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CPD = cephaloPELVIC disproportion
"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message ink.net... NOTE: Barbara (Circe) did mention the pelvis at the end of her reply to Wendy - but strangely she forgot to mention explicitly that OBs routinely CLOSE the pelvis! It was more of an "oh-by-the-way" comment. Sheesh. She couldn't say that. It's YOUR schtick ($1). I still contend that OBs do not CLOSE the pelvis, but merely prevent it from opening - with the same outcome. Now, if the OB is saying, "You MUST lie on your back, because any other position means the baby won't come out" (which would very likely be a lie) then I would agree with you. In my 2 attempted vaginal births, 1 of which was successful, I was more or less on my back, I did push in various positions, including on my side (in the unsuccessful labor). The positioning of the baby matters too: a full posterior baby is going to have a harder time coming out. So I was called FPT and CPD when in fact the truth was just that baby was in a bad position. Why do I know that? Because in my other attempt, with a baby just the same size (1 oz larger), the baby came out just fine. Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR SEMISITTING! How's that? --angela |
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It's an *obstetrician* schtick! CPD = cephaloPELVIC disproportion
"Chotii" wrote in message .. . "Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message ink.net... NOTE: Barbara (Circe) did mention the pelvis at the end of her reply to Wendy - but strangely she forgot to mention explicitly that OBs routinely CLOSE the pelvis! It was more of an "oh-by-the-way" comment. Sheesh. She couldn't say that. It's YOUR schtick ($1). MY schtick?! This is an *obstetrician* schtick ($$$$$)!!! Women and their babies are subjected to it everyday - so I protest it everyday... I still contend that OBs do not CLOSE the pelvis, but merely prevent it from opening - with the same outcome. This is sort of like my protest of the notion that "squatting opens the outlet." The BABY (pushed by the uterus and abdominal muscles) opens the outlet IF the OB isn't preventing it from opening - if the OB isn't closing it... Now, if the OB is saying, "You MUST lie on your back, because any other position means the baby won't come out" (which would very likely be a lie) then I would agree with you. ACOG members are lying. ACOG authors of Williams Obstetrics claim that dorsal widens - even though dorsal (and semisitting) CLOSE the outlet up to 30% (prevent it from opening up to 30%). ACOG's Shoulder Dystocia video: OBs claim they are widening the outlet even as they CLOSE the outlet (prevent it from opening) when the baby's shoulders get stuck. (ACOG's video demonstrates BAD McRoberts - which places the woman on her sacrum - keeps the pelvic outlet CLOSED up to 30% - prevents it from opening maximally.) ACOG = American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (for any readers who aren't aware).. In my 2 attempted vaginal births, 1 of which was successful, I was more or less on my back, I did push in various positions, including on my side (in the unsuccessful labor). The positioning of the baby matters too: a full posterior baby is going to have a harder time coming out. So I was called FPT and CPD when in fact the truth was just that baby was in a bad position. Why do I know that? Because in my other attempt, with a baby just the same size (1 oz larger), the baby came out just fine. Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR SEMISITTING! How's that? I would say: DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR SEMISITTING... But (of course) I would add: **BECAUSE THOSE POSITIONS CLOSE THE BIRTH CANAL UP TO 30%** (prevent it from opening maximally)... : ) Todd |
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CPD = cephaloPELVIC disproportion
It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Chotii wrote:
Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR SEMISITTING! I gave birth using a birthing stool twice and walked around during labour as well, worked fine for me. Ok, so the second midwife didn't want to get the birthing stool from the car(she should have done that sooner) but gave in when I said I'd squat leaning against the wall if she didn't get it and, by the way, I'm going to start pushing in a minute! She also suggested putting the birthing stool *on* the bed so she could see better(I told her to get her mirror and sit on the floor if she wanted a view). The second time I used the slow deep breaths which my first midwife had shown me instead of the panting I'd been taught in birthing class, worked a lot better for me in controlling the pain, it might have been a yoga approach? Anyway, I guess the panting had me fighting the pain and contractions whereas the deep, slow breaths allowed me to let the waves of pain to roll over me and the contractions to do their job. A pity I found out about it too late to use the technique the first time. Vashti |
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It's done with mirrors! LOL! CPD = cephaloPELVIC disproportion
LOL!
"Vashti" wrote in message ... It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Chotii wrote: Let's see: MOMS! DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET BABY IN A FAVORABLE LIE BEFORE LABOR STARTS! AND THEN DON'T DELIVER FLAT ON YOUR BACK OR SEMISITTING! I gave birth using a birthing stool twice and walked around during labour as well, worked fine for me. Ok, so the second midwife didn't want to get the birthing stool from the car(she should have done that sooner) but gave in when I said I'd squat leaning against the wall if she didn't get it and, by the way, I'm going to start pushing in a minute! She also suggested putting the birthing stool *on* the bed so she could see better(I told her to get her mirror and sit on the floor if she wanted a view). The second time I used the slow deep breaths which my first midwife had shown me instead of the panting I'd been taught in birthing class, worked a lot better for me in controlling the pain, it might have been a yoga approach? Anyway, I guess the panting had me fighting the pain and contractions whereas the deep, slow breaths allowed me to let the waves of pain to roll over me and the contractions to do their job. A pity I found out about it too late to use the technique the first time. Vashti |
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It's done with mirrors! LOL! CPD = cephaloPELVICdisproportion
It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Todd Gastaldo wrote:
LOL! Yep! Vertical birth? Get an adjustable mirror for the midwife! Vashti |
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