Retired Father

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Honestly, I don't want more than what is rightfully mine... he's the one
who
brought me to this earth, and if he doesn't want to have to support me by
having me live with him anymore, then I think he should have to pay me
when
I'm in school.

What do you call the 21 years? He has supported you. You are now a grown
woman.


He and my mother were married for 41 years, and other than having an
affair
and physically beating her, he did basically everything else (e.g. hitting
me and my brother and sister)... so, i don't think it's fair that you guys
paint him to be an angel or anything like that.

Ahhhhhhh so that explains it you want revenge you want to make his life hard
for what he did to you. Why not have him charged for the assaults if he hit
you (That's what my mother did). Ah no of course not because him going to
prison he wouldn't be bringing
in the money any more that's right.


Yes, he's 67, but he makes over $90K/year, and he's on a one year
contract... but I just think that if he knew he had to give me money he
would quit his job... and I just wanted to know whether he'd have to give
me
money when he's on his (HUGE) pension... but I guess you guys won't give
me
the answer, so that's fine.

Honestly its about time he retired let the guy rest he already financially
supported his children let him go if he was such an abusive person be
thankful he has gone. Now you be a woman and learn to stand on your own two
feet.


"Randy Jabsco" wrote in message
s.com...
"Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message
...
Are you for real or do you have one massive set of balls? You really
expect
a 67 year old man to provide you $800 a month.

I have a friend being forced to pay more child support than he actually
makes. Since the courts cannot take more than 50% of his income due to
the
'fair credit' federal laws, they put the rest on arrears and tack on a
12%?
interest rate so as to 'encourage' him to pay it off. Divorce appears
to
be
a pretty good business for most women. Excellent lifestyle, good
income.
I
spoke with one woman once who specifically told me that she
intentionally
looks for men to get impregnated by so that she can end up collecting
child
support from them.

Living with your parents is
one thing (my children can stay with me as long as they like not
matter
how
old), but expecting that kind of money as an adult! (and through the
courts)

Thats sick and you obviously do not give a damn about your father. I
would
not be so suprised that when he dies he does not leave you a dime
which
at
that age could be right around the corner. That maybe the only way to
teach
you some sense of morality in caring for others in life.

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in
the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire)
would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student
(based
on
a
60% course load per term)?! As it stands right now, if he were to
keep
on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!

Thanks in advance,

Jackie

Girl before you commence your study my suggestion to you is go and receive
some psychiatric help you obviously have some serious issues in regards to
your father. You will not cope in Uni unless you have dealt with these
problems why don't you instead have him charged for the abuse and sue him
for the costs of your treatment it will do you allot more good than chasing
him for money you cannot collect as a grown woman.


"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...

"Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message
...
Are you for real or do you have one massive set of balls?

I would say I've got no balls... from a physiological standpoint.

You really expect
a 67 year old man to provide you $800 a month.

Well, a 67 year old man who brought me to this earth, and who makes
$90K/year... yep.

Living with your parents is
one thing (my children can stay with me as long as they like not matter
how
old), but expecting that kind of money as an adult! (and through the
courts)

Nope, I'm expecting that kind of money as a student.

Thats sick and you obviously do not give a damn about your father.

Why would I?! As I said in another post, he's one of the most abusive
people
I know.

I would
not be so suprised that when he dies he does not leave you a dime which
at
that age could be right around the corner.

He already told me that he's going to be adopting other children, and that
he is going to support them through school, because he doesn't want to
give
me any of his money. (i.e. he would do anything to make it more difficult
for me to go to school... and he's willing to give the money out to ANYONE
but his own children, and the mother of his children)... so, think what
you
want... you don't matter anyway.

That maybe the only way to teach
you some sense of morality in caring for others in life.

Yep, you're obviously right.

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based
on
a
60% course load per term)?! As it stands right now, if he were to keep
on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!

Thanks in advance,

Jackie

College is not an entitlement......you are an adult.....try to start acting
like one.
If you cannot afford the college of you choice full time.....go part time,
or go to a cheaper college, trade school etc.

Again.....college is NOT AN ENTITLEMENT.

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...
You are an ADULT.......start supporting yourself.

I am a STUDENT... that's easier said than done... Working in the summer
earned me under $4000 and I can't apply for a student loan because my
father
makes too much money and doesn't want to give me any of it... so any other
bright solutions?!

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based
on
a
60% course load per term)?! As it stands right now, if he were to keep
on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!

Thanks in advance,

Jackie

"Jackie" wrote in message
news

"gini52" wrote in message
...

