straight at the age of 6 months" and saying "Because some babies do, all babies *can*, and therefore this baby in particular *ought* to, and night wakings indicate a problem because the child *should not* be hungry". Some babies naturally wake at night. Some babies naturally wake hungry. This is not a problem for the baby. It *may* be a problem for the parents, and it *may* be something that can be addressed by increasing caloric intake during the day. With an infant of this age, I would increase calories via formula (or breastmilk) rather than solids, or if solids must be used instead, I would increase high-calorie foods such as full-fat yogurt or avocado, rather than cereals, fruit or vegetables, which are primarily carbohydrates and are lower calories per volume than formula, breastmilk, or fatty foods like avocado. Some babies don't want to eat during the day because they're so busy learning new skills, and have to make up for their lack of calories at night. Again, this is not a problem for the baby. It may be for the parent. It is a temporary situation however. --angela |
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HELP!!!! - Feeding
"Cindy Senger" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Chotii" wrote in message .. . "Joanne H." wrote in message They both wake up in the morning between 7am - 7:30am I give them their bottle which they have between 5oz - 7oz. Breakfast - weetabix @9am Bottle@ 11am Lunch@ 1pm Vegetables & Yoghurt each Tea@ 4pm - 4:30pm Veg or baked beans and cheese followed by fruit Bath 6pm Bottle 6:30pm With all due respect, you only describe them getting 2 bottles a day... ...okay, somebody emailed me to correct my reading comprehension - I had missed the first bottle at 7am. However, I *still* stand by what I said before, with edits. I still think 10-11 hours is too long to ask your average 6 month old to sleep without waking to eat, and that such a baby who wakes up wanting to eat *is* hungry, and needs to eat. I also stand by my concern about there being adequate nutrition for a 6 1/2 month old infant (corrected age) in 3 bottles and the solids described. My twins, who were also about two months early were sleeping through the night consistently at three months-- I'm talking 11 or 12 hours uninterrupted. Obviously, they did not eat during the night. On the very few occasions that they woke hungry, I did feed them, but that probably only happened a dozen times between three months and one year. They did get five or six bottles of formula a day, though and much less real food than the OP describes. Ah! But there's a world of difference between saying "Some babies will naturally sleep through the night, even 12 hours straight at the age of 6 months" and saying "Because some babies do, all babies *can*, and therefore this baby in particular *ought* to, and night wakings indicate a problem because the child *should not* be hungry". Some babies naturally wake at night. Some babies naturally wake hungry. This is not a problem for the baby. It *may* be a problem for the parents, and it *may* be something that can be addressed by increasing caloric intake during the day. With an infant of this age, I would increase calories via formula (or breastmilk) rather than solids, or if solids must be used instead, I would increase high-calorie foods such as full-fat yogurt or avocado, rather than cereals, fruit or vegetables, which are primarily carbohydrates and are lower calories per volume than formula, breastmilk, or fatty foods like avocado. Some babies don't want to eat during the day because they're so busy learning new skills, and have to make up for their lack of calories at night. Again, this is not a problem for the baby. It may be for the parent. It is a temporary situation however. --angela |
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HELP!!!! - Feeding
My suggestions are fourfold:
First, dinner at 4:30 seems very very very early. Try to push it later 10 minutes or so every couple days until you get to say 5:30. At that age, my triplets were eating at 7am (bottle), 8:45 (food), 11 (bottle), 12:30 (food), and finally 5:30pm (food) then bottle at 6:30-6:45 -- in bed at 7. They had voluntarily given up the 3pm bottle, btw, not had it taken away. Second, try to get a bit more food down her all day rather than just pushing the bottle at night. I think feeding her just before you go to bed is a fine idea, but you *might* like to try a night or tow of not doing so -- I concluded with one of mine that part of the problem was gas in the night that woke her and then she wanted food to sleep again. When I cut back on evening feeds, she had less gas and she actually did better. Just something to try. Third, neither of my girls went without a bottle and/or slept through the night til they were well over a year -- one was 19 months when she quit the bottle at night habit (and slept thru), the other was about 15 months but then still needed us to find her pacifier several times a night til she was almost 2. Now, I need my sleep more than the next girl, but frankly, it's not that big a deal once you learn to *minimize* the sleep disruption by *maximizing* the speed of the event. SO: if you can't get her to sleep thru yet, then make sure that everything is organized so you are out of bed the minimum amount of time. We used mini bottles (2 oz) from the ICU that Girl #1 could hold herself, so we didn't have to get her out of the crib and waste all that time and energy. If you don't have those, a couple of 4 oz bottles might be a good investment and don't fill them full. That way, there's no need to burp her, either. The bottle was ready in the fridge. 