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I do realize how blessed and lucky I am to have had a complication free pregnancy and delivery - at term. I was a nervous wreck worrying about all the risks. I'd rather do them one at a time but I'm having a blast now that they are here and the scary part is over. I don't know how true it is, but midwives I respect and who are experienced in twin births have said that the risks for spontaneous fraternal twins are vastly reduced compared to the overall risk for fraternal twins and that they almost always get to at least 37 weeks, though have a slightly higher underlying c-section rate. All of the hoards of spontaneous fraternal twins in my husbands family have been term, as far as I can recall, so have the ones on this group. Spontaneous identical twins seem to be a bit trickier. A lot of people do say twins are easier once they get older, I have a friend with 7yr old twins and a 2yr old, she says at this stage the twins were so much easier than the singleton. Cheers Anne |
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Nikki wrote:
I do realize how blessed and lucky I am to have had a complication free pregnancy and delivery - at term. I was a nervous wreck worrying about all the risks. I'd rather do them one at a time but I'm having a blast now that they are here and the scary part is over. Then Jamie wrote: I didn't think she was negative at all. Honest. She has had a much harder time of it than you have, both during pregnancy, delivery, and with parenting. You were lucky enough to have an easy pregnancy, but you also had older children, so you had a better idea of what to expect, and a better mindset to begin with. I don't want to discount her experience in anyway, it sounds like she had to make a lot of difficult choices. I've only experienced one uneventful pregnancy of a singleton so far. However, I will say that I have a hard time reading stories like hers, where a constant theme is "nobody told me _____," especially in the realm of IF or prenatal care. I say that as someone who was a patient of an IF clinic which cared not one iota if I conceived multiples, and as a current OB patient. Especially in these days of pub-med and other internet sites, it is really hard for me to hear someone saying, "my doctor didn't tell me ________ could happen." --Jodi 37 weeks with babe #1 |
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Especially in these days of pub-med and other
internet sites, it is really hard for me to hear someone saying, "my doctor didn't tell me ________ could happen." We're lucky that in this day and age we have so much info that we can access, but the truth is, we live in a society where the vast majority of us expect doctor to be in charge and where the vast majority of doctors do not enter relationships with patients expecting to be advisor in decision making, rather than the one who makes the decisions. We're brought up to respect doctor and to not question them, it's only slowly that the message is creeping out that it's smart to do otherwise. If doctors are going to behave like they are in charge then they have to take the responsibility - it's thankfully getting more common for doctors to have a more equal partner with patients, but it's still not the norm. Cheers Anne |
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I've read that too. Well, not that the majority make it to 37 weeks but that spontaneous twins generally fair a bit better for some reason. Well the stats I've seen seem to say 50% go to 37 weeks regardless of how they were conceived, I don't think I've got higher enough numbers to have much idea whether it's likely or not, though thinking back through this group since I've been around, I can only think of one person who's spontaneously conceived twins were delivered before 37 weeks, Choti/Angela and I think that was due to one of them having a heart defect and needing to be delivered, rather than onset of labour, but don't quote me on that. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that a difference could occur with different methods of conception, there is the fact that help is needed to start of with, a lot of infertility is non specific, maybe sometimes thats nature's way of saying somethings not optimum for pregnancy. Then there is the drugs, there could still be traces in the system through the early weeks of pregnancy, potentially influencing something or other. With IVF, there have been cell division issues reported - for example, it's now known that identical twins are more likely from an IVF created embryo than the underlying rate, if it's affecting that, what else is it affecting? Anne |
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"Nikki" wrote in message
news "Jamie Clark" I didn't think she was negative at all. Really?! Her pregnancy experience was vastly different from mine from the very beginning. It sounded truely aweful and scary and I can understand her feelings on that part. Absolutely. It sounded like because of other physical issues that she had, that pregnancy and her did not mix well. It sounded like her pregnancy was not great, but I didn't think that she was being negative about it, just honest and straight forward. I think you can acknowledge that something sucks or is hard or rough or not fun without being negative about it. If that makes sense. -- Jamie Earth Angels: Taylor Marlys -- 01/03/03 Addison Grace -- 09/30/04 Check out the family -- www.MyFamily.com, User ID: Clark_Guest1, Password: guest Become a member for free - go to Add Member to set up your own User ID and Password |
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I passed these links on, in my googling I had also found that it was
common for no semen check to be done despite 47% of infertile couples having some kind of male involvement, so I mentioned that too - apparently her husband has not been tested and won't be tested, she says she "knows" it is her, though no test has shown anything specific. She would still love a multiple birth - she sounds exactly like the description in the triplets article of being so blinded by the desire to have children that she's blind to the truth. I can understand that if you could definitely choose to have healthy full term twins, that some people might like that, but you can't choose that and you have to balance that against the risk of quite severe problems, including loss of all the babies. To me, it seems unethical for a doctor to give treatment for a fertility problem without testing the sperm once. Cheers Anne |
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I find it incredible that a doctor would prescribe without checking for male
