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On 21 Mar 2005, Greegor wrote: If Tasers are OK for kids, when will parents be allowed to use them? After all, parents might use a Taser on their kid in certain lifesaving emergencies! Running toward a busy street PssZat! Running toward a swimming pool PssZat! Holed up in their room holding a sharp object PssZat! Who will train and license parents in their use on kids? I suspect Kane would rather teach kids how to use them on parents! Hah! Hah! Hah! Thanks for a good laugh to brighten my Monday. Kane is a real character! He is a prime example of a "never-spanked" boy! ;-) Doan |
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bobb wrote: wrote in message oups.com... bobb wrote: wrote in message oups.com... bobb wrote: Kane, Doug did a more than adquate job revisiting your stand in support of using a taser on six year olds using your own posts. Nonsense. All he did was try the usual crappola, "don't bother to think for yourself" appeal to emotions using the "poor helpless innocent child" line again. I find it beneath contempt to use a child trying, whether he know it or not, to commit suicide for his, that is Doug's sickminded ****. Doug's input consisted of, if one followed it, either getting someone injured, or the standing back and letting the boy likely kill himself. You people are FICKING SUCK. (no, not a typo) I should kept my reply in the singler... not plural. Whatever are you blathering? There is no sense in that statement given your words in this post. Are you inPUCKINGsane? Gosh, one of you is enough R R R ...obviously, given that most the time on issues you assholes try to peddle you bull**** with here I am outnumbered and still wipe your asses raw. but I am enough of a realist REALIST? Yah got's to be friggering kiddin' bobber. YOU, a slimy, nonsense filled pile of ****, a misogynistic batherer, a child hating, authority phobic creep, with delusions of self importance, YOU, talking about being a "realist?" You a lowlife scum sucking racist bigot, bobber. to know fools love company... Ah, you finally understand what I mean when I refer to the "twitsquadquad," which, by the way, seems to have reduced itself to the TwitteringTrio. so there must be more of you somewhere. What you'll find bobber, much to your dismay, or to your descent into further denial and spastic catatonic withdrawal, is that YES, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF ME OUTHERE, SOMEWHERE. And we are closing in on you uncivilized savages that have been holding back humanity and have nearly destroyed the planet a time or two. Your days, bobber, collectively, are Puggering, NUMBERED. bobb **** off with your sex abuser apologist crappola, your rapist minimizing ****, your anti society and authority bull, your hate and fear driven homophobia, your woman hating viciousness. We're sick of you. And when sane, responsible, concerned people get sick of something we don't sit on our asses whining. We DO something about it. That's why you assholes are deep into the whining and lying stage, bobber, and the delusional denial. BECAUSE YOU SENSE WE ARE ON TO YOUR AND YOUR CRAP AND THE END IS NEAR FOR YOU TWITTERERS. You and your sick causes of destruction are winding down. Hope you enjoy your 'retirement.' Adn we are going to use your own **** to scrub you out of existence. WE, bobber, are a happy bunch of fun loving, caring for each other -- without discrimination, pack of joyful folks laughing you off the planet. Get used to it. Our cackles and harty laughter will be the last thing you folks hear as you fade away. It's over. We are already in mop up phase. Kane Well, Kane.. if this post.. and the many others you write, are indicitive of being "a happy bunch of fun loving, care for each ... pack of joyful folk" I'd suggest you're deceiving yourself... by hiding in your own gloom, your own anger, and your own dissappointments. Gloom? Anger? Bobber, exposure of twits such as you, Doug, greegor, furneal are some of the most joyfilled moments I have. What is it about anger and disappointment with SOME of humanity you take as cutting me off from joy, or fun? We all have down times and have been victims of this or that, or have even been treated unfairly....but I think the majority of us count our blessing, pick up and move on instead of standing by and feeling oh so sorry for ourselves. You apparently haven't been reading greegor or Doug. Let alone Furneal. bobb Like you they are "victim" slingers. Everything is shrouded in the "victim" outcomes they claim have happened, are happening, and will happen, that amouth to, in the real world, about 20% or so of their claim..and your claims. Most of us bobber, do NOT feel overwhelmed by The System, and know damn well, should WE encounter it, how to deal effectively with it. It's you doomsayers that are loser, bobber, the pack of yah. You haven't faintest idea how to have fun kickin' butt on the system. You are whiner, and in fact, from Douggie to Furneal, you are nothing BUT a pack of whiners. Lying, conniving, sly, manipulative, self deluding whiners and naysayers. I don't beleive any of those you mention, including myself, take any joy in 'kickin butt', Kane... even yours. Nonsense, bobber. You live for it. So do they. Read their posts. We're not here to be aggressive... R R R R R R....sure, bobber. Sure. Just try people before they go to court, make insinuating claims