22 seconds in the microwave. A good shake. She just sucks it down and goes back to sleep. With practice, I could be back in bed in under 5 minutes (2 minutes once she was big enough that I didn't have to worry about her choking -- she just threw the bottle away when she was done!!). Daddy did the duty on Fri and Sat, me during the week. Finally, go to bed earlier yourself. I got into the habit of going to bed at about 9:15 for a few years. Yes, it cut back on my evening (although I'm lucky to get even 2.25 hours to myself these days since EHC go to bed so much later now) but the shorter evening was worth it for *not* feeling like s**t every morning. HTH. --Janet Elliot, Hanna, Connor (10/21/96) and Holly (4/4/01) "Joanne H." wrote in message ... I am the mother of twin girls they are 81/2 months old (corrected 61/2 months old) the youngest sleeps through night all the time! The older one doesn't!!! infact every night with her last bottle we have a battle on our hands (which I have learnt to accept) I have a job to get her to have 3oz of milk let alone 7oz!! I thought I would then feed her again just as I was about to go to bed myself she had 4 - 6oz which was ok, then I don't want her to get used to that, well I am up again with her in the night as she is now hungry! I give her a bottle which she has 4 - 6oz of milk and then settles. I have tried giving her water so she doesn't get into the habit of comfort feeding that does not help at all. They are having 3 bottles a day and bfast lunch & dinner, I make all my own food for them so it is fresh food. They both wake up in the morning between 7am - 7:30am I give them their bottle which they have between 5oz - 7oz. Breakfast - weetabix @9am Bottle@ 11am Lunch@ 1pm Vegetables & Yoghurt each Tea@ 4pm - 4:30pm Veg or baked beans and cheese followed by fruit Bath 6pm Bottle 6:30pm Bed!!! Any advice would be nice as I am just so tired all the time and fighting a loosing battle really! What are your suggestions? Jo |
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HELP!!!! - Feeding
My suggestions are fourfold:
First, dinner at 4:30 seems very very very early. Try to push it later 10 minutes or so every couple days until you get to say 5:30. At that age, my triplets were eating at 7am (bottle), 8:45 (food), 11 (bottle), 12:30 (food), and finally 5:30pm (food) then bottle at 6:30-6:45 -- in bed at 7. They had voluntarily given up the 3pm bottle, btw, not had it taken away. Second, try to get a bit more food down her all day rather than just pushing the bottle at night. I think feeding her just before you go to bed is a fine idea, but you *might* like to try a night or tow of not doing so -- I concluded with one of mine that part of the problem was gas in the night that woke her and then she wanted food to sleep again. When I cut back on evening feeds, she had less gas and she actually did better. Just something to try. Third, neither of my girls went without a bottle and/or slept through the night til they were well over a year -- one was 19 months when she quit the bottle at night habit (and slept thru), the other was about 15 months but then still needed us to find her pacifier several times a night til she was almost 2. Now, I need my sleep more than the next girl, but frankly, it's not that big a deal once you learn to *minimize* the sleep disruption by *maximizing* the speed of the event. SO: if you can't get her to sleep thru yet, then make sure that everything is organized so you are out of bed the minimum amount of time. We used mini bottles (2 oz) from the ICU that Girl #1 could hold herself, so we didn't have to get her out of the crib and waste all that time and energy. If you don't have those, a couple of 4 oz bottles might be a good investment and don't fill them full. That way, there's no need to burp her, either. The bottle was ready in the fridge. 22 seconds in the microwave. A good shake. She just sucks it down and goes back to sleep. With practice, I could be back in bed in under 5 minutes (2 minutes once she was big enough that I didn't have to worry about her choking -- she just threw the bottle away when she was done!!). Daddy did the duty on Fri and Sat, me during the week. Finally, go to bed earlier yourself. I got into the habit of going to bed at about 9:15 for a few years. Yes, it cut back on my evening (although I'm lucky to get even 2.25 hours to myself these days since EHC go to bed so much later now) but the shorter evening was worth it for *not* feeling like s**t every morning. HTH. --Janet Elliot, Hanna, Connor (10/21/96) and Holly (4/4/01) "Joanne H." wrote in message ... I am the mother of twin girls they are 81/2 months old (corrected 61/2 months old) the youngest sleeps through night all the time! The older one doesn't!!! infact every night with her last bottle we have a battle on our hands (which I have learnt to accept) I have a job to get her to have 3oz of milk let alone 7oz!! I thought I would then feed her again just as I was about to go to bed myself she had 4 - 6oz which was ok, then I don't want her to get used to that, well I am up again with her in the night as she is now hungry! I give her a bottle which she has 4 - 6oz of milk and then settles. I have tried giving her water so she doesn't get into the habit of comfort feeding that does not help at all. They are having 3 bottles a day and bfast lunch & dinner, I make all my own food for them so it is fresh food. They both wake up in the morning between 7am - 7:30am I give them their bottle which they have between 5oz - 7oz. Breakfast - weetabix @9am Bottle@ 11am Lunch@ 1pm Vegetables & Yoghurt each Tea@ 4pm - 4:30pm Veg or baked beans and cheese followed by fruit Bath 6pm Bottle 6:30pm Bed!!! Any advice would be nice as I am just so tired all the time and fighting a loosing battle really! What are your suggestions? Jo |
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HELP!!!! - Feeding
Just want to add that I totally agree with Angela (Chotii). While I would
try to push food (and, as she says, especially FORMULA) during the day, and feed dinner later, and reduce the potential for nighttime gas by a good burp or a smaller feeding in the night, and all the things I suggested, I totally agree that if she's hungry at night she needs to be FED no matter what other things are being tried day by day to reduce the wakefulness. --Janet Elliot, Hanna, Connor (10/21/96) and Holly (4/4/01) "Chotii" wrote in message ... "Cindy Senger" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Chotii" wrote in message .. . "Joanne H." wrote in message They both wake up in the morning between 7am - 7:30am I give them their bottle which they have between 5oz - 7oz. Breakfast - weetabix @9am Bottle@ 11am Lunch@ 1pm Vegetables & Yoghurt each Tea@ 4pm - 4:30pm Veg or baked beans and cheese followed by fruit Bath 6pm Bottle 6:30pm With all due respect, you only describe them getting 2 bottles a day... ...okay, somebody emailed me to correct my reading comprehension - I had missed the first bottle at 7am. However, I *still* stand by what I said before, with edits. I still think 10-11 hours is too long to ask your average 6 month old to sleep without waking to eat, and that such a baby who wakes up wanting to eat *is* hungry, and needs to eat. I also stand by my concern about there being adequate nutrition for a 6 1/2 month old infant (corrected age) in 3 bottles and the solids described. My twins, who were also about two months early were sleeping through the night consistently at three months-- I'm talking 11 or 12 hours uninterrupted. Obviously, they did not eat during the night. On the very few occasions that they woke hungry, I did feed them, but that probably only happened a dozen times between three months and one year. They did get five or six bottles of formula a day, though and much less real food than the OP describes. Ah! But there's a world of difference between saying "Some babies will naturally sleep through the night, even 12 hours straight at the age of 6 months" and saying "Because some babies do, all babies *can*, and therefore this baby in particular *ought* to, and night wakings indicate a problem because the child *should not* be hungry". Some babies naturally wake at night. Some babies naturally wake hungry. This is not a problem for the baby. It *may* be a problem for the parents, and it *may* be something that can be addressed by increasing caloric intake during the day. With an infant of this age, I would increase calories via formula (or breastmilk) rather than solids, or if solids must be used instead, I would increase high-calorie foods such as full-fat yogurt or avocado, rather than cereals, fruit or vegetables, which are primarily carbohydrates and are lower calories per volume than formula, breastmilk, or fatty foods like avocado. Some babies don't want to eat during the day because they're so busy learning new skills, and have to make up for their lack of calories at night. Again, this is not a problem for the baby. It may be for the parent. It is a temporary situation however. --angela |
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HELP!!!! - Feeding
Just want to add that I totally agree with Angela (Chotii). While I would
try to push food (and, as she says, especially FORMULA) during the day, and feed dinner later, and reduce the potential for nighttime gas by a good burp or a smaller feeding in the night, and all the things I suggested, I totally agree that if she's hungry at night she needs to be FED no matter what other things are being tried day by day to reduce the wakefulness. --Janet Elliot, Hanna, Connor (10/21/96) and Holly (4/4/01) "Chotii" wrote in message ... "Cindy Senger" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Chotii" wrote in message .. . "Joanne H." wrote in message They both wake up in the morning between 7am - 7:30am I give them their bottle which they have between 5oz - 7oz. Breakfast - weetabix @9am Bottle@ 11am Lunch@ 1pm Vegetables & Yoghurt each Tea@ 4pm - 4:30pm Veg or baked beans and cheese followed by fruit Bath 6pm Bottle 6:30pm With all due