Does anybody have any useful advice on how to collect a child support debt?

"Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in message
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Gini wrote:
"Paula" wrote
"Gini" wrote:

On Oct 12, 9:47 am, "Gini" wrote:
This group is for NCPs who have
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That's what Google provides as the description of the group.
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Heh, I know. I was just entertaining you. Google did not create
alt.child-support (which has been around since at least 1990--long before
Google
Actually, that description has been around for years as well and its been
incorrect for years (which is very common for unchartered newsgroups such
as
acs).
Maybe someday someone will figure out how to get it corrected. I am not a
"founding member." I've only been here since 1997, but I am one of the
longest surviving members. FYI, here's a link to the first postings to
alt.child-support, "certifying" that it *is* and always has been
pertaining
to child support issues from the perspective of noncustodial parents:

http://tinyurl.com/2xp4lt

Well, if that is the case, then you could have pointed that out in a
mature
manner, instead of going all psycho about it. Since you like to be bossy
(about something you do not own), and feel you can express your views as
you
see fit, be a grown-up and extend that courtesy to others.

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I also have been following this group for many, many years. My
impression is that it was started by a woman in Texas called Cici Clovis,
who died several years ago. I don't think her intention was to reflect only
the perspective of noncustodial "parents" (i.e. fathers). Cici herself had
custody of her children, although she was much more able than most custodial
mothers to see the point of view of fathers who had to pay child support.

From my point of view, one of the major advantages of this news group is
that it provides a forum in which the father's perspective can be heard.
That perspective certainly is NEVER heard in the mainstream U.S. media. For
a recent example of how one-sided is the typical stuff published in the
mainstream media, see
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1.
Not a word there about how most "deadbeat dads" are themselves impoverished,
about how there are indications that "child support" is a significant
incentive for mothers to create fatherless families, or about the fact that
the vast majority of fatherless families are the result of unilateral
decisions made by mothers.

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"Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in message
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DB wrote:
"Paula" wrote in

Show me one father that doesn't want involvement with their child?

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And the difference in your definitions are?

A Father wantsto be with his children, he doesn't need laws to enforce
this!!!!!!

I think you mean any dad that wants to be with their children doesn't
need
a
court order, and that is true. We are talking about men who have
fathered
children.

That's the problem, Illiana. We are NOT just talking about men who have
provided the sperm and want nothing to do with the child. We are talking
about the whole gamut--from the true dedbeats, to those who desperately
want
to be in their children's live (and not just as walking wallets). All are
lumped together in this system.

The mother teaches her son to be an absent "child support" paying parent,
and she teaches her daughter to be a "child support" collecting parent that
prohibits her child to be raised by her father. And then people wonder why
this has become a generational epidemic............


Any man can be a father, it doesn't take much to have sex, and
procreate, but not all of them can be dads. I know you have heard that,
but
it is the truth.
My dad was a great man, and family came first, even after he and my mum
split.
My mom had a child support order, and my dad didn't get mad, in fact he
paid
his child support AND provided my siblings and me with the extras. My
mum
did
work, and her earnings went for rent, food, and other bills. She didn't
have
any habits and we always came first.

How long ago was this? Things have changed in the last years.

My mum put those child support checks in the bank, and when we were
adults
she took the money, split it three ways, and gave it to us to start our
own
lives.
Maybe you were done wrong, but your experience is not everybody's, same
as
mine.

You need to accept, then, that the people on this forum have had extremely
negative experiences with the child support system. Really read what some
of them have to say, and get to know the dark side of the system that
served
you and your mother so well.

A dad is going to pay the child support because he loves his kids, and
is
willing to swallow some of his pride.

And if he really does not have the money If he pays every penny he can,
but the arrearages continue to grow until he is committing a felony just
for
not having the money? What then, Illiana? Does it mean he does not love
his children just because his income took a downward turn and he was not
granted a modification when he asked for one?

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Illiana via FamilyKB.com wrote:
animal05 wrote:
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What does ROTFL stand for. I am not good with acronyms because,as my
sister
put it, I am not web savy.
She was being polite, she should have just bluntly said.....you aren't
very bright
ROTFL stands for what?


Random Orange Toads Flying Low

I thought it stood for: Really Odd Turkeys Feeling Lame.



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"Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in message
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Gini wrote:
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Just comply with the law and there isn't a problem, because there
are a
lot
worse things out there than child support. You are never going to
change
your
opinion, just as I will not change mine. Why argue, and be nasty?
I will take the high road, and ignore your comments.
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ROTFL. Damn, I need to take you of my killfile. You're just too
much
fun.
What does ROTFL stand for. I am not good with acronyms because,as my
sister
put it, I am not web savy.

It means Rolling On The Floor Laughing. Why don't you ask Gini
directly about her experiences with the system? You really would
learn
a lot. Seriously.
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Ah, c'mon--Send her to Google archives. I don't wanna have to repeat
all
that stuff :-)

chuckle If only she knew that it isn't just a disagreement between
the
CP and the NCP--that whole families are affected--and
sometimes--devastated by the system. It seems that she still thinks
about
the whole thing in terms of right and wrong, and can't conceive of
anything beyond that.

