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Old October 4th 03, 06:18 AM
T.R.H
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dejablues wrote:
It's the same person, unless they can spoof the email and nntp posting host
together. One can't expect to post personal stuff on Usenet and *only* have
it reach your *intended* audience. This person was flaky enough(or
thoughtless, or just didn't care) to post enough personal info so that
even the casual observer could identify them in RL. If the OP thinks that
these issues are unrelated, their head is way too deep in the sand. If they
want useful answers, they have to be forthcoming.



Like I said, WHO gives a RATS ASS!!


It has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, dont you GET IT???

You'd likely be surprised at some of the things my wife says in the
throes of passion, behind our closed bedroom door, geez, maybe I better
re-evaluate her ability regarding being a mother to our 5 kids!!

please enlighten us all on how someone talking about seuxual issues on a
sexual news group and that same someone talking about schools for their
kids on a kids newsgroup makes these issues "related"??

either that or mind your own goddamned business or discuss the original
issue in the current thread!

gimme a break!!

sheeesh



  #62  
Old October 4th 03, 12:57 PM
Hillary Israeli
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In ,
namek wrote:

*I grew up in Audubon, and now live in Lansdale.

Oh, I used to work in Lansdale
I grew up in Wyncote, lived in Blue Bell for a while, and now live in
Lafayette Hill.


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  #63  
Old October 4th 03, 01:25 PM
Donna Metler
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"ColoradoSkiBum" wrote in message
...

: Well that's just it, he's already in the special ed class for kids with
: "severe emotional disabilities" (they call it SIED here, don't know if
it's
: the same in other states). He's being pulled back in that program so

he's
: not in *any* mainstream classes for a while, and see if he can survive

and
: then earn his way back into regular classes. And like I said, a *huge*
part
: of me is actually *hoping* for failure there because that will mean that
: he'll -- eventually -- be sent to another program which will likely
include
: "day treatment" at the mental health facility that the district works
with.
: All at district expense of course. We don't have the resources to

absorb
: this expense.


You may want to call an IEP meeting. You don't have to wait for the district
to declare your son a failure-you can call a meeting and bring the issue to
the front sooner. If schools in your area are like the district I work for,
there is a real reluctance to increase services, because it increases
expense. In fact, it's gone the other way in the last few years. I have
several children this year who were in at least partially self-contained
positions last year, who are now in the regular class, sink or swim,
regardless of their behaviors. We can see it isn't working-but, the district
will not allow them to be reassigned.

If you do this, get documentation from EACH teacher as to his behaviors.
Often teachers avoid referring special education students to the office
because we KNOW nothing will happen, so why bother? But that documentation
is a potent tool when it comes to getting a child a better placement.

I would, again, suggest a few things

1) Get a third-party evaluation, with a competent child psychiatrist,
neurologist, and possibly a neuropsychological assessment. Third-party
because in general hired guns from the school will not recommend that the
school place a child outside the services they have available. Make sure
they give an assessment as to what services are required-not just to get
your stepson through the school day, but so that he gets the social skills
support he needs.

2) Contact either a Disability Rights Advocate/Special Ed Advocate (a
layperson trained in special education/ADA law and rights-this person has no
legal standing in court but can definitely support you in dealing with the
school. ) Most districts start to cave when an advocate walks in with the
parent. Or, if there is one in your area and you can afford it, a Special Ed
lawyer. (Which may be what it would take to get a school district to pay for
a private residential placement).


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: ColoradoSkiBum
:

Oops, maybe I didn't already *say* all that here, getting my newsgroups
mixed up. I posted The Whole Story in a couple of other newsgroups but

not
in this one. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old October 4th 03, 01:56 PM
Sophie
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: What you need to understand is that this is a child that was having

very
serious
: problems. His early childhood was tumultuous and he has some

behavioural
issues
: (ADHD, ODD) as well.

What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD.


Oppositional [something - Defiance, maybe?] Disorder.




My neighbor's 6 yr old son has this. As well as ADHD and something else
that causes him to have hallucinations. I'm sure it's different for
everyone but in this boy the ODD comes out as *extremely* bad tantrums, very
violent ones. He's on a time release Ritalin for the ADHD (it lasts about
10-12 hrs), an anti-psychotic for the hallucinations, and an epilepsy drug
for the ODD.

Don't know if that helps or not.



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Old October 4th 03, 03:10 PM
Tracy Cramer
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:35:34 -0600, "ColoradoSkiBum"
wrote:

What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD.


As others have been kind enough to tell you, it's Oppositional Defiant Disorder.
Typically when you have ADD, there are other disorders that go along with it,
such as ODD or OCD.

The main reason that I think DS has ODD is that he could argue with me for
*hours*. I've never seen a child with that kind of stamina. Usually, it would go
like this:

DS: Can I (whatever)?
Mom: No, because (reason).
DS: Please? Please? Come on, just let me (whatever).
Mom: I said no. I mean no. Stop asking.

From there, he would go from pleading to being very angry at me and saying some
nasty things. I would stop responding to him after a few minutes and he would
actually *follow* me around, getting in my face, and continue to harangue me
about whatever it was he wanted. It was not unusual for him to continue this for
TWO HOURS. There were a couple of times he actually had me in tears because I
was so frustrated over his behaviour.

I wasn't aware that you *could* have a child "committed" to the juvenile
corrections system. How does that work? Not that I'm interested in that
for my own SS, I think that would be the wrong thing, but I'm definitely
curious about this.


In our case, DS committed a crime, so the police and then the courts were
involved. We did not have to get them involved; we could have handled it
ourselves, but we felt it was important to send a message to DS that this
behaviour would not be tolerated anymore.