respect, you only describe them getting 2 bottles a day... ...okay, somebody emailed me to correct my reading comprehension - I had missed the first bottle at 7am. However, I *still* stand by what I said before, with edits. I still think 10-11 hours is too long to ask your average 6 month old to sleep without waking to eat, and that such a baby who wakes up wanting to eat *is* hungry, and needs to eat. I also stand by my concern about there being adequate nutrition for a 6 1/2 month old infant (corrected age) in 3 bottles and the solids described. My twins, who were also about two months early were sleeping through the night consistently at three months-- I'm talking 11 or 12 hours uninterrupted. Obviously, they did not eat during the night. On the very few occasions that they woke hungry, I did feed them, but that probably only happened a dozen times between three months and one year. They did get five or six bottles of formula a day, though and much less real food than the OP describes. Ah! But there's a world of difference between saying "Some babies will naturally sleep through the night, even 12 hours straight at the age of 6 months" and saying "Because some babies do, all babies *can*, and therefore this baby in particular *ought* to, and night wakings indicate a problem because the child *should not* be hungry". Some babies naturally wake at night. Some babies naturally wake hungry. This is not a problem for the baby. It *may* be a problem for the parents, and it *may* be something that can be addressed by increasing caloric intake during the day. With an infant of this age, I would increase calories via formula (or breastmilk) rather than solids, or if solids must be used instead, I would increase high-calorie foods such as full-fat yogurt or avocado, rather than cereals, fruit or vegetables, which are primarily carbohydrates and are lower calories per volume than formula, breastmilk, or fatty foods like avocado. Some babies don't want to eat during the day because they're so busy learning new skills, and have to make up for their lack of calories at night. Again, this is not a problem for the baby. It may be for the parent. It is a temporary situation however. --angela |
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My twins, who were also about two months early were sleeping through the night consistently at three months-- I'm talking 11 or 12 hours uninterrupted. Obviously, they did not eat during the night. On the very few occasions that they woke hungry, I did feed them, but that probably only happened a dozen times between three months and one year. They did get five or six bottles of formula a day, though and much less real food than the OP describes. Ah! But there's a world of difference between saying "Some babies will naturally sleep through the night, even 12 hours straight at the age of 6 months" and saying "Because some babies do, all babies *can*, and therefore this baby in particular *ought* to, and night wakings indicate a problem because the child *should not* be hungry". Some babies naturally wake at night. Some babies naturally wake hungry. This is not a problem for the baby. It *may* be a problem for the parents, and it *may* be something that can be addressed by increasing caloric intake during the day. With an infant of this age, I would increase calories via formula (or breastmilk) rather than solids, or if solids must be used instead, I would increase high-calorie foods such as full-fat yogurt or avocado, rather than cereals, fruit or vegetables, which are primarily carbohydrates and are lower calories per volume than formula, breastmilk, or fatty foods like avocado. Some babies don't want to eat during the day because they're so busy learning new skills, and have to make up for their lack of calories at night. Again, this is not a problem for the baby. It may be for the parent. It is a temporary situation however. --angela I absolutely agree with you, Angela-- if the kid is waking up hungry (which is what I would assume with a child this young!) feed him/her!! In my exhausted state last night, I wasn't really clear-- but wanted to point out that some kids do sleep through that early. Also wanted to point out that at the same age my kids were getting lots more formula and likely more calories during the day-- which may have helped. I really didn't mean to imply there was a problem with the night wakings-- or that hunger isn't the problem-- I think it is hunger that is waking the child. My four-month-old is not sleeping through the night, so I didn't get totally lucky with all my kids. And she's not getting close to it, I don't think. So, it could be a few months for me, too-- and that's okay. I think you have to adjust your thinking and schedules a bit-- go to bed earlier and *expect* to have to get up. That makes it easier for me!! Sorry to be so muddled-- I hope this post makes more sense, though I make no promises!! -Cindy (mom to Ashlyn and Allyson 6/99 and Jenna 6/03) |
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HELP!!!! - Feeding