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based
on
a
60% course load per term)?!

As it stands right now, if he were to keep on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!
==
Let's see-Your dad is 67--that means he has a life expectancy of less
than
10 years.
Now, why would you expect your father to support you as an adult?

Because, as long as I am a full time student, I am a dependent child in
the
eyes of the law.

Only WRT to taxes. You cannot run and hide behind mommy if you sign a
contract.


If you would expect your father to support you, why not your mother?

Because she doesn't make enough money to support even herself.

Why is that not a surprise.......must be where you learned the entitlement
mentality


Hey,
why don't
you move in with a friend and sue both of them?

That's a terrible comparison, unless these friends give birth to me
somehow,
and then tell me after 21 years that they are not willing to support me in
a
time when they ought to.

Sorry miss lame adult......college is not an entitlement, GET A JOB, GET A
LIFE, stop living off the backs of others.



Actually,
you might just have to get a job like the students from intact families
and
states
that require adult children to support themselves (though it appears you
have pretty
much ruled out getting a job).

I'm working right now, but I'm not going to sacrifice my grades for work
(i.e. I will not work when I'm in school... I've tried it, and i can't do
it.

Then get a job and support yourself like real adults.


Who's going to foot your bill when your
dad is dead?

This is my last year of school... so, I suppose no one will.

Sheesh! (Ah...I see you are in Canada. Everything applies but the legal
stuff)
I don't know what that's supposed to mean... but I'm assuming it's useless
blather from someone with nothing better to do...

==
==

Thanks in advance,

Jackie

Hmmm.....

"gini52" wrote in message
...

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based on
a
60% course load per term)?!

As it stands right now, if he were to keep on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm already
over 18)?!
==
Let's see-Your dad is 67--that means he has a life expectancy of less than
10 years.
Now, why would you expect your father to support you as an adult?

Because, as long as I am a full time student, I am a dependent child in the
eyes of the law.

If you would expect your father to support you, why not your mother?

Because she doesn't make enough money to support even herself.

Hey,
why don't
you move in with a friend and sue both of them?

That's a terrible comparison, unless these friends give birth to me somehow,
and then tell me after 21 years that they are not willing to support me in a
time when they ought to.

Actually,
you might just have to get a job like the students from intact families
and
states
that require adult children to support themselves (though it appears you
have pretty
much ruled out getting a job).

I'm working right now, but I'm not going to sacrifice my grades for work
(i.e. I will not work when I'm in school... I've tried it, and i can't do
it.

Who's going to foot your bill when your
dad is dead?

This is my last year of school... so, I suppose no one will.

Sheesh! (Ah...I see you are in Canada. Everything applies but the legal
stuff)
I don't know what that's supposed to mean... but I'm assuming it's useless
blather from someone with nothing better to do...

..... cheeky bitch, ain't she? This is why Mexicans sneak across their northern
border into the U.S., but you never see Americans sneaking across their
northern border - nothin' but empty space up there....

Mel Gamble

==
==

Thanks in advance,

Jackie

You got your answers - you're just ****ed 'cause they're not the ones you
wanted to hear....TS.

Mel Gamble

Honestly, I don't want more than what is rightfully mine... he's the one who
brought me to this earth, and if he doesn't want to have to support me by
having me live with him anymore, then I think he should have to pay me when
I'm in school.

He and my mother were married for 41 years, and other than having an affair
and physically beating her, he did basically everything else (e.g. hitting
me and my brother and sister)... so, i don't think it's fair that you guys
paint him to be an angel or anything like that.

Yes, he's 67, but he makes over $90K/year, and he's on a one year
contract... but I just think that if he knew he had to give me money he
would quit his job... and I just wanted to know whether he'd have to give me
money when he's on his (HUGE) pension... but I guess you guys won't give me
the answer, so that's fine.

"Randy Jabsco" wrote in message
ws.com...
"Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message
...
Are you for real or do you have one massive set of balls? You really
expect
a 67 year old man to provide you $800 a month.

I have a friend being forced to pay more child support than he actually
makes. Since the courts cannot take more than 50% of his income due to
the
'fair credit' federal laws, they put the rest on arrears and tack on a
12%?
interest rate so as to 'encourage' him to pay it off. Divorce appears to
be
a pretty good business for most women. Excellent lifestyle, good income.
I
spoke with one woman once who specifically told me that she intentionally
looks for men to get impregnated by so that she can end up collecting
child
support from them.

