PA OCY "shaped evidence" to subvert due process

Who the HECK is this Child Welfare League of America
and what kind of brain fart said they would have any
legal right to investigate agency corruption?

SLIGHT conflict of INTEREST??

Was this brain fart plan before or after the plan involving the State
Police?

How qualified are the State Police in regard to
"shaped evidence" used in court?

Isn't that a bit OUT of the skill set for the State Police?

Then again, maybe they can obtain some help from the FBI??


http://www.35wsee.com/newsarchive.cf...nth=may&view=3

Erie County Council Considers Outside Investigation of OCY

The Erie County agency charged with investigating child abuse and
neglect may soon undergo an extensive investigation itself. Erie County
Council considered a measure at its Tuesday night meeting, to fund a
$111,000 probe of the Office of Children and Youth. The Child Welfare
League of America, based in Washington, D.C., would conduct the
investigation. OCY has been under a cloud since the May, 2004 death of
14-year-old Brittany Legler, a teenager who died while in an abusive
home where she was placed by OCY. Subsequent investigations show that
school officials had repeatedly warned OCY of problems in the home.
Looking into the case has been difficult, even for an internal panel
investigating, because of privacy issues and the sensitive nature of
dealing with neglected children. The Child Welfare League's probe will
be the first one of OCY in almost 30 years. OCY handles the cases of up
to 2,200 neglected and abused kids each year. County Council will take
a final vote June 21st on whether or not to fund the investigation.
Carol Wilson Newswatch 35




http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?mor...news=fullstory

PA State Police Will Conduct Criminal Investigation of O.C.Y.

Pennsylvania State Police will conduct a criminal investigation into
former legal practices at the Erie Office of Children and Youth.
Erie County District Attorney Brad Foulk made that announcement late
Thursday afternoon, after meeting with members of law enforcement
earlier in the day.
The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases.
"It doesn't matter who you are, if you are tampering with the court
system, trying to predetermine outcomes without due process and
irrespective of the facts and the evidence," says Foulk, "you are going
to be held accountable, I don't care who you are."
Foulk says he expects the investigation to take several weeks before
any findings can be made public.

Greegor wrote:
Who the HECK is this Child Welfare League of America
and what kind of brain fart said they would have any
legal right to investigate agency corruption?

Are you losing your mind? What authority would they need?

Organizations "investigate" all kinds of things in their area of
interest. This one would be within their's.

Your line below is a corker. You would have someone NOT involved in and
interested in child welfare do an investigation? How would that work?

Who do you know that is NOT invested in child welfare in one way or another?

SLIGHT conflict of INTEREST??

Really?

A group interesting in child welfare would have a conflict of interest
investigation child protection agencies?

Please explain this logic.

Was this brain fart plan before or after the plan involving the State
Police?

You are the expert they should have consulted about this? You could tell
them right off that CPS is corrupt and all workers should be shot, is
that it, Greg?

"Child Welfare League of America
Child Welfare League of America (CWLA) is the nations oldest and largest
organization devoted entirely to the well-being of America's vulnerable
children ...
http://www.cwla.org/ "


How qualified are the State Police in regard to
"shaped evidence" used in court?

Oh, you mean that the police that serve the court under orders of the
court and the DA to find and present evidence of corruption wouldn't be
the people to send out for this question:

"The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases."

Looks like they are going to be asked to find evidence of corruption.

Isn't that a bit OUT of the skill set for the State Police?

What is the skill set for state Police, Greg?

LMAO

Then again, maybe they can obtain some help from the FBI??

No reason to. Most state police agencies are well equipped to do
investigations of this nature, and a wide range of other cases. In fact
the are most often used to investigate OTHER police agencies in the
state, city, county, etc. when there IS a suspicion of a crime.

Do you know ANYTHING other than were your belly button is?


http://www.35wsee.com/newsarchive.cf...nth=may&view=3

Erie County Council Considers Outside Investigation of OCY

This is when they turn to the state police. Unless there has been a
violation of federal law, the FBI cannot be used. They will sometimes
volunteer in cases where it's POSSIBLE there might be an interstate
crime, or federal crime, but they don't just jump into child welfare cases.