A lot of their comments have been based on their obvious familiarity
with
the criminal justice system. They don't seem to understand the civil
law
system works differently and Family Law has its own sub-set of legal
rules
that apply nowhere else.

Or that the "laws" in the family court system are very flexible and can be
used to do exactly what the judge wants done with them.

Hence the unconstitutinal concept of case law.

Illiana via FamilyKB.com wrote:
Sarah Gray wrote:
"Paula" wrote
"Gini" wrote:
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What makes you entitled to money from you ex, and not other single parents
get it from theirs?
uh, I know where my Ex is. I have his address and phone number, and I
talk with him a few times a week. Other single parents are entitled to a
*fair and reasonable* amount of child support, and so far as I have
seen, the other CP who have posted here want more and more money to
support their *lifestyles*, not their kids.

uh, I know where my Ex is. I have his address and phone number, and I
talk with him a few times a week.

Sure you do.


At least I don't have to share a bathroom with him.

Other single parents are entitled to a *fair and reasonable* amount of child support

How would you know what is fair? Let me guess, you know everybody's business.


and so far as I have seen, the other CP who have posted here want more and more money to
support their *lifestyles*, not their kids.

Where did you see that the CP's are asking for more and more money, other
than from the other posters who are not happy with the system? How do you
know what thier lifestyles consist of, unless you are in everybody's business?




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"Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in message
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Gini wrote:
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Just comply with the law and there isn't a problem, because there
are a
lot
worse things out there than child support. You are never going to
change
your
opinion, just as I will not change mine. Why argue, and be nasty?
I will take the high road, and ignore your comments.
===
ROTFL. Damn, I need to take you of my killfile. You're just too much
fun.
What does ROTFL stand for. I am not good with acronyms because,as my
sister
put it, I am not web savy.

It means Rolling On The Floor Laughing. Why don't you ask Gini
directly
about her experiences with the system? You really would learn a lot.
Seriously.
==
Ah, c'mon--Send her to Google archives. I don't wanna have to repeat
all
that stuff :-)

chuckle If only she knew that it isn't just a disagreement between
the
CP and the NCP--that whole families are affected--and
sometimes--devastated by the system. It seems that she still thinks
about
the whole thing in terms of right and wrong, and can't conceive of
anything beyond that.
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That is the systemic attitude. Most of these people can't conceive that
there is "another side" of this issue
because it has been so diluted with the "best interest of the child" ruse.

And a rather large part of society still buys it, hook, line, & sinker!
To hold something as true because a majority of people believe it true is to
be a fool.

"Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in message
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DB wrote:
"Paula" wrote in

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A Father wantsto be with his children, he doesn't need laws to enforce
this!!!!!!

If that is the case, then why would it even be an issue to pay
child-support.

It's the amount of C$, plus daycare, plus health insurance, it's alot
more
than you would normally spend on a child!
I could just see my Dad now roll in his grave if he saw how much money
the
government is FORCING me to pay for one kid.
Funny how our whole family got by on less than what most of these fathers
are FORCED to pay these days!
Then again,it's the governemnt running this program and we can see how
successful they have been at running the country.

If the Non custodial parent (because there are some women that don't
support
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would withhold support for spite, just as a custodial parent may
withhold
access to the child.

yea, but you don't throw people in prison over child issues!

I personally think that when two people split up they should get an
order
of
support and a court order for visitation right away, because you never
know
how another person may act in an attempt to get at another.

Yes Comrade, that's called communism where the government controls
everything.

That is your situation, and the guidelines in your state. What is it like
in
the other 49 states?
You nor I know about those situations, because they are not the same as
ours.
Let
S just agree to disagree, but in a healthy way. Debates are good, but some
of
the things on here have nothing to do with child support. Let's not talk
about rape being the fault of the woman, because that is uncalled for. If
those who said that had ever seen a real rape victim, they would never use

that phrase again.

Nor would someone who had ever seen a real forced paternity victim say that
the birth of a child is the fault of the father.


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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

chuckle How many caseworkers to you think know what is really going
on?

ZERO or less depending on whether they were former welfare queens hired to
get them off of public money benefits or just some applicants off the
street who follow the computerized CS administration business process
computer prompts on what to do when.

They probably have their own lingo for clients and payers, it's all about
profit for the agency!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LOC58c-Ibdk

"Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in message
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animal05 wrote:
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What does ROTFL stand for. I am not good with acronyms because,as my
sister
put it, I am not web savy.

She was being polite, she should have just bluntly said.....you aren't
very bright
ROTFL stands for what?

Reaching Out To Freaking Loonies.

teachrmama wrote:
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sister
put it, I am not web savy.

It means Rolling On The Floor Laughing. Why don't you ask Gini directly
about her experiences with the system? You really would learn a lot.
Seriously.

What experience has she had if her and her ex didn't have need to go through
the system? She may have experience from somebody else’s situation, but not
from her own personal experience.
My mother didn’t benefit from child support, just my siblings and myself when
we graduated from high school.

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