Elimination of mercury

addional links below.

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
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None of these articles have anything to do with the use of chelation
therapy and the removal of heavy metals from the body. Nor do any of
them have to do with the potentially lethal side effects of chelation
therapy. Not that we're surprised that Jan off off topic - again.

What are you blathering about?

Most people post what they are replying to.

FACT: It was NOT me that mentioned chelation in this thread.



And your article is wrong, but seeing as they're written by a bunch of
paranoid conspiracists, we're not surprised. Chelation therapy with
EDTA/EGTA has a few medical uses, and is currently in at least a dozen
clinical trials. It's just not the cure-all you and your ilk like to
pretend it is. I'll write this out the way you like, but unlike you I'll
support my statements with outside material:

What article? Where have I ever mentioned a cure-all??

FACT: Chelation therapy is not an effective treatment for heavy-metal
contamination.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m

This one is good - education and cleanup do more then chelation for lead
poisoning:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=8899376

See the title of this thread.. It is NOT about lead.

FACT: Chelation therapy is used by the general medical community, and is
a current topic of several clinical trials, even though it has few proven
benefits:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um

FACT: Chelation therapy is very risky, and is associated with multiple
deaths. Which is why a lot of work has gone into finding alternatives
which are safer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um

Bryan

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m

http://drcranton.com/chelation/research.htm

http://www.bioprobe.com/reviews.asp?review_id=11

http://drcranton.com/index.html

http://www.cancure.org/directory_clinics.htm

http://www.chelationforlife.com/

http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surg...etition/11.htm
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FDA-approved and widely accepted treatment for heavy-metal poisoning.

Dr. Garry Gordon, the "Father" of chelation therapy
http://www.oralchelation.com/LifeGlo...hnical/p51.htm

Jan Drew wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" wrote:
"cathyb" wrote:


Jason Johnson wrote:
In article .com,
"cathyb" wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
snip

If a college biology professor stated that a "creator" created
mankind
and lots
of plants and animals, I doubt that his political correct bosses
and
fellow professors would treat him with much respect. I should note
that
Darwin mentioned that he believed that a creator was involved in
the
creation of life on this earth in the last paragraph
of his famous book. Some high school science teachers have been
fired for
telling their students that God created life.

If the professor came up with some evidence for his contention, he
would be treated with respect; this hasn't so far happened. He
would,
quite rightly, be treated with derision in any science department if
he
tried to make such a claim without evidence.


If a chemistry professor stated that mercury was the cause of
autism, I
doubt that he would be treated with the same respect that they
treated
other professors and his bosses.

If the professor came up with some evidence for his contention, he
would be treated with respect; this hasn't so far happened. He
would,
quite rightly, be treated with derision in any science department if
he
tried to make such a claim without evidence.


The reason that professors are not fired is usually because of
tenure
(sp ??).

Oh, I see. You have no example of anyone being fired for teaching
that
pollution doesn't cause global warming. Not surprising; it's not a
done
deal and there are arguments and research showing that it does, and
that it's negligible in the big scheme of climate change. I know
little
about it, but the consensus seems to be moving steadily towards
pollution being a major problem.

But basically, you were bull****ting when you wrote that someone
would
be fired for disagreeing with that consensus.


What is your opinion of Dr. Boyd Haley?

Very low indeed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,
Thanks for your post. No, I don't know the names of any professors
that
have been fired for teaching their students that global warming also
took
place during PETM (Paleocene/Eocene Thermal Maximun). Some experts
believe
that the
global warming that is now taking place is happening for the same
reasons
that it took place during PETM.

I've no idea if that is so, but I'll take your word for it. Your
argument is specious, though: no professor would be fired for that
reason, because no professor would deny, or even try to hide the fact
that the earth has been subject to global warming before. It's not in
question. Although I don't know the specifics, not being a
climatologist, it's common knowledge that the earth has suffered
periods of cooling and warming. The question is whether suffering
warming now, and if so, is mankind contributing?


Pollution is a major problem but volcanoes
are usually ignored when global warming is discussed in science
classes. I
have NOT seen Al Gore's movie about global warming but it's my guess
that
the "pollution" produced by volcanoes was NOT discussed in detail in
that
movie.

Why not watch it instead of guessing? Gore, of course, is neither a
climatologist or a professor: he's a politician and entertainer, and
not really relevant to a discussion of academic freedom.


It's my guess that the people that work with Dr. Boyd Haley also have
a
"low" opinion about Dr. Boyd Haley. His bosses probably give have
poor
evaluations.

Obviously that wouldn't surprise me either, since he's come up with a
theory and failed to provide any evidence to back it up. Oh, and he's
sticking with it in the face of evidence that refutes it, always a bit
embarrassing for a scientist.


Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cathy,
I visited google and typed "fired professors" and found lots of examples
of professors that have been fired. In some of those cases, academic
freedom was
involved. I tried to copy and paste one of the articles but failed. I
suggest that you type the name "Thomas Klocek" into the google search
engine and read
some of those articles. He was a professor that taught that Israel had a
right
to exist and was an advocate for Israel. Some of the Arab students in
his
class (or classes) complained and he was fired. I believe that this is a
clear cut case of Professor Kocek's Academic Freedom being violated. I
could not find any examples of professors that were fired related to
teaching that global warming is NOT caused by pollution from factories
and
cars. I am sorry that I did not write down the URL of the site that I
visited.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I certainly don't deny that academic freedoms are occasionally
infringed, although in the case you mention, I think it was simply his
freedom of speech that was infringed, since he was fired over something
that had nothing to do with his work; apparently he got into a
political slanging match outside of the classroom.

However, you claimed that someone would be fired for disagreeing with
the prevailing consensus in the context of their work; the examples
that you gave were a biologist espousing creationism and a climate
scientist not espousing a human impetus for global warming.

This is nonsense: if these scientists provided evidence to back up
their hypotheses, they would be listened to; if they did not they would
rightly be derided. For the first case, no such evidence has been
found; for the second, there are a fair few scientists out there
denying that global warming is caused by pollution, and I haven't
noticed any of them being sacked.

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

Is that an anecdote?? Hypocrrite. Proven Liar+spammer.

You're not making sense again, Jan. Remedial English.

Actually, Jan, some behavioural therapy wouldn't go astray either; your
impulse to spout nonsense and insults whenever you use a keyboard could
probably be controlled.




http://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/ian.plimer
--
Peter Bowditch

"Jan Drew" wrote:

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

Is that an anecdote?? Hypocrrite. Proven Liar+spammer.

No, Jan, it is not an anecdote. And if it was, so what? Have you met
Professor Plimer? Have you had dinner with Professor Plimer at the
Star of Thailand restaurant in Willoughby?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Jan Drew wrote:

FDA-approved and widely accepted treatment for heavy-metal poisoning.

Dr. Garry Gordon, the "Father" of chelation therapy
http://www.oralchelation.com/LifeGlo...hnical/p51.htm


Not any more, and was never common for mercury as it doesn't work with
mercury toxicity. For other heavy metals, EDTA has long since been
replaced with more effective drugs. Heavy metal poisoning is now
treated with more specific drugs, such as DMSA, as these drugs actually
work (EDTA was notorious for only removing blood-born heavy metals,
while leaving those in the tissues - i.e. those which cause toxicity -
alone).

Even in the past, EDTA was never heavily used as other drugs (BaL)
worked better. Today, EDTA is either no longer used, or is used as a
secondary carrier, for heavy metal toxicity. EDTA was never approved by
the FDA as a treatment for mercury poisoning, as it doesn't work with
this particular heavy metal. Rather, drugs such as DMSA, DMPS and ALA
were and are used.

Bryan

Bryan Heit wrote:
Jan Drew wrote:

FDA-approved and widely accepted treatment for heavy-metal poisoning.

Dr. Garry Gordon, the "Father" of chelation therapy
http://www.oralchelation.com/LifeGlo...hnical/p51.htm


Not any more, and was never common for mercury as it doesn't work with
mercury toxicity.

Got proof? It seems to be that the AltNuts take it as gospel that it is
the cats meow when it comes to curing autism.


For other heavy metals, EDTA has long since been
replaced with more effective drugs. Heavy metal poisoning is now
treated with more specific drugs, such as DMSA, as these drugs actually
work (EDTA was notorious for only removing blood-born heavy metals,
while leaving those in the tissues - i.e. those which cause toxicity -
alone).

Even in the past, EDTA was never heavily used as other drugs (BaL)
worked better. Today, EDTA is either no longer used, or is used as a
secondary carrier, for heavy metal toxicity. EDTA was never approved by
the FDA as a treatment for mercury poisoning, as it doesn't work with
this particular heavy metal. Rather, drugs such as DMSA, DMPS and ALA
were and are used.

Bryan

"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
...
Jan Drew wrote:

FDA-approved and widely accepted treatment for heavy-metal poisoning.

Dr. Garry Gordon, the "Father" of chelation therapy
http://www.oralchelation.com/LifeGlo...hnical/p51.htm


Not any more, and was never common for mercury as it doesn't work with
mercury toxicity. For other heavy metals, EDTA has long since been
replaced with more effective drugs. Heavy metal poisoning is now treated
with more specific drugs, such as DMSA, as these drugs actually work (EDTA
was notorious for only removing blood-born heavy metals, while leaving
those in the tissues - i.e. those which cause toxicity - alone).