Living with your parents is
one thing (my children can stay with me as long as they like not matter
how
old), but expecting that kind of money as an adult! (and through the
courts)

Thats sick and you obviously do not give a damn about your father. I
would
not be so suprised that when he dies he does not leave you a dime which
at
that age could be right around the corner. That maybe the only way to
teach
you some sense of morality in caring for others in life.

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based
on
a
60% course load per term)?! As it stands right now, if he were to keep
on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!

Thanks in advance,

Jackie

Jackie wrote in message
. ca...

"Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message
...
Are you for real or do you have one massive set of balls?

I would say I've got no balls... from a physiological standpoint.

You really expect
a 67 year old man to provide you $800 a month.

Well, a 67 year old man who brought me to this earth, and who makes
$90K/year... yep.

Living with your parents is
one thing (my children can stay with me as long as they like not matter
how
old), but expecting that kind of money as an adult! (and through the
courts)

Nope, I'm expecting that kind of money as a student.

Thats sick and you obviously do not give a damn about your father.

Why would I?! As I said in another post, he's one of the most abusive
people
I know.

I would
not be so suprised that when he dies he does not leave you a dime which
at
that age could be right around the corner.

He already told me that he's going to be adopting other children, and that
he is going to support them through school, because he doesn't want to
give
me any of his money. (i.e. he would do anything to make it more difficult
for me to go to school... and he's willing to give the money out to ANYONE
but his own children, and the mother of his children)... so, think what
you
want... you don't matter anyway.

That maybe the only way to teach
you some sense of morality in caring for others in life.

Yep, you're obviously right.



You stated elsewhere that you have only one year left of school? If your
father is the asshole you claim, then just keep him out of your life. I
personally wouldn't want anything to do with a man like that. Finish your
last year of school and move on.

Jackie wrote in message
. ca...
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
arthlink.net...

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based
on
a
60% course load per term)?! As it stands right now, if he were to keep
on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!

Here's an answer that doesn't blast you for asking a reasonable
question.

Your state law and case law will drive how your situation is handled.
For
instance, in my state there is a child attending school statute that
extends
CS for minor children until age 21 if they continually attend some form
of
post-secondary education, stay enrolled at least 50% of the time,
maintain
at least a "C" average, and comply with state requirements to file
grades,
confirmations of enrollment, and details of course of study.

In my state, the case law says child attending school support is an
extension of CS for minor children so the statute cannot be used to
establish an order for an adult child who is already 18 years of age
when
their parents divorce.

There is an advantage for you as a student that you may not have
realized
yet. After your parents are divorced the FFSA input you file will be
based
on the parent's income where you live 50+% of the time. That means your
expected family contribution will go down allowing you to qualify for
loans
and grants at a lower income level than your parent's combined income.
If
you can work it out with your parents, you can use the lower income
earners
financial data for setting the EFC and then get financial support from
both
parents under the radar screen of how the government manages FFSA. It's
actually an advantage for you because there will be no CS to add to your
FFSA input as income for your and your 50+% parent.


Geez... an actual answer... thank you so much... I think most people don't
realize that it's nearly impossible to get a student loan when both of
your
parents make a lot of money...

Hold on here..... you said in a previous post that your mother didn't make
hardly any money.... And I am not sure of the age but there is a point where
they don't ask for parents income. What is that age up there?

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Let me tell you guys a few things.

1. My father's basically got it made... he makes over $90K/year, and he's
the one who wants the divorce from my mother.
2. He's told me on multiple occasions that he is going to make it as
difficult as possible for me to NOT be able to go to school (for one,
because of his income, I can't get a student loan, and he's not willing to
pay for my education).
3. He's verbally abusive and tells me that he wishes he never had me and
that I am stupid, just like my mother, and how, if we weren't in Canada,
he
would have given me away when I was born.

So, there's no love lost between the two of us... I was just asking for
some
advice, and if you guys won't give it, then I'll go to our lawyer... I see
you guys are likely all deadbeat dads anyway.

There is the 'you are a deadbeat, so you have no rights and deserve
everything you get' argument. I remember the same argument being applied to
Jews and Blacks sometime a while back in our history. First, label them...
then call them evil...

"First the Nazis went after the Jews, but I wasn't a Jew so I didn't react.
Then they went after the Catholics, but I wasn't a Catholic, so I did not
object. Then they went after the deadbeats, but I wasn't a deadbeat, so I
didn't stand up. And then they went after the me, and by then It was too
late for anybody to stand up."

