US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.

HCN ... what a silly criticism.

Head Quack Stephen Barrett has written his PRO CHEMICAL INDUSTRY, PRO
VACCINATION propaganda for ACSH ... long and proudly funded by the
Pharma / Chemo Industries ... he is so dishonest, he NEVER reveals
that his funders are paid by them.

Ms Pringle has provided an excellent overview of the NON INDUSTRY
publications on this matter ... are you suggesting that anyone who
doesn't goose step to the Chemo Industry Bandwagon should not have a
voice?

You and Probert seem to share the Magical Thinking that those injured
from vaccinations should just die and their families should just
accept their fate ... and not bother the poor Vac Industry with any
compensation.

Since being disbarred ... Probert apparently is now lobbying for the
PRO VACCINATION lawyers and in his infinite Con Med idiocy ... is
going to continue to attack anyone who supports the injured and their
rights.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stProbert.html
Disbarred for good reason & Lies about his Disbarment while flacking
for Healthfrauds and Quacks

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm

HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest in
vaccines.



"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
HCN ... what a silly criticism.

Head Quack Stephen Barrett has written his PRO CHEMICAL INDUSTRY, PRO
VACCINATION propaganda for ACSH ... long and proudly funded by the
Pharma / Chemo Industries ... he is so dishonest, he NEVER reveals
that his funders are paid by them.

Ms Pringle has provided an excellent overview of the NON INDUSTRY
publications on this matter ... are you suggesting that anyone who
doesn't goose step to the Chemo Industry Bandwagon should not have a
voice?

You and Probert seem to share the Magical Thinking that those injured
from vaccinations should just die and their families should just
accept their fate ... and not bother the poor Vac Industry with any
compensation.

Since being disbarred ... Probert apparently is now lobbying for the
PRO VACCINATION lawyers and in his infinite Con Med idiocy ... is
going to continue to attack anyone who supports the injured and their
rights.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stProbert.html
Disbarred for good reason & Lies about his Disbarment while flacking
for Healthfrauds and Quacks

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
t...
HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest in
vaccines.

Neither the CDC nor the FDA manufacture or sell vaccines. Just how do you
define "vested interest," Jan?
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

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http://www.acahf.org.au
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http://www.csicop.org/

"Jan Drew" wrote:

HCN /akaTDN

Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.

Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:

HCN /akaTDN

I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I am
not her.


Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.

Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Rich" wrote:

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
t...
HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest
in vaccines.

Neither the CDC nor the FDA manufacture or sell vaccines. Just how do you
define "vested interest," Jan?
--


--Rich

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....8a86d11?hl=en&

and address the vested interest of the CDC and FDA and also the waviers,
Aside form waving the words "vested interest" around, have you any shred
of proof that anyone is on the take?


Sorry, we aren't talking about *ME*.


If the FDA were the lapdog of the pharmaceutical industry, as you claim,
why did they refuse ImClone's application?


DIVERSION SUPREME!!!

1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC
advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies
that
make vaccines.


(could this possible have a bearing on HOW they vote,,,,,TDN??)


2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents
for
vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee.


( could this be a factor is HOW they vote TDN??)


3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's
advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of
interest that were waived.


( Is this honest, TDN??)


4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory
committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the
vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members
who
all voted to license the product.


( do you wonder why, TDN??)


5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every
member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full
participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member,
whether
they have a financial stake in the decision or not.


(Same questions, TDN)


6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members
- no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the
childhood
immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member.


(Should parents be a part of this commitee, TDN??)


These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this
include:


Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and
became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee
as
well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines,
valued
at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr.
Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on
eight
different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including
recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children
program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest
himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock.


(WHY do you suppose he voted YES to all eight, TDN??)


At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he
holds
a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to
develop
this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical
industry
to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr.
Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three
rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the
rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program.


( piad by pharmaceurical industry,, does this tell you anything, TDN??)


Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory
committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full
waiver.


(WHY was she granted a full waiver, TDN??)


Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on
behalf
of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's
committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including
having
solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center.
As
a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the
opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts
to
be offering his personal opinion as well.


( Any question for this, TDN??)


Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000
of
stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the
board
of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of
stock.
This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was
granted.
To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because
he
holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine.


( well, well, why was he excluded, TDN??)


How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work
of
the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind
closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full
committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same
issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled
to
learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the
working
group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical
companies
developing rotavirus vaccines.


(see anything appalling there, TDN??)


How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug
Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory
committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines?


( can you answer this, TDN??)


How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the
number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers
must
be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of
vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving
simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years.
We
found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually
on
the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can
one
person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years?


(And this, TDN??)


It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services
has
become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on
conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose,
we
need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be
held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine
what needs to be done.


(Is the law to loose, TEN??)


Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a
government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State
governments
have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to
admission
to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the
recommendations
of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines.


I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of
industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine
learned
that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial
ties
to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most
stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent
editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the
industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers
can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and
remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the
part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This
attitude
can subtly influence scientific judgment."


Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to
self-interest than other people?


(please answer this, TDN!)


Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of
vaccine
development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and
Human
Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity
of
this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally
without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all
vaccine-related panels.


(is intregrity important, TDN??)


No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding
vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the
discussion
or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings
that
vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have
made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule
had
as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has
been
polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if
the
individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in
this
country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally
from
the decisions of the committees they served on.


(do you agree, TDN??)


Please answer EACH question.


Thanks,


Jan


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....77339e6?hl=en&

Bravo!


(sorry for joining the rah! brigade, but this deserves a standing ovation,
i.m.o.)


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b7c38c6?hl=en&

"Peter Bowditch" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....8a86d11?hl=en&

and address the vested interest of the CDC and FDA and also the waviers,
Aside form waving the words "vested interest" around, have you any shred
of proof that anyone is on the take?


Sorry, we aren't talking about *ME*.


If the FDA were the lapdog of the pharmaceutical industry, as you claim,
why did they refuse ImClone's application?


DIVERSION SUPREME!!!

1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC
advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies
that
make vaccines.


(could this possible have a bearing on HOW they vote,,,,,TDN??)


2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents
for
vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee.


( could this be a factor is HOW they vote TDN??)


3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's
advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of
interest that were waived.


( Is this honest, TDN??)


4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory
committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the
vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members
who
all voted to license the product.


( do you wonder why, TDN??)


5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every
member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full
participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member,
whether
they have a financial stake in the decision or not.


(Same questions, TDN)


6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members
- no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the
childhood
immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member.


(Should parents be a part of this commitee, TDN??)


These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this
include:


Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and
became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee
as
well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines,
valued
at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr.
Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on
eight
different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including
recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children
program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest
himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock.


(WHY do you suppose he voted YES to all eight, TDN??)


At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he
holds
a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to
develop
this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical
industry
to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr.
Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three
rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the
rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program.


( piad by pharmaceurical industry,, does this tell you anything, TDN??)


Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory
committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full
waiver.


(WHY was she granted a full waiver, TDN??)


Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on
behalf
of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's
committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including
having
solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center.
As
a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the
opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts
to
be offering his personal opinion as well.


( Any question for this, TDN??)


Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000
of
stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the
board
of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of
stock.
This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was
granted.
To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because
he
holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine.


( well, well, why was he excluded, TDN??)


How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work
of
the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind
closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full
committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same
issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled
to
learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the
working
group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical
companies
developing rotavirus vaccines.


(see anything appalling there, TDN??)


How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug
Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory
committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines?


( can you answer this, TDN??)


How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the
number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers
must
be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of
vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving
simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years.
We
found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually
on
the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can
one
person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years?


(And this, TDN??)


It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services
has
become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on
conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose,
we
need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be
held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine
what needs to be done.


(Is the law to loose, TEN??)


Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a
government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State
governments
have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to
admission
to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the
recommendations
of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines.


I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of
industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine
learned
that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial
ties
to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most
stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent
editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the
industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers
can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and
remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the
part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This
attitude
can subtly influence scientific judgment."


Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to
self-interest than other people?


