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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
On Aug 17, 7:31 am, Jeff wrote:
There is no question that Ford is trying to make money selling cars, IBM and Dell selling computers and services, Royal Dutch selling selling oil and petrol, and Merck selling drugs. That is the way business works. But to put up things on the web that are blatant misrepresentations of the truth, like claiming that the 3 deaths are related to the vaccine when clearly they are not, is disgusting. You have reviewed all relative material on these deaths.Last year 3000 deaths occurred from cervical cancer in the US in Canada About 1000 the reason screening test not Gardisil. So far no difference has been seen in stage 3 lesions the best marker of cancer . If you where really concerned about saving women's life's you would be advising that all these women worldwide that die from this cancer had access to screening test. That would cost a fraction of the amount to be spent on this vaccine which so far may offer some temporary protection against " up to " 70% of cancers none of that has yet been proven.Geez who ever heard of a drug maker having overly optimistic expectations. What is certain is the billion a year this vaccine may generate will be removed from other health objectives be they cervical screening or just fewer people able to afford insurance. It will however be very profitable for the maker. Thanks Vince |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
On Aug 17, 7:20 am, bigvince wrote:
On Aug 17, 7:31 am, Jeff wrote: There is no question that Ford is trying to make money selling cars, IBM and Dell selling computers and services, Royal Dutch selling selling oil and petrol, and Merck selling drugs. That is the way business works. But to put up things on the web that are blatant misrepresentations of the truth, like claiming that the 3 deaths are related to the vaccine when clearly they are not, is disgusting. You have reviewed all relative material on these deaths.Last year 3000 deaths occurred from cervical cancer in the US in Canada About 1000 the reason screening test not Gardisil. So far no difference has been seen in stage 3 lesions the best marker of cancer . If you where really concerned about saving women's life's you would be advising that all these women worldwide that die from this cancer had access to screening test. That would cost a fraction of the amount to be spent on this vaccine which so far may offer some temporary protection against " up to " 70% of cancers none of that has yet been proven.Geez who ever heard of a drug maker having overly optimistic expectations. What is certain is the billion a year this vaccine may generate will be removed from other health objectives be they cervical screening or just fewer people able to afford insurance. It will however be very profitable for the maker. Thanks Vince I'm not clear what you meant. Was your concern that women who had the vaccination would no longer be getting their Pap tests? I don't forsee that as an either-or situation. |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
bigvince wrote:
On Aug 17, 7:31 am, Jeff wrote: There is no question that Ford is trying to make money selling cars, IBM and Dell selling computers and services, Royal Dutch selling selling oil and petrol, and Merck selling drugs. That is the way business works. But to put up things on the web that are blatant misrepresentations of the truth, like claiming that the 3 deaths are related to the vaccine when clearly they are not, is disgusting. You have reviewed all relative material on these deaths. Wrong. I reviewed very limited information about these deaths. The limited information doesn't support the hypothesis that the deaths were caused or related to the vaccine. However, because the information in the VAERS reports were so limited, further information is needed to come to any valid conclusions. Last year 3000 deaths occurred from cervical cancer in the US in Canada About 1000 the reason screening test not Gardisil. Correct. And of these 4000 deaths, around 70% or 2800 would be expected to have been prevented had these women had the vaccine before they became sexually active. So far no difference has been seen in stage 3 lesions the best marker of cancer . If you where really concerned about saving women's life's you would be advising that all these women worldwide that die from this cancer had access to screening test. The vaccine is a new tool that will prevent cancer and viral infections. The best practice is both using the vaccine and continued screening. That would cost a fraction of the amount to be spent on this vaccine which so far may offer some temporary protection against " up to " 70% of cancers none of that has yet been proven. So you're suggesting that we don't use a vaccine which has great science which suggests that it will save up to 70% of the cancers. The goal is not only to prevent deaths, but to prevent cancers, including the treatment and worry that goes the cancers. Geez who ever heard of a drug maker having overly optimistic expectations. What is certain is the billion a year this vaccine may generate will be removed from other health objectives be they cervical screening or just fewer people able to afford insurance. It will however be very profitable for the maker. And very profitable for those women who lives won't be affected by cervical cancer. Jeff Thanks Vince |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
"Mark Probert" wrote in message news:1o8xi.1597$Nf.756@trndny05... Ilena Rose wrote: http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com/...cer-while.html Quack Vac Flacks David Wronger Than Wright and Mark Probert show their utter idiocy in projecting their hallucinations onto me. As amusing as they find this Vac Industry Debacle unfolding ... I find it horrific. They mock the death of children Ilena, that is just not true. Neither Mr. wRight or I have *mocked* anything. We are concerned that the real cause and manner of death be properly determined. Jumping to conclusions, as you have done, serves no ones interests. Ilena loves to "stretch" and "manipulate" facts. It called lying. AND No one has accused me of being a defender of the pharm industry, but truth is truth. |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