The Erie County agency charged with investigating child abuse and
neglect may soon undergo an extensive investigation itself. Erie County
Council considered a measure at its Tuesday night meeting, to fund a
$111,000 probe of the Office of Children and Youth. The Child Welfare
League of America, based in Washington, D.C., would conduct the
investigation. OCY has been under a cloud since the May, 2004 death of
14-year-old Brittany Legler, a teenager who died while in an abusive
home where she was placed by OCY. Subsequent investigations show that
school officials had repeatedly warned OCY of problems in the home.
Looking into the case has been difficult, even for an internal panel
investigating, because of privacy issues and the sensitive nature of
dealing with neglected children. The Child Welfare League's probe will
be the first one of OCY in almost 30 years. OCY handles the cases of up
to 2,200 neglected and abused kids each year. County Council will take
a final vote June 21st on whether or not to fund the investigation.
Carol Wilson Newswatch 35




http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?mor...news=fullstory

PA State Police Will Conduct Criminal Investigation of O.C.Y.

Pennsylvania State Police will conduct a criminal investigation into
former legal practices at the Erie Office of Children and Youth.
Erie County District Attorney Brad Foulk made that announcement late
Thursday afternoon, after meeting with members of law enforcement
earlier in the day.
The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases.
"It doesn't matter who you are, if you are tampering with the court
system, trying to predetermine outcomes without due process and
irrespective of the facts and the evidence," says Foulk, "you are going
to be held accountable, I don't care who you are."
Foulk says he expects the investigation to take several weeks before
any findings can be made public.


Geez, didn't you have anything else brilliant to add here?

0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Greegor wrote:
When an INDUSTRY needs to be investigated for corruption,
do we often call in an INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION to investigate it?

Yes, quite often. You are unaware of this.

What other industry would even TRY such crap?

It's not crap. "Industries" have a huge investment in keeping everyone's
house clean.

Call in the LABOR UNION to check for corrupt workers? Ha!

I did NOT asked for pointless unrelated metaphors. I asked how YOU would
handle things. Who would YOU get to do an investigation?

And we still are also talking about the State Police as well. Do you NOT
want them investigating state agencies?

The "organization" you refer to would NOT be the definitive
investigator, though they might turn over or be subpoenaed to turn over
what they find.

They are not acting at the request of the court, or law enforcement.
They simply have a large investment in CPS being run properly. Read
their mission statement, stupid.

Got a solution that's better?

Let's hear it, or your's is just another of your pointless chaotic
bellyaches.

0:-



0:- wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Who the HECK is this Child Welfare League of America
and what kind of brain fart said they would have any
legal right to investigate agency corruption?
Are you losing your mind? What authority would they need?

Organizations "investigate" all kinds of things in their area of
interest. This one would be within their's.

Your line below is a corker. You would have someone NOT involved in and
interested in child welfare do an investigation? How would that work?

Who do you know that is NOT invested in child welfare in one way or another?

SLIGHT conflict of INTEREST??

Really?

A group interesting in child welfare would have a conflict of interest
investigation child protection agencies?

Please explain this logic.

Was this brain fart plan before or after the plan involving the State
Police?
You are the expert they should have consulted about this? You could tell
them right off that CPS is corrupt and all workers should be shot, is
that it, Greg?

"Child Welfare League of America
Child Welfare League of America (CWLA) is the nations oldest and largest
organization devoted entirely to the well-being of America's vulnerable
children ...
http://www.cwla.org/ "

How qualified are the State Police in regard to
"shaped evidence" used in court?
Oh, you mean that the police that serve the court under orders of the
court and the DA to find and present evidence of corruption wouldn't be
the people to send out for this question:

"The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases."

Looks like they are going to be asked to find evidence of corruption.
Isn't that a bit OUT of the skill set for the State Police?

What is the skill set for state Police, Greg?

LMAO

Then again, maybe they can obtain some help from the FBI??
No reason to. Most state police agencies are well equipped to do
investigations of this nature, and a wide range of other cases. In fact
the are most often used to investigate OTHER police agencies in the
state, city, county, etc. when there IS a suspicion of a crime.

Do you know ANYTHING other than were your belly button is?

http://www.35wsee.com/newsarchive.cf...nth=may&view=3

Erie County Council Considers Outside Investigation of OCY
This is when they turn to the state police. Unless there has been a
violation of federal law, the FBI cannot be used. They will sometimes
volunteer in cases where it's POSSIBLE there might be an interstate
crime, or federal crime, but they don't just jump into child welfare cases.