factor also. I had the basic testing of progesterone testing to check for ovulation (over 3 or 4 months) hysterosalpingogram (to check the tubes), post coital test (to make sure the sperm were not being killed by me), and then DH had a sperm analysis done. They are not hard tests, do not take long but are considered the most basic and I had assumed that all doctors would check these little things first before moving on. Over at the alt.infertility groups I have never know anyone to skip the testing and head straight to fertility drugs, but of course you can't really class that group as being a normal cross section I suppose. I hope your friend pushes for further testing, how can she know it's her? that's just silly unless she has had prior testing. Also does she want to spend the next 10 years trying for a baby only to find out it was him that had the problem? Not to mention that if her 6 cycles of clomid don't work the next step will be injectables, which is a costly process especially if you are doing it for nothing (if his sperm were poor) -- Pip, in NZ My girls : DD1 Jasmine - 5 weeks early - March 02 - 4lb 12oz Still as small as a peanut but as smart as a whip! DD2 Abby - 8 weeks early - Feb 05 - 3lb 14oz Two and a half and still a terror!! "Yes you can drive me insane just by talking to me!" "Anne Rogers" wrote in message ... I passed these links on, in my googling I had also found that it was common for no semen check to be done despite 47% of infertile couples having some kind of male involvement, so I mentioned that too - apparently her husband has not been tested and won't be tested, she says she "knows" it is her, though no test has shown anything specific. She would still love a multiple birth - she sounds exactly like the description in the triplets article of being so blinded by the desire to have children that she's blind to the truth. I can understand that if you could definitely choose to have healthy full term twins, that some people might like that, but you can't choose that and you have to balance that against the risk of quite severe problems, including loss of all the babies. To me, it seems unethical for a doctor to give treatment for a fertility problem without testing the sperm once. Cheers Anne |
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I find it incredible that a doctor would prescribe without checking for male
factor also. I had the basic testing of progesterone testing to check for ovulation (over 3 or 4 months) hysterosalpingogram (to check the tubes), post coital test (to make sure the sperm were not being killed by me), and then DH had a sperm analysis done. They are not hard tests, do not take long but are considered the most basic and I had assumed that all doctors would check these little things first before moving on. Over at the alt.infertility groups I have never know anyone to skip the testing and head straight to fertility drugs, but of course you can't really class that group as being a normal cross section I suppose. I hope your friend pushes for further testing, how can she know it's her? that's just silly unless she has had prior testing. Also does she want to spend the next 10 years trying for a baby only to find out it was him that had the problem? Not to mention that if her 6 cycles of clomid don't work the next step will be injectables, which is a costly process especially if you are doing it for nothing (if his sperm were poor) -- Pip, in NZ My girls : DD1 Jasmine - 5 weeks early - March 02 - 4lb 12oz Still as small as a peanut but as smart as a whip! DD2 Abby - 8 weeks early - Feb 05 - 3lb 14oz Two and a half and still a terror!! "Yes you can drive me insane just by talking to me!" "Anne Rogers" wrote in message ... I passed these links on, in my googling I had also found that it was common for no semen check to be done despite 47% of infertile couples having some kind of male involvement, so I mentioned that too - apparently her husband has not been tested and won't be tested, she says she "knows" it is her, though no test has shown anything specific. She would still love a multiple birth - she sounds exactly like the description in the triplets article of being so blinded by the desire to have children that she's blind to the truth. I can understand that if you could definitely choose to have healthy full term twins, that some people might like that, but you can't choose that and you have to balance that against the risk of quite severe problems, including loss of all the babies. To me, it seems unethical for a doctor to give treatment for a fertility problem without testing the sperm once. Cheers Anne |
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"Sarah Vaughan" wrote in message ... A couple of links to blog posts by mothers of multiples, detailing some of the downsides: http://twinklelittlestar.typepad.com/letter/2006/10/the_truth_about.html (Twins) Well she is a negative Nelly I do realize how blessed and lucky I am to have had a complication free pregnancy and delivery - at term. I was a nervous wreck worrying about all the risks. I'd rather do them one at a time but I'm having a blast now that they are here and the scary part is over. -- Nikki, mama to Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 Brock 4/06 Ben 4/06 |
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"Jamie Clark" I didn't think she was negative at all. Really?! Her pregnancy experience was vastly different from mine from the very beginning. It sounded truely aweful and scary and I can understand her feelings on that part. We all have different experiences with parenting and I don't want to discount anyone's experience. It is theirs to own. I think it struck me wrong because of other things in my life right now. I'm tired of pity parties in general - unrelated to this stressed out mom I wasn't being flippant when I said I know how blessed I am. I no longer allow myself to get mired down in the daily stressors of parenting (twins or not). It was an awakening for me. There is even a physical result in that I no longer have high blood pressure. In that respect the twins gave me a gift. God gave me the gift of 4 healthy kids and the twins gave me the gift of being able to enjoy all of them. I also know that I have that luxury because I *do* have 4 healthy kids. I'm not sure how I'd be managing if that wasn't true so I don't mean to be sounding holier then thou or anything. Having said that, I think I hear crying upstairs! -- Nikki, mama to Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 Brock 4/06 Ben 4/06 |
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