(please answer this, TDN!)


Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of
vaccine
development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and
Human
Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity
of
this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally
without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all
vaccine-related panels.


(is intregrity important, TDN??)


No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding
vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the
discussion
or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings
that
vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have
made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule
had
as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has
been
polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if
the
individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in
this
country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally
from
the decisions of the committees they served on.


(do you agree, TDN??)


Please answer EACH question.


Thanks,


Jan


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....77339e6?hl=en&

Bravo!


(sorry for joining the rah! brigade, but this deserves a standing ovation,
i.m.o.)


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b7c38c6?hl=en&



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"HCN" wrote in message
. ..

"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:

HCN /akaTDN

I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I
am not her.


Subject: Silicon Valley Chemcials From: "D. C. Sessions"
Date: 7/30/02 9:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

DEBBEE1023 wrote:


I am asking DC, as he has stated that he is an Engineer in his quote. I
do
not
recall asking you the question, because I don't recall you ever stating
you were an Engineer...


I did? Care to point out where?



Page after page, but here is just a few, who do you ask?? Think people are
too
stupid to look it up?

Jan


Thread:


Medical Control, Medical Corruption


In article ,"D. C. & M. V. Sessions"



wrote:
Now the question is, which is overpaid relative to the other? As an
engineer,


I (dcs) have as much bias as you're likely to find, but there's no way I can
compare the people I work with to the ones who have taken care of my family.

From: D. C. Sessions )
Subject: Jeff's run with the fox and hunt with the hounds.
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, uk.people.health
Date: 2001-03-04 09:30:18 PST



I'm an engineer, Jim, not a doctor! Seriously, the scientific paradigm has
had


a somewhat longer run in other fields, notably physics and chemistry.I'll
grant
that the application to the practical arts such as engineering and medicine
has
really only taken off int his cent
From: D. C. Sessions )
Subject: SOME SHOTS MAY BE BAD FOR YOUR CHILDREN ~ WashTimes
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, misc.kids, health
Date: 2000-11-15 22:19:26 PST


Ileana wrote:
and you're supposed to be one of the "scientists" ? ? ? Me? Nyah.
Engineer. Patents, publications, pushingelectrons and holes


around. Wires and stuff. Logic,of course, is bread and butter in my field.

From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions )
Subject: Ritalin class action suit
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, misc.health.alternative
Date: 2000/05/30



It's been an interesting couple of weeks. (Disclaimer for those who don't


know me -- I'm an electronic engineer and volunteer emergency care tech.)
Two
weeks ago a customer, having trouble, asked to have an engineer come visit
to
troubleshoot. Common enough, but this one s in Europe.

From: D. C. Sessions )
Subject: Cataracts
Newsgroups: sci.med, sci.med.nutrition, misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-11-06 08:36:03 PST



Me, I don't pretend to be a scientist (never mind the business card.)I be
an


engineer, and engineers are *professional* pessimists: it'sour job to deal
with
Murphy's Law. An engineer _must_ be convinced that there is a flaw in the
works somewhere, if she can only find it.Sometimes we fail to find it and
the
silly thing ships anyway.

From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions )
Subject: Autism and Mercury
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, misc.health.alternative
Date: 2000/01/22



Sounds pretty safe to me (and I'm an engineer, with the usual engineer's


preference for belts, suspenders, and velcro
From: steve_H )
Subject: microkernels, tannebaum, torvalds -- 'splain me please
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 2002-07-18 06:54:24 PST

"D. C. Sessions" wrote in message


... mlw wrote: "D. C.
Sessions"


wrote: | An engineer is someone who will spend three hours
|


| figuring out how to do a two-hour job in one hour.


| Which, by the way, is a good investment in time if you have to do
it
twice.