The Erie County agency charged with investigating child abuse and
neglect may soon undergo an extensive investigation itself. Erie County
Council considered a measure at its Tuesday night meeting, to fund a
$111,000 probe of the Office of Children and Youth. The Child Welfare
League of America, based in Washington, D.C., would conduct the
investigation. OCY has been under a cloud since the May, 2004 death of
14-year-old Brittany Legler, a teenager who died while in an abusive
home where she was placed by OCY. Subsequent investigations show that
school officials had repeatedly warned OCY of problems in the home.
Looking into the case has been difficult, even for an internal panel
investigating, because of privacy issues and the sensitive nature of
dealing with neglected children. The Child Welfare League's probe will
be the first one of OCY in almost 30 years. OCY handles the cases of up
to 2,200 neglected and abused kids each year. County Council will take
a final vote June 21st on whether or not to fund the investigation.
Carol Wilson Newswatch 35




http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?mor...news=fullstory

PA State Police Will Conduct Criminal Investigation of O.C.Y.

Pennsylvania State Police will conduct a criminal investigation into
former legal practices at the Erie Office of Children and Youth.
Erie County District Attorney Brad Foulk made that announcement late
Thursday afternoon, after meeting with members of law enforcement
earlier in the day.
The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases.
"It doesn't matter who you are, if you are tampering with the court
system, trying to predetermine outcomes without due process and
irrespective of the facts and the evidence," says Foulk, "you are going
to be held accountable, I don't care who you are."
Foulk says he expects the investigation to take several weeks before
any findings can be made public.
Geez, didn't you have anything else brilliant to add here?

0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

We should know within WEEKS of the story date.
Don't hold your breath for results!


0:- wrote:
Greegor wrote:
When an INDUSTRY needs to be investigated for corruption,
do we often call in an INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION to investigate it?

Yes, quite often. You are unaware of this.

What other industry would even TRY such crap?

It's not crap. "Industries" have a huge investment in keeping everyone's
house clean.

Call in the LABOR UNION to check for corrupt workers? Ha!

I did NOT asked for pointless unrelated metaphors. I asked how YOU would
handle things. Who would YOU get to do an investigation?

And we still are also talking about the State Police as well. Do you NOT
want them investigating state agencies?

The "organization" you refer to would NOT be the definitive
investigator, though they might turn over or be subpoenaed to turn over
what they find.

They are not acting at the request of the court, or law enforcement.
They simply have a large investment in CPS being run properly. Read
their mission statement, stupid.

Got a solution that's better?

Let's hear it, or your's is just another of your pointless chaotic
bellyaches.

0:-



0:- wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Who the HECK is this Child Welfare League of America
and what kind of brain fart said they would have any
legal right to investigate agency corruption?
Are you losing your mind? What authority would they need?

Organizations "investigate" all kinds of things in their area of
interest. This one would be within their's.

Your line below is a corker. You would have someone NOT involved in and
interested in child welfare do an investigation? How would that work?

Who do you know that is NOT invested in child welfare in one way or another?

SLIGHT conflict of INTEREST??

Really?

A group interesting in child welfare would have a conflict of interest
investigation child protection agencies?

Please explain this logic.

Was this brain fart plan before or after the plan involving the State
Police?
You are the expert they should have consulted about this? You could tell
them right off that CPS is corrupt and all workers should be shot, is
that it, Greg?

"Child Welfare League of America
Child Welfare League of America (CWLA) is the nations oldest and largest
organization devoted entirely to the well-being of America's vulnerable
children ...
http://www.cwla.org/ "

How qualified are the State Police in regard to
"shaped evidence" used in court?
Oh, you mean that the police that serve the court under orders of the
court and the DA to find and present evidence of corruption wouldn't be
the people to send out for this question:

"The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases."

Looks like they are going to be asked to find evidence of corruption.
Isn't that a bit OUT of the skill set for the State Police?

What is the skill set for state Police, Greg?