of other's intent, post bogus or shallow data and information...that's not "agreesive," now is it, bobber? bobber, I'm kindly toward the liars and fools compared to what the liars and fools propogate against helpless children and families in need that come here. You misdirect ONE parent that comes here in need, and bobber, you haven't been just agreesive, you have been viciously cruel. read their posts... I hear an echo in here. and I doubt that anyone harbors the anger and hatred you often display. Passive aggressive sickos that cloak their vicious meanness in polite words. And ignorant peddlers of sick biases. THAT, my little ****ed up friend is "anger and hatred." Neither are we blinded by individual self-interests. Funny. I see it in your all the time. Often there is an exchange of ideas and thoughts... some of which we agree.. other we disagree... and it is those little grey area that create debates. "Little grey areas?" Like "let's not ruin a boys life just because he, at 15 or 16, plied a 12 year old with druggs and then ****ed her, and got her pregnant and his parents would help support the resulting child" little grey areas? Those? Yeh, I often play devils advocate... Meaning you take positions you actually do not believe in so that you can challenge others in debate? Oh. So you are against those teen rapists of little girls? Boy what a relief. sometime I express thoughts I wouldn't, or couldn't discuss with anyone else but I have no axe to grind. Oh, you just respect women all the live long day you do. And you don't think the 'messicans' are out to get us, really. And you know that something is horribly amiss in a society that has so screwed over some segments of society that even the researchers can't get their heads on straight. I see. Again, I'm so relieved you are just pretending. There are contributors who really do stir up the brain waves and others who.. well.. they're just fun. And you are both. bobb Well now, that makes us buddies, that's for sure. 0;- Kane It's all just too much for you, isn't now, bobber? Go pick your nose. At least that you might have a chance of some success with. Kane |
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Today I saw a very good example of ineffective use of spanking.
Clearly the mother was not credible with the kids. As she demands compliance for the tenth time with no consequence it became clear that she had no credibility with the kids. Her word means nothing. Lack of credibility and wildly out of control kids would be a FAILURE in either spanking or non-spanking methods. She probably uses spanking only to express anger at home also! There really should be more parenting classes teaching how to properly use spanking. Such an example does not prove a failure of spanking but a failure in credibility and follow through. Comparing a bad example of either method against a good example of the other would never be fair. |
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Greegor wrote: Today I saw a very good example of ineffective use of spanking. Clearly the mother was not credible with the kids. As she demands compliance for the tenth time with no consequence it became clear that she had no credibility with the kids. Her word means nothing. Lack of credibility and wildly out of control kids would be a FAILURE in either spanking or non-spanking methods. She probably uses spanking only to express anger at home also! There really should be more parenting classes teaching how to properly use spanking. Such an example does not prove a failure of spanking but a failure in credibility and follow through. Comparing a bad example of either method against a good example of the other would never be fair. And you know nonpunitive methods to result in this kind of child behavior how, greegor? My own experience is that because the parent and the child, in attachment parenting that focuses on methods that are not punitive, these situations are easily resolved. Each respects the other. I've seen children absolutely burned out from being tired, disappointed, disgruntled, even scared, with both parent and child near to or in tears, absolutely refusing to "punish" each other to get their way. A few minutes of talking, as cooperative, respectful people talk to each other about problems, and the issue is solved. Sometimes to an observer, especially one such as you, it appears the child won. Sometime, to more objective observers, it's very obvious that BOTH won. And it doesn't take many of those, even with kids that have been ****ed up by fools such as you that THINK they know how to parent, to bring them around to cooperative exchanges and easy parenting, and vastly more developmental opportunities for the child. Safe, ones that increase their potential for being responsible, talented, self governing adults. Successes, in other words. And I've had time to watch the cycle repeat itself a couple of times now, and I'm looking at what I laugingly refer to as my Great Grandchildren (the children of the children of the children I once helped in mental health....and of families I've known for a very long time). It works. You are, of course, going to create the very behaviors you project on the child. Resistence, manipulation, sneakiness. Just like you, greegor. You should have little gigolos and gold diggers. You could be so proud. Kane |
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Taser use and reality.