You might want to check your math.he is just rounding things up and down,


remember, he is an engineer nota scientist, so he does not have to be exact
with his calculations

Search Result 12
From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions )
Subject: Recommendations about vaccines
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health
Date: 2000/05/04


So who's a physician? I are an engineer


From: D. C. Sessions )
Subject: Linux: where is the savings ?
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 2001-11-24 16:37:33 PST



For all my griping about the idiotic IT policies of my employer,they have
been


by far the best I have had in almost thirty years as an enginer

From: D. C. Sessions )
Subject: CDC 'action' on breastfeeding
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, misc.kids.pregnancy, sci.med


Date: 2002-07-07 13:06:53 PST



The controls engineer in me wincesat the thought of a system like this, BTW


From: D. C. Sessions )
Subject: The placebo effect and muscle strength
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternativ
Date: 2001-07-16 00:40:07 PST


On the contrary, I *can* predict the results of conventional allergy


treatmentat least as well as I can predict the results of semiconductor
fabricationprocesses, or any other process subject to uncontrolled (often
truly
random,in the quantum mechanics sense) influences.

Search Result 4
From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions )
Subject: scientists don't know how vaccines work
Newsgroups: sci.med, misc.kids.health, misc.health.aids
Date: 2000-08-28 07:16:11 PST



And yet -- semiconductor devices still work pretty well. (Andspeaking from


immediate personal experience, figuring out what's wrong with a design can
be a
bear thanks to minimal observability and controllability.)


Please -- I don't want to ask you to trust me on this, but if you want
toargue


it you really should learn a bit about semiconductor reliability physics.My
CV
on this is scattered around the Net (including the USPTO) if youwonder if I
know whereof I write.--

From: D. C. Sessions )
Subject: winux vs lindows
Newsgroups: alt.linux.sux, comp.os.linux.advocacy



My employer (arather large semiconductor company) has moved the reference


DAplatform where all of the integration work is done from HP-UX (still the
backbone of the working DA set)

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b1d2ffb?hl=en&

==

Subject: Silicon Valley Chemcials From: Date: 8/2/02
5:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id:


"Tsu Dho Nimh" wrote in message .


Gail Chandler, a spokeswoman for TI, said that while TI and Raytheon
acknowledged environmental concerns at their site, most of the harm to
the Eagle site was caused by other businesses. She said the settlement
was not an admission that TI created the problem for Eagle.


Well of course the company-paid spokeslady would say that . . . fact is,
though, the jury came back with a verdict against TI and with a $21 million
penalty. BTW, I can't imagine what other business would have left pollution
unique to semiconductor manufacturing on the property . . . Sounds like
you're being an apologist for TI . . . --Tock



You got it, but there is more. TDN is a friend of DC Sessions,,,,,,,and a
brainwashed member of organized medicine. She was busy defending those who
have
vested interests in vaccines, and are members of the CDC and FDA.

That's A OK,,,,,,,,,,but, watch her attack any MLM or anyone who
sells,,,,,,,,,,
==

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....28ce8f3?hl=en&

wrote:
BTW, I can't imagine what other business would have left pollution
unique to semiconductor manufacturing on the property . . .

Solvents are NOT unique to semiconductor manufacturing ... they
are used in painting, dry cleaning, furniture stripping, etc.


Tsu Dho Nimh
==

Mon, Sep 22 2003 7:57 am
Email: Tsu Dho Nimh





Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.

Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
--
Peter Bowditch

"HCN" wrote in message
. ..

Reposting S P A M.

That she Hates...................................



"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:

HCN /akaTDN

I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I
am not her.


Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.

Absurd. I have NO knowledge of the number of kids she has.

Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
--
Peter Bowditch

I have knowledge of YOUR famous remarks!

"Jan Drew" wrote:


"HCN" wrote in message
...

Reposting S P A M.

That she Hates...................................



"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:

HCN /akaTDN

I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I
am not her.


Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.

Absurd. I have NO knowledge of the number of kids she has.

Did you notice the word "another" in my first question? That means
that I was talking about SOMEONE ELSE.

Did I mention the number of children that HCN has, Jan? No, I didn't.
I was referring to the way that you have accused SOMEONE ELSE of using
a false name and part of the evidence was that the SOMEONE ELSE had
four children, just like the person whom you accused her of being.

I realise that English is difficult for you, but even you should have
been able to detect the allusion in what I wrote.


Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
--
Peter Bowditch

I have knowledge of YOUR famous remarks!

Is that supposed to be an answer to my question?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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