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Old November 10th 03, 10:16 PM
Leslie
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I read an article in the paper this morning about a two-week-old who died of
SIDS. His mother is using the tragedy as a springboard for a campaign
requiring by law that 1) all parents be CPR certified before leaving the
hospital and 2) that all parents of infants must have a baby monitor that will
alert them if the baby stops breathing.

I am thinking about writing a letter about the benefits of monitoring your
baby's breathing by sleeping with him. I wonder if anyone can direct me to a
link that gives positive stats regarding co-sleeping and SIDS and to the
research on a baby's breathing being improved by sleep sharing.

TIA,

Leslie
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Old November 10th 03, 10:25 PM
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"Leslie" wrote in message
...
I read an article in the paper this morning about a two-week-old who died

of
SIDS. His mother is using the tragedy as a springboard for a campaign
requiring by law that 1) all parents be CPR certified before leaving the
hospital and 2) that all parents of infants must have a baby monitor that

will
alert them if the baby stops breathing.

I am thinking about writing a letter about the benefits of monitoring your
baby's breathing by sleeping with him. I wonder if anyone can direct me

to a
link that gives positive stats regarding co-sleeping and SIDS and to the
research on a baby's breathing being improved by sleep sharing.

TIA,

Leslie


Would you mind posting a link to the story please if there is one online?
(what paper was it and where is it located I could probably find it that
way) I'd love to send the author feedback saying basically that NOONE has
the right to make a law dictating how I parent. Are they going to provide
these CPR classes free? Are insurance companies going to cover them 100% if
they're not? How about the baby monitors? Are they going to provide those in
the hospital bags? (you know, the bags that have all that formula crap in
them) How do they intend to make either of these laws, how would they
monitor if parents actually USED the baby monitors instead of tossing them
on the dining room table upon walking in the door from the hospital thinking
"I'll set it up later" only to leave it until it gets shuffled to the next
pile of crap in the house and not seen again till the kid goes to college?
How would they make SURE the parents really understood the CPR class and if
they didn't are the insurance companies going to cover the extra days in the
hospital required to pass the class or are they going to say "forget it you
pass so I can make my class quota for this week"
That is such an unrealistic campaign, I hope she isn't wasting anyones money
but her own on it. There are so many things to spend it on that would make
much more sense...like what really causes SIDS to happen in the first place.

Jen


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Old November 10th 03, 11:29 PM
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"badgirl" wrote in message
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"Leslie" wrote in message
...
I read an article in the paper this morning about a two-week-old who

died
of
SIDS. His mother is using the tragedy as a springboard for a campaign
requiring by law that 1) all parents be CPR certified before leaving the
hospital and 2) that all parents of infants must have a baby monitor

that
will
alert them if the baby stops breathing.

I am thinking about writing a letter about the benefits of monitoring

your
baby's breathing by sleeping with him. I wonder if anyone can direct me

to a
link that gives positive stats regarding co-sleeping and SIDS and to the
research on a baby's breathing being improved by sleep sharing.

TIA,

Leslie


Would you mind posting a link to the story please if there is one online?
(what paper was it and where is it located I could probably find it that
way) I'd love to send the author feedback saying basically that NOONE has
the right to make a law dictating how I parent. Are they going to provide
these CPR classes free? Are insurance companies going to cover them 100%

if
they're not? How about the baby monitors? Are they going to provide those

in
the hospital bags? (you know, the bags that have all that formula crap in
them) How do they intend to make either of these laws, how would they
monitor if parents actually USED the baby monitors instead of tossing them
on the dining room table upon walking in the door from the hospital

thinking
"I'll set it up later" only to leave it until it gets shuffled to the next
pile of crap in the house and not seen again till the kid goes to college?
How would they make SURE the parents really understood the CPR class and

if
they didn't are the insurance companies going to cover the extra days in

the
hospital required to pass the class or are they going to say "forget it

you
pass so I can make my class quota for this week"
That is such an unrealistic campaign, I hope she isn't wasting anyones

money
but her own on it. There are so many things to spend it on that would make
much more sense...like what really causes SIDS to happen in the first

place.