LMAO

Then again, maybe they can obtain some help from the FBI??
No reason to. Most state police agencies are well equipped to do
investigations of this nature, and a wide range of other cases. In fact
the are most often used to investigate OTHER police agencies in the
state, city, county, etc. when there IS a suspicion of a crime.

Do you know ANYTHING other than were your belly button is?

http://www.35wsee.com/newsarchive.cf...nth=may&view=3

Erie County Council Considers Outside Investigation of OCY
This is when they turn to the state police. Unless there has been a
violation of federal law, the FBI cannot be used. They will sometimes
volunteer in cases where it's POSSIBLE there might be an interstate
crime, or federal crime, but they don't just jump into child welfare cases.

The Erie County agency charged with investigating child abuse and
neglect may soon undergo an extensive investigation itself. Erie County
Council considered a measure at its Tuesday night meeting, to fund a
$111,000 probe of the Office of Children and Youth. The Child Welfare
League of America, based in Washington, D.C., would conduct the
investigation. OCY has been under a cloud since the May, 2004 death of
14-year-old Brittany Legler, a teenager who died while in an abusive
home where she was placed by OCY. Subsequent investigations show that
school officials had repeatedly warned OCY of problems in the home.
Looking into the case has been difficult, even for an internal panel
investigating, because of privacy issues and the sensitive nature of
dealing with neglected children. The Child Welfare League's probe will
be the first one of OCY in almost 30 years. OCY handles the cases of up
to 2,200 neglected and abused kids each year. County Council will take
a final vote June 21st on whether or not to fund the investigation.
Carol Wilson Newswatch 35




http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?mor...news=fullstory

PA State Police Will Conduct Criminal Investigation of O.C.Y.

Pennsylvania State Police will conduct a criminal investigation into
former legal practices at the Erie Office of Children and Youth.
Erie County District Attorney Brad Foulk made that announcement late
Thursday afternoon, after meeting with members of law enforcement
earlier in the day.
The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases.
"It doesn't matter who you are, if you are tampering with the court
system, trying to predetermine outcomes without due process and
irrespective of the facts and the evidence," says Foulk, "you are going
to be held accountable, I don't care who you are."
Foulk says he expects the investigation to take several weeks before
any findings can be made public.
Geez, didn't you have anything else brilliant to add here?

0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Greegor wrote:
We should know within WEEKS of the story date.
Don't hold your breath for results!

You seem to have missed this, and I won't hold my breath for an answer:

"Got a solution that's better?

Let's hear it, or your's is just another of your pointless chaotic
bellyaches."

In other words, stupid, who would YOU have investigate?

Don't rush. We know you will have a full report back to us when you've
had time to study this in depth.

0:-





0:- wrote:
Greegor wrote:
When an INDUSTRY needs to be investigated for corruption,
do we often call in an INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION to investigate it?
Yes, quite often. You are unaware of this.
What other industry would even TRY such crap?
It's not crap. "Industries" have a huge investment in keeping everyone's
house clean.
Call in the LABOR UNION to check for corrupt workers? Ha!

I did NOT asked for pointless unrelated metaphors. I asked how YOU would
handle things. Who would YOU get to do an investigation?

And we still are also talking about the State Police as well. Do you NOT
want them investigating state agencies?

The "organization" you refer to would NOT be the definitive
investigator, though they might turn over or be subpoenaed to turn over
what they find.

They are not acting at the request of the court, or law enforcement.
They simply have a large investment in CPS being run properly. Read
their mission statement, stupid.

Got a solution that's better?

Let's hear it, or your's is just another of your pointless chaotic
bellyaches.

0:-


0:- wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Who the HECK is this Child Welfare League of America
and what kind of brain fart said they would have any
legal right to investigate agency corruption?
Are you losing your mind? What authority would they need?

Organizations "investigate" all kinds of things in their area of
interest. This one would be within their's.

Your line below is a corker. You would have someone NOT involved in and
interested in child welfare do an investigation? How would that work?

Who do you know that is NOT invested in child welfare in one way or another?

SLIGHT conflict of INTEREST??

Really?

A group interesting in child welfare would have a conflict of interest
investigation child protection agencies?

Please explain this logic.

Was this brain fart plan before or after the plan involving the State
Police?
You are the expert they should have consulted about this? You could tell
them right off that CPS is corrupt and all workers should be shot, is
that it, Greg?