My twins, who were also about two months early were sleeping through the night consistently at three months-- I'm talking 11 or 12 hours uninterrupted. Obviously, they did not eat during the night. On the very few occasions that they woke hungry, I did feed them, but that probably only happened a dozen times between three months and one year. They did get five or six bottles of formula a day, though and much less real food than the OP describes. Ah! But there's a world of difference between saying "Some babies will naturally sleep through the night, even 12 hours straight at the age of 6 months" and saying "Because some babies do, all babies *can*, and therefore this baby in particular *ought* to, and night wakings indicate a problem because the child *should not* be hungry". Some babies naturally wake at night. Some babies naturally wake hungry. This is not a problem for the baby. It *may* be a problem for the parents, and it *may* be something that can be addressed by increasing caloric intake during the day. With an infant of this age, I would increase calories via formula (or breastmilk) rather than solids, or if solids must be used instead, I would increase high-calorie foods such as full-fat yogurt or avocado, rather than cereals, fruit or vegetables, which are primarily carbohydrates and are lower calories per volume than formula, breastmilk, or fatty foods like avocado. Some babies don't want to eat during the day because they're so busy learning new skills, and have to make up for their lack of calories at night. Again, this is not a problem for the baby. It may be for the parent. It is a temporary situation however. --angela I absolutely agree with you, Angela-- if the kid is waking up hungry (which is what I would assume with a child this young!) feed him/her!! In my exhausted state last night, I wasn't really clear-- but wanted to point out that some kids do sleep through that early. Also wanted to point out that at the same age my kids were getting lots more formula and likely more calories during the day-- which may have helped. I really didn't mean to imply there was a problem with the night wakings-- or that hunger isn't the problem-- I think it is hunger that is waking the child. My four-month-old is not sleeping through the night, so I didn't get totally lucky with all my kids. And she's not getting close to it, I don't think. So, it could be a few months for me, too-- and that's okay. I think you have to adjust your thinking and schedules a bit-- go to bed earlier and *expect* to have to get up. That makes it easier for me!! Sorry to be so muddled-- I hope this post makes more sense, though I make no promises!! -Cindy (mom to Ashlyn and Allyson 6/99 and Jenna 6/03) |
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Can I just clear things up for you all.
If either of my girls wake up hungry in the night they get a bottle, simple, although this happens 3 or 4 nights a week and only with Abbie. Olivia sleeps right through most nights, waking up "for a chat" not crying or hungry! They get a bottle at 7am, 11am and before they go to bed, with solids in between. They get plenty of milk with Weetabix (full fat cows milk) and a good supply of vitamins, minerals etc with other foods (such as beef, chicken, fruit, veg etc). They eat plenty of yoghurt too which has development milk in it. They have been feeding for themselves (ie. no nasal tubes) for 7.5 months too. They are gaining weight and seem happy until I try giving Abbie milk before she goes to bed. Having said that she has improved in the last week as we've left the last feed until a little later and made sure she is too tired to try and put up a fight (she then has 7 to 8ozs!). A few people have said she plays up because she doesn't want to go to bed and I'm beginning to believe them! I only came on this newsgroup for advice, not criticism. I have plenty of friends who have children that have slept through from 3 or 4 months old and some from 7pm to 9am, which is 14 hours. Choti - are you a professional mother or just think everyone should do what you've done? Thanks to the sympathetic ears among you!! Jo. "Joanne H." wrote in message ... I am the mother of twin girls they are 81/2 months old (corrected 61/2 months old) the youngest sleeps through night all the time! The older one doesn't!!! infact every night with her last bottle we have a battle on our hands (which I have learnt to accept) I have a job to get her to have 3oz of milk let alone 7oz!! I thought I would then feed her again just as I was about to go to bed myself she had 4 - 6oz which was ok, then I don't want her to get used to that, well I am up again with her in the night as she is now hungry! I give her a bottle which she has 4 - 6oz of milk and then settles. I have tried giving her water so she doesn't get into the habit of comfort feeding that does not help at all. They are having 3 bottles a day and bfast lunch & dinner, I make all my own food for them so it is fresh food. They both wake up in the morning between 7am - 7:30am I give them their bottle which they have between 5oz - 7oz. Breakfast - weetabix @9am Bottle@ 11am Lunch@ 1pm Vegetables & Yoghurt each Tea@ 4pm - 4:30pm Veg or baked beans and cheese followed by fruit Bath 6pm Bottle 6:30pm Bed!!! Any advice would be nice as I am just so tired all the time and fighting a loosing battle really! What are your suggestions? Jo |
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