In all three cases we examined and comment on in these ngs recently, that involved children, they had a common denominator. Either they were endangering others, or themselves. The little boy with the glass he'd already cut himself with and threated to cut others, cutting away at his leg when tasered. The 12 year old drunk girl running into traffic faster than the LEO could run...the only person on scene that had ANY way to stop her. And the teen aged boy. Let's consider this last one. I've been more than amused at the responses on all, but more especially this one. You have boy, a teen, that has been disrupting math class with a banned object, a Gameboy type pocket vid game. He will not stop on request. He is sent to the VPs office. There he not only won't leave the building as offered, and will not turn over the vid game, but it's in his pocket and as yet unseen by the VP or another present. As required and wisely, they ask the on site security officer to come and do his part at this point. He, knowing what his job is, attempts to perform a Terri-pat, which is NOT for gameboy confiscations, but for safety purposes to see if the one being questioned has a weapon. The boy fights them, with the game boy never coming into the light of day in that room. Three people can't take him down (remind you of either mentally ill and or drugged folks that are high?) and so they finally taser him. Successfully. Thankfully no weapon is found. But do weapons get into schools? 8 Killed in Minn. Shootings, 6 at School Mar 21, 7:58 PM (ET) RED LAKE, Minn. (AP) - A gunman opened fire Monday at a high school on an Indian reservation, killing six people and wounding two critically, with the suspect believed among those dead, authorities said. Before the school shootings, a man and a woman were shot in their home and died later. Six people died in the mid-afternoon shooting at Red Lake High School in far northern Minnesota, including four students. Also killed were a teacher and a security guard, FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said at a news conference in Minneapolis. He declined to talk about a possible connection between the suspect and the couple killed at the home, but Red Lake Fire Director Roman Statley said they were the grandparents of the shooter. Stateley told several media outlets that the grandfather was a police officer whose guns may have been used in the shootings. All of the dead students were found in one room. One of them was a boy believed to be the shooter, McCabe said. He would not comment on reports that the boy shot himself and said it was too early to speculate on a motive. ....... http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/21/sch...ing/index.html Now if only he'd had a gameboy to confiscate and a school security officer to pat him down. Kane |
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Michael wrote: On Mon 21 Mar 2005 09:28:52p wrote in alt.support.child-protective-services snip But do weapons get into schools? 8 Killed in Minn. Shootings, 6 at School snip But the law says that it is illegal to bring weapons into schools! Certainly the law should have prevented this in the same manner that signs posted on storefronts prevent them from being robbed. Damn! Now I AM embarassed. Why didn't I think of that? 0;- Personally, should I come across a store that has a sign banning carrying concealed I immediately go to the mangager, explain why I will not be shopping in his or her extremely dangerous store, where they advertise unarmed prey to the predators. I am never more comfortable than when I'm in my neighborhood stores where not only the staff has some key employees armed but welcomes those of us that carry, if they know 0:- who we are. I know they do, because I asked. The manager asking me if I carried got an answer that made him smile: My silent smile. When the predators no long have guns, or are stronger, or can get other weapons, I will only carry for fun. R R R R R R... Thanks for reminding me on that signage thingie. I've got to remember to put one up on my house. "No guns here." 'course if I wanted to do a real service to my community....hmmmm....naw, that would be immoral. Don't it make yah just chuckle to know that the predators have to guess who's armed and who's not? Kane Kane -- Michael Evil draws men together. Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Rhetoric |
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Kane wrote
And you know nonpunitive methods to result in this kind of child behavior how, greegor? Greg wrote Read again, Kane, I did not post an example of nonpunitive methods failing. I posted an example of punitive methods failing, obviously because of a lack of credibility. You wrote a long windbag post which I did not read beyond this major screwup on your part. |
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Greegor wrote: Kane wrote And you know nonpunitive methods to result in this kind of child behavior how, greegor? Yah know, greegor, it's becoming all too obvious that you snip and or fail to attribute in direct connection to your misleading lies. Watch, I'll show you what you cut...and it wasn't even MY words this time, but your OWN that show you to be a liar. Greg wrote Read again, Kane, I did not post an example of nonpunitive methods failing. I didn't say you did. My comment was obviously about this: Lack of credibility and wildly out of control kids would be a FAILURE in either spanking or non-spanking methods. Recognize the words? A bit later: Comparing a bad example of either method against a good example of the other would never be fair. Now if you were not referring to "spanking or non-spanking methods" just what two methods were you referring to? I posted an example of punitive methods failing, obviously because of a lack of credibility. And you posted, as I've pointed out above, and I quoted