Jen



i guess the intention is that it may save a few lives and be worth it for
that. here we can't leave the hospital without a carseat - you can make the
same arguments about faulty installations or not using those too


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Old November 11th 03, 01:29 AM
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Those monitors have so many false alarms. (Believe me, I've workedn in
Special Care Nurseries). After so many false alarms, parents will ignore
it...

CPR doesn't seem to work for (true) SIDS after so many seconds.

I think it is the parent's responsibility if they want to be able to save
their child early (ie from drowning, etc) with CPR... if they really want to
they will learn how to do it. There is no point making it mandatory.

As for car seats - All the hospital can do is say "it is law to have a baby
capsule correctly fitted to transport your baby home." There is no power
they have to stop you from taking the baby home with no capsule. (They can
pretend they have the power, but they don't).

Jo

Leslie wrote:
I read an article in the paper this morning about a two-week-old who
died of SIDS. His mother is using the tragedy as a springboard for a
campaign requiring by law that 1) all parents be CPR certified before
leaving the hospital and 2) that all parents of infants must have a
baby monitor that will alert them if the baby stops breathing.

I am thinking about writing a letter about the benefits of monitoring
your baby's breathing by sleeping with him. I wonder if anyone can
direct me to a link that gives positive stats regarding co-sleeping
and SIDS and to the research on a baby's breathing being improved by
sleep sharing.

TIA,

Leslie


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Old November 11th 03, 01:38 AM
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"JoAnna" wrote in message
i guess the intention is that it may save a few lives and be worth it for
that. here we can't leave the hospital without a carseat - you can make

the
same arguments about faulty installations or not using those too



Yep, and there's a "do not drink" warning label on bleach too. Where does it
stop though? It is MY responsibility as a parent to make sure my baby's car
seat is installed correctly, it is MY responsibility to make sure that I
know CPR or use a baby monitor, my question is with all these laws they want
to impose when do I get to just be a responsible parent? It's tragic that
there are so many people out there that need a law to tell them how to raise
their child so they don't get them home and *let them die* which is what
imposing these laws would imply IMO. What's next? a law to dictate that if a
breast fed baby doesn't gain X many ounces within the first week they have
to be fed formula because they've failed to thrive?
Jen


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Old November 11th 03, 02:19 AM
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"Leslie" wrote in message
...
I read an article in the paper this morning about a two-week-old who died

of
SIDS. His mother is using the tragedy as a springboard for a campaign
requiring by law that 1) all parents be CPR certified before leaving the
hospital and 2) that all parents of infants must have a baby monitor that

will
alert them if the baby stops breathing.


Gawd people, leave me the fck alone. I wish someone WOULD try to make me
have a monitor. Anyway, my baby likes to sleep on my chest, so I always know
if she is breathing.



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Old November 11th 03, 03:09 AM
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(Leslie) wrote in message ...
I read an article in the paper this morning about a two-week-old who died of
SIDS. His mother is using the tragedy as a springboard for a campaign
requiring by law that 1) all parents be CPR certified before leaving the
hospital and 2) that all parents of infants must have a baby monitor that will
alert them if the baby stops breathing.

I am thinking about writing a letter about the benefits of monitoring your
baby's breathing by sleeping with him. I wonder if anyone can direct me to a
link that gives positive stats regarding co-sleeping and SIDS and to the
research on a baby's breathing being improved by sleep sharing.

TIA,

Leslie


Unfortunately even for this mother those monitors have not been shown
to actually improve survival in home use. They're currently used for
preemies and babies with respiratory problems, and even among these
babies they don't help -- they'd be even more useless if given to all
healthy babies who'd have very few real breathing problems and very
many false alarms, malfunctions, etc. Her campaign isn't likely to
get very far given that fact. But this poor woman is reacting to a
devastating tragedy, so I hope people treat her respectfully and
kindly.

Unfortunately for your letter there isn't any research that meets
reasonable standards of medical evidence that actually shows that
co-sleeping reduces SIDS. You may, however, be able to find research
that supports this position that could be quoted in the popular press
(whose stanards of evidence are, shall we say, more inclusive :-).
James McKenna is a physician who's done research on co-sleeping and he
suggests that it might be protective against SIDS.