For your information, I have a very good relationship with my ex-wife.
Still can't figure out why Americans think they have to hate each other
after a divorce. In any case, I am having no problems "paying" anything,
especially since there are better ways to support children than throwing
money at them and we BOTH tend to agree on that aspect.

I only became aware of the injustices of the child support system when the
divorce got tricky. Not because of anyone involved in the divorce, but
because of the judges and governments. I started looking into the situation
and could not believe it. That was when I had a clear understanding of how
NOBODY should ever have their rights denied them for any reason. Not
murderers, rapists, jews, blacks, deadbeats, communists, or anyone else.
EVERYONE should have the ability and right to stand before a nonpartial
judge and to present his case. Having worked at the Judicial Courts and
one-on-one with the judges however, I have CLEARLY found that is not the
case at all. You should hear, especially some of the female judges, what
they have to say about just MEN.... that's it, just men.

I remember one instance where a female judge was so disgusted by men, she
ordered that the toilet in her bathroom be changed out completely when she
found out that a male had sat on it. Thank God for juries when we have
judges like this. Problem is... guess what...

You can convict a man with felony failure to pay child support. Send him to
jail and prison. Take away his voting rights, his license to do business
and make income. Do you think he gets a court appointed attorney? Nope, he
pays for that himself. Does he get a jury? Nope, they claim it has to do
with privacy issues. Well, does he at least get to have his case heard
publicly... you know, that system they devised to see to it that courts to
not abuse the system... nope, more privacy issues. And I don't blame them
either, I wouldn't want my public know what I was doing behind those closed
doors either if I was them. Here is an even better kicker... does he at
LEAST get to present his case before an elected judge? Not in about 90% of
the cases he doesn't.

He makes his case before an APPOINTED individual, who is not even a judge,
in a closed court room, without a court appointed attorney, in a room where
the case is not recorded, without a jury. Doesn't that sound in the
SLIGHTEST bit like something wrong is happening?

If your arguement is that parents would rather, have their driver's license
revoked, lose their voting rights, lose access to firearms for defense of
home and self-protection, lose their job and ability to find a job, be
incarcerated and even to be forced to the point of taking their own lives,
than pay money to support their children. Then you are the one with the
problem and need to seriously re-evaluate your beliefs. The problem is in
MANY MORE OF THE CASES than not, that even after their children have been
stolen from them, most have paid all they can and are NOT ABLE to pay
anymore.

So take your "my daddy makes lots of money" and "he abused me" excuses and
stuff it. They have no bearing on the fact that you are an adult and need
to support yourself for once instead of crying that other people owe it to
you to support you, even as a grown adult. Kind of reminds me of welfare
cases.



"Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message
...
Are you for real or do you have one massive set of balls? You really
expect
a 67 year old man to provide you $800 a month. Living with your parents
is
one thing (my children can stay with me as long as they like not matter
how
old), but expecting that kind of money as an adult! (and through the
courts)

Thats sick and you obviously do not give a damn about your father. I
would
not be so suprised that when he dies he does not leave you a dime which
at
that age could be right around the corner. That maybe the only way to
teach
you some sense of morality in caring for others in life.

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based
on
a
60% course load per term)?! As it stands right now, if he were to keep
on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!

Thanks in advance,

Jackie

"glow" wrote in message
...

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
I'm 21, and in Canada... and I'm starting to realize that probably 90%
of
you are either 1. Useless, or 2. In the USA... so, hopefully you're only
from the second category!
But, if you are, you won't be able to give me much advice anyway... I
just
didn't want to have to pay the lawyer to get that answer... but it looks
like I'll have to!

Save your money it is obvious that you need an education. you havn't yet
learnt that someone of the age of 21 should be capable of supporting
themselves. you are capable of working. Go out and get a job preferrably
in
your field of study. this will help you to understand the practical
application of your study and maybe even give credits towards your course.
as well as enabling you to actually support yourself like a capable person
should.

With the times being the way it is, I have little hope that 'court jester'
openings are readily available anymore.


Rule in my parents house they would support us til the end of highschool
which here is Year twelve in private schools. If we wanted to go to
University we pay for it ourselves. My parents allowed me to live with
them
but I had to pay board and I had to pay for my higher education
myself....Text books, supplies and course fees.


"teachrmama" wrote in message
...
How old are you, Jackie? And what state are you talking about? Does
your
mother have a copy of the support order that you can read?

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in
the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire)
would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student
(based
on
a
60% course load per term)?! As it stands right now, if he were to
keep
on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!

Thanks in advance,

Jackie