"Myrl" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 16, 8:14 pm, Mark Probert wrote: Ilena Rose wrote: http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com/...-of-cervical-c... Quack Vac Flacks David Wronger Than Wright and Mark Probert show their utter idiocy in projecting their hallucinations onto me. As amusing as they find this Vac Industry Debacle unfolding ... I find it horrific. They mock the death of children Ilena, that is just not true. Neither Mr. wRight or I have *mocked* anything. We are concerned that the real cause and manner of death be properly determined. Jumping to conclusions, as you have done, serves no ones interests. And, I would argue that Ilena Rosenthal mocks the deaths of the approximate 250,000 women who lose their lives to Cervical Cancer each year. She's so focused on bashing the idea that a vaccine may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths, that she is reluctant to do the math. . .250,000 - 7 = 243,000 possible lives saved! Key phrases in the thread. "MAY prevent" (No one will know for decades) "Could have caused" (Junk science) |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
Did anyone notice that shortly after the introduction of Gardasil we had two
mine disasters and now an earthquake in Peru? Stop Gardasil now. In Phoenix a girl was killed while driving and text messaging. She took another life with her. We REALLY need to investigate whether she had recently had a shot. |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
"Vernono O" Here @there wrote in message m... Did anyone notice that shortly after the introduction of Gardasil we had two mine disasters and now an earthquake in Peru? Stop Gardasil now. In Phoenix a girl was killed while driving and text messaging. She took another life with her. We REALLY need to investigate whether she had recently had a shot. Pharma Moron, it has long been well proven vaccines kill more than they save eg MMR vaccine kills way more than measles would be doing now http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr2.html smallpox vaccine killed millions http://www.whale.to/m/smallpox/deaths.html and DPT kick started autism and was and is the main cause of cot-death, running at 10,000 in 1984 and not one life saved obviously and your vaccine friends suppressed the vitamin C cure for all infections since 1949 http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
JOHN wrote:
"Vernono O" Here @there wrote in message m... Did anyone notice that shortly after the introduction of Gardasil we had two mine disasters and now an earthquake in Peru? Stop Gardasil now. In Phoenix a girl was killed while driving and text messaging. She took another life with her. We REALLY need to investigate whether she had recently had a shot. Pharma Moron, nice personal attack. A sign that you don't have any substance to back your claims. it has long been well proven vaccines kill more than they save Wrong. Vaccines save hundreds of thousands of lives every year. eg MMR vaccine kills way more than measles would be doing now http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr2.html There are very few fatal reactions to the vaccine each year. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/.../en/index.html As you can see, the lives saved are being saved by vaccines. smallpox vaccine killed millions http://www.whale.to/m/smallpox/deaths.html Einstein you're not. Small pox vaccines are no longer used. So, even if an old vaccine killed millions, it is irrelevent. and DPT kick started autism and was and is the main cause of cot-death, gee, first it's mmr, now its DPT? There is no good evidence to suggest that vaccines autism or cot-death (SIDS). running at 10,000 in 1984 and not one life saved obviously Well, except the millions saved every year in Africa. and your vaccine friends suppressed the vitamin C cure for all infections since 1949 http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html This conjecture has not been backed up in the developed countries. Jeff |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
"JOHN" wrote in message ... "Vernono O" Here @there wrote in message m... Did anyone notice that shortly after the introduction of Gardasil we had two mine disasters and now an earthquake in Peru? Stop Gardasil now. In Phoenix a girl was killed while driving and text messaging. She took another life with her. We REALLY need to investigate whether she had recently had a shot. Pharma Moron, it has long been well proven vaccines kill more than they save So you missed the stupid humor. Figures. Interesting comment since I am one of the more adamant anti Pharm posters. Now, why don't you go get a real education. eg MMR vaccine kills way more than measles would be doing now http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr2.html smallpox vaccine killed millions http://www.whale.to/m/smallpox/deaths.html and DPT kick started autism and was and is the main cause of cot-death, running at 10,000 in 1984 and not one life saved obviously and your vaccine friends suppressed the vitamin C cure for all infections since 1949 http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html Gee "whale" What a source. Vitamin C cure for ALL infections? Not even L. Pauling made any claim near that. He didn't even suggest cure for ANY infections. Do you know who he is? Have you ever read, first hand, any of his writings? Oh, yes, I am a big proponent of high intake of Vitamin C. Have you tried Ginkgo Biloba? It has been said to increase circulation to the brain. |
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12 Year Old Girl - Dead after Merck's Gardisil Vaccination
"Vernono O" Here @there wrote in message m... Vitamin C cure for ALL infections? Not even L. Pauling made any claim near that. He didn't even suggest cure for ANY infections. Do you know who he is? Have you ever read, first hand, any of his writings? Oh, yes, I am a big proponent of high intake of Vitamin C. Have you tried Ginkgo Biloba? It has been said to increase circulation to the brain. http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html 2,000 peer review citations on Vitamin C and infections, go read Pauling main thing was heart disease http://www.whale.to/a/fonorow.html go read yes I have heard of him http://www.whale.to/a/pauling_h.html |
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