I'm not sure whether you can have a child committed like this without going
through the legal channels as we did. I will tell you, though, that until we got
him a guardian ad litem, we didn't have any idea that this was possible. We did
it this way because we felt that by going through the intensive programs he's in
now, he'd have a far better chance of changing his behaviour for good.



Tracy
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and they're still getting in!
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  #66  
Old October 4th 03, 03:55 PM
mbajema
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"google it!" wrote in message om...
She wants to pack her step-son off to military school so she and the boy's
father can continue to enjoy their swinger lifestyle. Poor kid.


EXACTLY!!!

Mary


"ColoradoSkiBum" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

We're searching for military schools for a middle-school boy. I don't

know
where to start with this, what to look for or what to expect. Any help

out
there? We live in Colorado, in case you couldn't tell from the sig. :-)
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  #67  
Old October 4th 03, 04:02 PM
mbajema
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"T.R.H" wrote in message news:[email protected]
dejablues wrote:
It's the same person, unless they can spoof the email and nntp posting host
together. One can't expect to post personal stuff on Usenet and *only* have
it reach your *intended* audience. This person was flaky enough(or
thoughtless, or just didn't care) to post enough personal info so that
even the casual observer could identify them in RL. If the OP thinks that
these issues are unrelated, their head is way too deep in the sand. If they
want useful answers, they have to be forthcoming.



Like I said, WHO gives a RATS ASS!!


It has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, dont you GET IT???

You'd likely be surprised at some of the things my wife says in the
throes of passion, behind our closed bedroom door, geez, maybe I better
re-evaluate her ability regarding being a mother to our 5 kids!!


Your comparison makes absolutely no sense.


please enlighten us all on how someone talking about seuxual issues on a
sexual news group and that same someone talking about schools for their
kids on a kids newsgroup makes these issues "related"??

either that or mind your own goddamned business or discuss the original
issue in the current thread!

gimme a break!!

sheeesh



It's all relative, you obviously don't get that. With parents like
that, maybe the boy would indeed be better off living away from them.
How mortifying for that child if his parents swinging lifestyle were
found out by his peers. sigh

Mary
  #68  
Old October 4th 03, 05:14 PM
ColoradoSkiBum
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: You may want to call an IEP meeting. You don't have to wait for the
district
: to declare your son a failure-you can call a meeting and bring the issue
to
: the front sooner. If schools in your area are like the district I work
for,
: there is a real reluctance to increase services, because it increases
: expense. In fact, it's gone the other way in the last few years. I have
: several children this year who were in at least partially self-contained
: positions last year, who are now in the regular class, sink or swim,
: regardless of their behaviors. We can see it isn't working-but, the
district
: will not allow them to be reassigned.
:
: If you do this, get documentation from EACH teacher as to his behaviors.
: Often teachers avoid referring special education students to the office
: because we KNOW nothing will happen, so why bother? But that documentation
: is a potent tool when it comes to getting a child a better placement.

Fortunately that does not seem to be an issue at this school. On Wednesday
(the last time he was suspended) we met with his SIED teacher, one of her
aides, the school social worker and the assistant principal. I think we're
all on the same page as far as his treatment goes. They've already said
this is his last chance in this program.

Now once again I'm getting my newsgroups mixed up, can't remember what I've
posted here and what I've posted in other NG's so I'm going to go ahead and
repost The Whole Story -- we're getting far away from the initial topic of
this thread anyway.
--
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Old October 4th 03, 06:52 PM
Sue
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Tracy,

I'm glad things are at least getting a little better with your son. I can't
imagine the pain your family is going through with this turmoil. I will
continue to think positive thoughts that your son continues to do so well on
the rigid schedules that he is having.

How are you and your husband doing these days? Are things still rocky, or
some better? ((((Hugs)))
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I'm Just a Raggedy Ann in a Barbie Doll World...

Tracy Cramer wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:54:59 -0700, "Denise"
wrote:

Its great that he can see that military school might help him, Tracy.

IIRC
he got in some fairly serious trouble, right?


Yeah, that's an understatement! For the last 18 months, he's been a guest

of the
Juvenile Corrections system, but the silver lining is that he's in several
programs that are targeted at his specific problems and he's really

working
hard. The change I've seen is incredible, so even though it's been hard,

IMHO
it's been worth it to go down this path.


I wasn't a bad kid, really,
but I do have ADHD and my daughter has Aspberger's (I find myself

thinking
that might be my actualy problem as I learn more). And Military

schooling
(AJROTC in high school) and the military (I joined the delayed enlistment
program my junior year) have helped me more than I can put into words.

The
rigid scheduling was a huge benefit. And being in AJROTC definitly

helped
with the transition from high school to military life.


This is excellent to know! DS was dx'd as ADHD and I highly suspect ODD,

but
I've also wondered about Asperger's. He also has anger issues. While it's

been
difficult having him gone, for him, it's been exactly what he needed. The
structure has allowed him to get back on track with his schoolwork (he's

back on
honor roll) and I've seen him mature quite a bit.

The schedule there is extremely rigid and he's come to understand that

this is
something that *helps* him keep himself in control and allows him to do

his best
at so many things. I think this is why military school is attractive to

him --
and the Army later. I suspect that he might be a career military man,

which I
totally support. If it means that he's going to make something of himself

and be
happy, more power to him.


Tracy
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We child proofed our home 3 years ago
and they're still getting in!
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  #70  
Old October 5th 03, 08:36 PM
dejablues
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Exactly. Not to mention the time taken away from the family to expend on
such activities.

"mbajema" wrote in message
m...
It's all relative, you obviously don't get that. With parents like
that, maybe the boy would indeed be better off living away from them.
How mortifying for that child if his parents swinging lifestyle were
found out by his peers. sigh

Mary



 




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