Not a paper you'd want to cite, but the 10/03 issue of Pediatrics had
a study showing that the risk of accidental suffocation was 40 times
higher for babies in adult beds than babies in cribs. I read the
paper and its conclusions seemed valid. But the Bug is still in bed
with us -- I figure you're more likely to get hit by a car if you take
a walk, but that doesn't mean taking walks is bad for you.

Kate
and the Bug, June 8 2003
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Old November 11th 03, 03:15 AM
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"Leslie" wrote:
I read an article in the paper this morning about a two-week-old who died

of
SIDS. His mother is using the tragedy as a springboard for a campaign
requiring by law that 1) all parents be CPR certified before leaving the
hospital and 2) that all parents of infants must have a baby monitor that

will
alert them if the baby stops breathing.


I have to say I also find the idea of requiring CPR training & baby monitor
*by law* appalling. The medical community agrees that the number one way to
reduce SIDS is to place the baby to sleep on his/her back. So, if one is
looking for a law that will provide the most bang-for-the-buck (save the
most lives), we should write a law requiring parents place their baby to bed
on its back. Horrors! I would have been clanking my tin cup on the jail bars
for that one....

The Back-to-Sleep campaign has been very successful (though I'd argue it's
had the negative side-effect of making most parents absolutely paranoid
about their baby's sleep, even when said baby is on his/her back). If the
CPR certification and baby monitor idea would further decrease the death
rate due to SIDS, fine, but Back-to-Sleep wasn't mandated by law, and I'd
rather use that as a model than turn parents into criminals. (I know that
after a difficult birth, 48 hours in the hospital was barely enough time to
recover medically, much less learn CPR.)

As someone else mentioned, it's a stretch to even assume that a
breathing-sensitive baby monitor (with a high number of false-positives) and
CPR would even help--proving that they do should be a first step.
(Presumably the Back-to-Sleep campaign started with *some* evidence about
its usefulness before it was promoted heavily.)

I *do* think it's useful to point out the advantages of co-sleeping in any
discussion about SIDS, by the way--there's way too much misinformation about
the "dangers" of co-sleeping out there. (Esp. from medical professionals,
who don't distinguish in safety statistics between a nursing mother who
regularly co-sleeps with her infant and drunk Uncle Ted who passed out on
the bed where the baby was sleeping and rolled over him.)

-Joy


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Old November 11th 03, 06:15 AM
Leslie
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Would you mind posting a link to the story please if there is one online?

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_2416079,00.html


It appeared in this morning's Knoxville News-Sentinel.

Leslie

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Old November 11th 03, 06:18 AM
Leslie
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I'd love to send the author feedback saying basically that NOONE has
the right to make a law dictating how I parent.


That's one of my beefs with the story, though it's not the only one.

Are they going to provide
these CPR classes free? Are insurance companies going to cover them 100% if
they're not? How about the baby monitors? Are they going to provide those in
the hospital bags? (you know, the bags that have all that formula crap in
them)


LOL. She does want to get them provided free of charge to the poor.

How do they intend to make either of these laws, how would they
monitor if parents actually USED the baby monitors instead of tossing them
on the dining room table upon walking in the door from the hospital thinking
"I'll set it up later" only to leave it until it gets shuffled to the next
pile of crap in the house and not seen again till the kid goes to college?


Good point. At least with a car seat, there's a chance that someone will see
you not using it in public and report you.

How would they make SURE the parents really understood the CPR class and if
they didn't are the insurance companies going to cover the extra days in the
hospital required to pass the class or are they going to say "forget it you
pass so I can make my class quota for this week"
That is such an unrealistic campaign, I hope she isn't wasting anyones money
but her own on it. There are so many things to spend it on that would make
much more sense...like what really causes SIDS to happen in the first place.


That's another funny thing about this article (which shouldn't surprise me
because our paper is terrible, IMO). There is NO MENTION of possible causes of
SIDS or ways to prevent it, not even the whole Back-to-sleep thing.

Leslie
 




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