"Child Welfare League of America
Child Welfare League of America (CWLA) is the nations oldest and largest
organization devoted entirely to the well-being of America's vulnerable
children ...
http://www.cwla.org/ "

How qualified are the State Police in regard to
"shaped evidence" used in court?
Oh, you mean that the police that serve the court under orders of the
court and the DA to find and present evidence of corruption wouldn't be
the people to send out for this question:

"The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases."

Looks like they are going to be asked to find evidence of corruption.
Isn't that a bit OUT of the skill set for the State Police?

What is the skill set for state Police, Greg?

LMAO

Then again, maybe they can obtain some help from the FBI??
No reason to. Most state police agencies are well equipped to do
investigations of this nature, and a wide range of other cases. In fact
the are most often used to investigate OTHER police agencies in the
state, city, county, etc. when there IS a suspicion of a crime.

Do you know ANYTHING other than were your belly button is?

http://www.35wsee.com/newsarchive.cf...nth=may&view=3

Erie County Council Considers Outside Investigation of OCY
This is when they turn to the state police. Unless there has been a
violation of federal law, the FBI cannot be used. They will sometimes
volunteer in cases where it's POSSIBLE there might be an interstate
crime, or federal crime, but they don't just jump into child welfare cases.

The Erie County agency charged with investigating child abuse and
neglect may soon undergo an extensive investigation itself. Erie County
Council considered a measure at its Tuesday night meeting, to fund a
$111,000 probe of the Office of Children and Youth. The Child Welfare
League of America, based in Washington, D.C., would conduct the
investigation. OCY has been under a cloud since the May, 2004 death of
14-year-old Brittany Legler, a teenager who died while in an abusive
home where she was placed by OCY. Subsequent investigations show that
school officials had repeatedly warned OCY of problems in the home.
Looking into the case has been difficult, even for an internal panel
investigating, because of privacy issues and the sensitive nature of
dealing with neglected children. The Child Welfare League's probe will
be the first one of OCY in almost 30 years. OCY handles the cases of up
to 2,200 neglected and abused kids each year. County Council will take
a final vote June 21st on whether or not to fund the investigation.
Carol Wilson Newswatch 35




http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?mor...news=fullstory

PA State Police Will Conduct Criminal Investigation of O.C.Y.

Pennsylvania State Police will conduct a criminal investigation into
former legal practices at the Erie Office of Children and Youth.
Erie County District Attorney Brad Foulk made that announcement late
Thursday afternoon, after meeting with members of law enforcement
earlier in the day.
The probe will look into allegations that legal staff at O.C.Y. shaped
evidence to mislead judges into ruling against parents in child custody
cases.
"It doesn't matter who you are, if you are tampering with the court
system, trying to predetermine outcomes without due process and
irrespective of the facts and the evidence," says Foulk, "you are going
to be held accountable, I don't care who you are."
Foulk says he expects the investigation to take several weeks before
any findings can be made public.
Geez, didn't you have anything else brilliant to add here?

0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Kane wrote
In other words, stupid, who would YOU have investigate?

FBI Organized Crime or Racketeering unit

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
In other words, stupid, who would YOU have investigate?

FBI Organized Crime

Under what federal statute mandating their involvement and
jurisdiction?

or Racketeering unit

What "Racketeering unit" and why? What was involved that was
racketeering?

0:-

What was involved that was racketeering?

PA OCY "shaped evidence" to subvert due process

Come on, really, the STATE investigating itself once again?

Smells like Connecticut.

Bring in the Feds!

Greegor wrote:
What was involved that was racketeering?

PA OCY "shaped evidence" to subvert due process

Really? Could you provide some support for the claim that would
constitute "racketeering?"


Come on, really, the STATE investigating itself once again?


No, the state does not investigate itself. One depart, or more, OF a
state, investigates another.

Certainly has worked in the past.

Smells like Connecticut.

Bring in the Feds!

Show the support for your claim of racketeering please.

Your word is not proof.

Try looking up some case records. You do know how to use google, right?

But of course not when you don't WANT to find something.

0:-

Are you pretending that all government records are
available to the PUBLIC in a timely fashion?

If so I'd like to see the records on expenditures
on my own family's case.
It's only 5.5 years old.