in attribution fully so as not to confuse the issue, or you....r r r r.... both "methods." Non-spanking is one of the nonpunitive methods, greegor. You wrote a long windbag post which I did not read beyond this major screwup on your part. Oh, I see. Tell you what, I'll post my post again, not only with MY comments in full, every single line, but even what you so conveniently love to leave out: YOUR WORDS THAT TRAP YOUR SILLY ASS. Let's see how long it is, and just how much wind is in the bag, and how major my "screwup" in referring to YOUR screwup by listing two methods, one of which is non-punitive; non-spanking. Here we go, start counting..........NOW! Greegor wrote: Today I saw a very good example of ineffective use of spanking. Clearly the mother was not credible with the kids. As she demands compliance for the tenth time with no consequence it became clear that she had no credibility with the kids. Her word means nothing. Lack of credibility and wildly out of control kids would be a FAILURE in either spanking or non-spanking methods. She probably uses spanking only to express anger at home also! There really should be more parenting classes teaching how to properly use spanking. Such an example does not prove a failure of spanking but a failure in credibility and follow through. Comparing a bad example of either method against a good example of the other would never be fair. [[[[.....15 lines for you, greegor.........and not your entire post, at that..just that portion I wished to address......]]]] And you know nonpunitive methods to result in this kind of child behavior how, greegor? My own experience is that because the parent and the child, in attachment parenting that focuses on methods that are not punitive, these situations are easily resolved. Each respects the other. I've seen children absolutely burned out from being tired, disappointed, disgruntled, even scared, with both parent and child near to or in tears, absolutely refusing to "punish" each other to get their way. A few minutes of talking, as cooperative, respectful people talk to each other about problems, and the issue is solved. Sometimes to an observer, especially one such as you, it appears the child won. Sometime, to more objective observers, it's very obvious that BOTH won. And it doesn't take many of those, even with kids that have been ****ed up by fools such as you that THINK they know how to parent, to bring them around to cooperative exchanges and easy parenting, and vastly more developmental opportunities for the child. Safe, ones that increase their potential for being responsible, talented, self governing adults. Successes, in other words. And I've had time to watch the cycle repeat itself a couple of times now, and I'm looking at what I laugingly refer to as my Great Grandchildren (the children of the children of the children I once helped in mental health....and of families I've known for a very long time). It works. You are, of course, going to create the very behaviors you project on the child. Resistence, manipulation, sneakiness. Just like you, greegor. You should have little gigolos and gold diggers. You could be so proud. Kane ............ [[[[ 30 lines for me, greegor, even with my sig, and the short lines of only a few word included. ]]]] Gosh, you win. Mine was just a long windbag post of 30 lines...r r r r...and of course I got wrong your your posting content....as in ....R R R R R...comparing two methods, one of which is non-spanking, one of the non-punitive methods...r r r r.....yer a gas, greegor. Now tell everyone I lie about your advocacy of lethal force and you threatening me publically and that I said there was a public list of people "marked for murder." I just love how Douggified you can make your responses, to minimize some VERY serious stuff, greegor, in YOUR mind. Now one else is diverted. YOU DID claim I was a case worker. YOU DID argue with a cop on the efficacy of use of lethal force by parents. YOU DID post yourself that you wanted a caseworker to be killed (or do you think they'd survive a house falling on them?) and you have read all the material by the posters that in fact advocated the killing of caseworkers. Your denial isn't working. Nor is your attack on me with lies and dodges. We all see what you are, and what you believe. It's in your posts, in your own words. Wanna have me keep posting them here for you? Kane |
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"Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... If Tasers are OK for kids, when will parents be allowed to use them? After all, parents might use a Taser on their kid in certain lifesaving emergencies! Running toward a busy street PssZat! Running toward a swimming pool PssZat! Holed up in their room holding a sharp object PssZat! Who will train and license parents in their use on kids? You musta missed the lastest wrinkle in tasers.... they are now selling a less potent taser for 'home use' and 'personal protection' while the big bad police woman gets the real thing to use on six year olds. bobb I suspect Kane would rather teach kids how to use them on parents! |
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"Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... If Tasers are OK for kids, when will parents be allowed to use them? After all, parents might use a Taser on their kid in certain lifesaving emergencies! Running toward a busy street PssZat! Running toward a swimming pool PssZat! Just thought of something... like the 'electric fence' for training dogs. When they attempt to leave the yard.. they get zapped. You may insert 'child' for 'they' if you wish. :-) bobb Holed up in their room holding a sharp object PssZat! Who will train and license parents in their use on kids? I suspect Kane would rather teach kids how to use them on parents! |
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