When-why? Was it not approved any more?
No need to answer. I already know why.

I posted it.

The Sacred Cow of Bypass Surgeryby James Biddle MD

You are telling *me* it doesn't work for mercury toxicity. LOL!


Even in the past, EDTA was never heavily used as other drugs (BaL) worked
better. Today, EDTA is either no longer used, or is used as a secondary
carrier, for heavy metal toxicity. EDTA was never approved by the FDA as
a treatment for mercury poisoning, as it doesn't work with this particular
heavy metal. Rather, drugs such as DMSA, DMPS and ALA were and are used.

Bryan

You are not aware of DMPS dangers?

"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

Is that an anecdote?? Hypocrrite. Proven Liar+spammer.

No, Jan, it is not an anecdote. And if it was, so what?

LOL! It is not an anecdote. And if so.

Can't make up your other mind.


Have you met
Professor Plimer? Have you had dinner with Professor Plimer at the
Star of Thailand restaurant in Willoughby?

That's not an anecdote..............................

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

anecdote


Not hearsay?

Not rumor?

Dictionary. Got one?

: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth
--
Peter Bowditch

Jan Drew wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

Is that an anecdote?? Hypocrrite. Proven Liar+spammer.

No, Jan, it is not an anecdote. And if it was, so what?

LOL! It is not an anecdote. And if so.

Can't make up your other mind.

?? Jan, please stop posting gibberish.


Have you met
Professor Plimer? Have you had dinner with Professor Plimer at the
Star of Thailand restaurant in Willoughby?

That's not an anecdote..............................

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

anecdote


Not hearsay?

Not rumor?

Dictionary. Got one?

: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth
--
Peter Bowditch

"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
.. .
"Jan Drew" wrote:

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

Is that an anecdote?? Hypocrrite. Proven Liar+spammer.

No, Jan, it is not an anecdote. And if it was, so what?

LOL! It is not an anecdote. And if so.

Can't make up your other mind.

WTF are you babbling about? Do you really not understand how English
expressions are constructed?



Have you met
Professor Plimer? Have you had dinner with Professor Plimer at the
Star of Thailand restaurant in Willoughby?

That's not an anecdote..............................

You're right, it's a question. Two questions, actually. I can answer
"Yes" to both. Can you?


I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

anecdote


Not hearsay?

I am not giving evidence in a court. If you reject any report by
anyone of anything they heard someone else say then you are not going
to receive much information. I notice that you snipped the URL showing
Professor Plimer's position at the University of Adelaide.


Not rumor?

No, it is not a rumour. It is a statement of something I observed. It
was at the Chatswood Club (some time in 2002 or 2003, I think). There
were many other people there.


Dictionary. Got one?

: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source

I am the source.

2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

That definition might be useful if we were talking about a rumour
(such as the one about mercury in vaccines causing autism), but we are
not.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
. ..
"Jan Drew" wrote:

I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

Is that an anecdote?? Hypocrrite. Proven Liar+spammer.

No, Jan, it is not an anecdote. And if it was, so what?

LOL! It is not an anecdote. And if so.

Can't make up your other mind.

WTF are you babbling about? Do you really not understand how English
expressions are constructed?

Humor challeged, Pete ole boy.


Have you met
Professor Plimer? Have you had dinner with Professor Plimer at the
Star of Thailand restaurant in Willoughby?

That's not an anecdote..............................

You're right, it's a question. Two questions, actually. I can answer
"Yes" to both. Can you?

What you wrote is below. NO questions there.


I've sat in the room when Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining
Geology at the University of Adelaide, expressed what could only be
called dissident views about global warming. He was at the University
of Melbourne then, but he got a better job at UoA later.

anecdote


Not hearsay?

I am not giving evidence in a court.

Another anecdote. Slow learner.


If you reject any report by
anyone of anything they heard someone else say then you are not going
to receive much information. I notice that you snipped the URL showing
Professor Plimer's position at the University of Adelaide.


Not rumor?

No, it is not a rumour. It is a statement of something I observed. It
was at the Chatswood Club (some time in 2002 or 2003, I think). There
were many other people there.

Another anecdote....................


Dictionary. Got one?

: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source

I am the source.

ROTFLOL!!

2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

That definition might be useful if we were talking about a rumour
(such as the one about mercury in vaccines causing autism), but we are
not.

Oh, the definition fits you to a T.

--
Peter Bowditch