Who has the ultimate right to choose?

"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0700, "teachrmama"
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"Gini" wrote in message
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"elizabeth" wrote
On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
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Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless
asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.

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G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman?
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.......................... no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

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And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

And more research . . ..
Intraoperative complications such as:

Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem
during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a
rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures.

Blood transfusions

A life-threatening event

Death

Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively,
as well as:

Febrile morbidity

Rehospitalization

Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal
ligation surgery.
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You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely
rare)
do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite
entertaining
tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....?

With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want
children,
maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely
chastity is still a choice!



Chastity is indeed a choice. But not widely popular, taking your self
out for movie, dinner and dancing. Course there are always other
women.

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You're wrong. I've had gone through a tubal ligation surgery and there was
no complications at all. Try again.

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless
asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.

--
Ray Fischer



Um... I have had a tubal ligation and I'm still alive!

"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.

Now, now, Ray. elizabeth is painting the typical "Woman=Victim" picture.
You don't want to go and ruin her artwork, do you? She's been
fingerpainting all day!!


ElizaBeth is just making stories up. I've had gone through a tubal ligation
surgery and I'm still alive.

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"teachrmama" wrote in

Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


Many who are 35 and older and should know better too!

Make that a second stupid man who thinks that women can get pregnant by
themselves. Men are in it too and to say that men are not responsible for
pregnancies are like saying that Moon are made of blue cheese.

Snap out of it! Men and women are both equally responsible for this!

Then why are men and women not held equally responsible by the system?

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"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:56:02 -0700, "teachrmama"
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"elizabeth" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:

And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women
who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

OK, we're using Gina Knows Proof. The only cases that matter are the
women Gina Knows.

I know of women who have died and have had very, very serious
complications from pills and IUDs.

Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very serious
complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!!

Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.


Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


No, YOU're the one who're the fool because you think that women are only
responsible for pregnancies, not men.

Guess what? Either you flunked the Sex Education classes or you just
don't give a damn about women.

On the contrary, I was responding to the fool who keeps emphasizing that MEN
who don't want to be fathers should take all the steps to keep that from
happening. Well, WOMEN who don't want to PAY ALL EXPENSES should NOT get
pregnant, because there is NO GUARANTEE that they will be able to force a
man to help pay! Just because the system is SET UP to make sure women get
their hands on the man's money does NOT mean that the system will come
through for the woman, and she will HAVE TO be able to support her own
child. COULDA, SHOULDA doesn't always make dreams come true. So WOMEN who
do not want to take the *chance* of raising a child alone should KEEP THEIR
PANTIES ON AND THEIR LEGS TOGETHER! Why is that so hard to understand?


If there are no men, then there will be no unwanted pregnancies.

If the panties were kept on and the legs kept together, there would be no
unwanted pregnancies.


Get your head out of the sand and wake up.

Get your panties back on and wake up.

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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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"Robert" wrote in message
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be
held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.



Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants to
do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision without
"the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure you
wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?

Why not make 50/50 joint custody, with each parent supporting the child
while the child is with them the norm? That would solve all problems,
right?

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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.

Now, now, Ray. elizabeth is painting the typical "Woman=Victim" picture.
You don't want to go and ruin her artwork, do you? She's been
fingerpainting all day!!


ElizaBeth is just making stories up. I've had gone through a tubal
ligation surgery and I'm still alive.

Yes, I know she is. I do not understand why any of this needs to be a man's
rights vs women's rights argument. If a child is conceived unexpectedly,
give each parent 50% custody, and let them support the child while the child
is with them. I am willing to wager that there would be far fewer
"accidental" pregnancies if easy money were not attached.

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"teachrmama" wrote in

Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


Many who are 35 and older and should know better too!

Make that a second stupid man who thinks that women can get pregnant by
themselves. Men are in it too and to say that men are not responsible
for pregnancies are like saying that Moon are made of blue cheese.

Snap out of it! Men and women are both equally responsible for this!

Then why are men and women not held equally responsible by the system?

I don't know. That's the question for the government full of men to answer.

"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:56:02 -0700, "teachrmama"
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"elizabeth" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:

And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women
who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

OK, we're using Gina Knows Proof. The only cases that matter are
the
women Gina Knows.

I know of women who have died and have had very, very serious
complications from pills and IUDs.

Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very
serious
complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!!

Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.


Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


No, YOU're the one who're the fool because you think that women are only
responsible for pregnancies, not men.

Guess what? Either you flunked the Sex Education classes or you just
don't give a damn about women.

On the contrary, I was responding to the fool who keeps emphasizing that
MEN who don't want to be fathers should take all the steps to keep that
from happening. Well, WOMEN who don't want to PAY ALL EXPENSES should
NOT get pregnant, because there is NO GUARANTEE that they will be able to
force a man to help pay! Just because the system is SET UP to make sure
women get their hands on the man's money does NOT mean that the system
will come through for the woman, and she will HAVE TO be able to support
her own child. COULDA, SHOULDA doesn't always make dreams come true. So
WOMEN who do not want to take the *chance* of raising a child alone should
KEEP THEIR PANTIES ON AND THEIR LEGS TOGETHER! Why is that so hard to
understand?


If there are no men, then there will be no unwanted pregnancies.

If the panties were kept on and the legs kept together, there would be no
unwanted pregnancies.


Get your head out of the sand and wake up.

Get your panties back on and wake up.



I always wear panties unless it's bed time and I can assure you that there
is no man in this household hahaha

"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"CafeWriter" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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"Robert" wrote in message
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should
do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be
held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.



Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants to
do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision without
"the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure you
wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?

Why not make 50/50 joint custody, with each parent supporting the child
while the child is with them the norm? That would solve all problems,
right?



What if the mother doesn't want the child to start with hm? For an example.
after the child birth, the mother would refuse to look at or hold the child.

When it is the time to leave, the mother leaves without the child.

Now what would the solution be?